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RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 10:38 GMT
#665
On December 16 2015 19:36 Rels wrote:
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On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

And you know very well he will listen if you say smart things, so it is without a point to ask such a question. Even if you didn't already played dozen of games with him, he did exactly that during N1.

There really isn't always a point. I know that full well from my experiences with him.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 12:04 GMT
#669
Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing.

You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum.

If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip.

The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here.

What we want here is very simple.

We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.

We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game.

So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things.

Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 13:27 GMT
#678
On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote:

We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.

So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things



Park your vote and leave please if you won't discuss other things with us.

Please and thank you
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 13:31 GMT
#680
On December 16 2015 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fucking shit i believe DarthPunk is mafia.
The reasoning for this is the following;
I am throwing out everything marv ever did as WIFOM. I can't figure out what his actions mean and the answer is WIFOM any-fucking-ways. I have overlooked his play based on marv's actions and the fact that Rels was a lynch to go for the scumteam in case Rels is NOT scum, but i actually believe Damdred is right here. I believe mafia did want me to lynch instead of pushing on their own.

The huge problem i have with DP is the following. Whenever he figures out something there is literally zero follow-up and he is just waiting for everyone else to do shit. I don't think that's townie for him. The following cases;
- On D1 he figures out marv is town --> no follow up on lynch, except "i will sheep rayn"
- On N1/D2 he figures out Greymist is town --> no clear follow up on which one of Rels/Hydra is scum
- Right here, now, he figures out Hydra is town --> no vote on Rels, WHAT OTHER OPTION HE THINKS THERE IS IF HE THINKS THE HYDRA IS TOWN?!?!?

I think he is too laid back and i don't think he is actually thinking the game as a whole and i fucking think he is scum for it.

##vote DarthPunk

I love you
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 13:41 GMT
#686
This is Lex (Art); Tina (Rso) is reading the thread again currently but I've got a few thoughts I just want to post.

Why Rels is likely town:
The way he approached his suspects later on is actually what makes me feel he's likely town. He engaged Greymist on a few inconsistencies which at first looked like scum-town to me, but looking back there was.. direction to it. Also, the way he's approached the game after Greymist turned out to be doc, which is the main point, feels really townie. At first, his unbelief towards GM being town. Then the way he treated us and being willing to go for the 1on1 whilst still trying to case us (presumably to make sure we get lynched first as he's been mislynched recently). Secondly, our appeals would give him an easy excuse to at least line up a DP lynch later or make it a bit more possible. Instead, he's still just focussed on us.

Why DP is likely scum:
This one's a bit WIFOM, but I don't think Marv would actually come back into the thread and play for someone he didn't know. Marv hates playing scum and I think DP would be one of the only people that could motivate him to play at least a little. The interactions also look like they'd make DP look good afterwards. With Rayn, Damdred and myself leaning scum on Rels and not as many people feeling the same for DP as well as the likeliness of Marv dying given his lack of motivation to play scum, it's actually a very legit play.

The biggest thing however is just the way he's approached the game the last few days. He seems way too certain on us being scum and says mafia made it too easy, then unvotes us for a single post on Rels. I don't believe he can be that certain then be that convinced so easily. I could see the lack of caring coming from a town DP that's convinced the game is solved, but I don't think it lines up with what he's actually saying. He still seems to pretend to try and figure out the game, but not put in any actual effort.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 13:47 GMT
#687
Also Rels, you took us way too seriously if you thought our read flip post was intended to mock people. We were just having a little fun. Nor did we intend on "begging" Rayn to consider DP. We simply wanted to know if it was something he was open to.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 14:06 GMT
#691
On December 16 2015 23:00 Rels wrote:
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On December 16 2015 22:47 RtaniSoul wrote:
Also Rels, you took us way too seriously if you thought our read flip post was intended to mock people. We were just having a little fun. Nor did we intend on "begging" Rayn to consider DP. We simply wanted to know if it was something he was open to.

Yep you had a little fun, and I think it is scum indicative you did that while others were playing the game.

Because neither of us have had a little fun whilst others were playing the game as town before.
[spoiler]

There is 0 content in all your recent posts except the "why is Rels town and DP scum" one, only emotions, which is exactly how a scum would act in your position.

If you honestly think this is our scum gameplan we find that very... interesting.

Even then, your explanation to "DP is scum" is:
- the worst WIFOM scumread I've ever seen. So DP is scum because marv wouldn't have played if he was scum with me ? That. Is. Not. A. Valid. Reason.

Probably is tbh.

- "I could see the lack of caring coming from a town DP that's convinced the game is solved, but I don't think it lines up with what he's actually saying. He still seems to pretend to try and figure out the game, but not put in any actual effort." But until 10 minutes ago, we were the two lynches and the two question marks, so the game was solved from his POV.

Except that he still argued with us but without any conviction and then ended up unvoting us and still not having any conviction. And then when he became a possible suspect he just voted himself and went away. Surely if he actually believed the game was solved he'd get a little bit upset/a desire to play when that ended up changing?

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RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 14:15 GMT
#693
On December 16 2015 23:14 Rels wrote:
Well if that is your scum plan it seemed to have fucking worked ain't that right ?
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On December 16 2015 23:06 RtaniSoul wrote:
Except that he still argued with us but without any conviction and then ended up unvoting us and still not having any conviction. And then when he became a possible suspect he just voted himself and went away. Surely if he actually believed the game was solved he'd get a little bit upset/a desire to play when that ended up changing?

This is the only serious thing against him.

Because it was totes predictable that Rayn would turn against DP that suddenly of course.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 14:17 GMT
#695
But Tina says I can't be an asshole to you as long as I think you're town
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 14:17 GMT
#696
On December 16 2015 23:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On December 16 2015 19:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn is smart enough to analyze the game again at LYLO. As am I (though I don't feel the need to as there is no way on earth rayn is scum)

Does anyone else see why i am legit very very confused about this post? And i think it shows a scum mindset.

Actually thought that was very weird too.
You should always re-eval at LYLO!
..except when Rayn is in LYLO because he can't be scum.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 14:24 GMT
#699
On December 16 2015 23:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Rso you are legit terrible at the game.

Artanis fuck you for not trying in vengeful you prick.

<3

In other news, this actually makes us very worried

Screw this game. Can we just lynch us so we don't have to think about it anymore?
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 14:34 GMT
#707
On December 16 2015 23:32 Rels wrote:
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On December 16 2015 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:28 Rels wrote:
rayn can you answer this:
On December 16 2015 23:04 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i understand the PoE here is very very important and my PoE says the Hydra is not mafia.

I don't understand why these 0 content 100% emotion posts made you changed your mind. I have a hard time seeing them coming from town, so I don't see how you reading them made you go "they are probably not scum".


Because the people who say they won't play or try and then still do are almost always town!

I didn't see where they recently played before this post:
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On December 16 2015 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i understand the PoE here is very very important and my PoE says the Hydra is not mafia.

Every post was just emotional BS with 0 content. What would they have done if they were scum ? Roll out and die ?

Probably concede tbh.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 14:43 GMT
#714
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 14:50 GMT
#719
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
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On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 14:53 GMT
#723
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
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On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 14:58 GMT
#726
On December 16 2015 23:57 Rels wrote:
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On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

No 'cause DP was so confirmed town before that you were not caring 'cause the game was solved; and because you see townie things from me you go "MM MAYBE DP IS NOT CONFIRMED TOWN ACTUALLY; DO WE ANALYSE HIS FILTER ? NO LETS ASK RAYN S PERMISSION FIRST AND DO EMOTIONAL POSTS FOR 2 HOURS"
You appealed to rayn who did the work for you is the most likely explanation

You do realize half the things you talk about occurred AFTER the thing we're asking right?
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 15:04 GMT
#728
On December 17 2015 00:02 Rels wrote:
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On December 16 2015 23:58 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:57 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

No 'cause DP was so confirmed town before that you were not caring 'cause the game was solved; and because you see townie things from me you go "MM MAYBE DP IS NOT CONFIRMED TOWN ACTUALLY; DO WE ANALYSE HIS FILTER ? NO LETS ASK RAYN S PERMISSION FIRST AND DO EMOTIONAL POSTS FOR 2 HOURS"
You appealed to rayn who did the work for you is the most likely explanation

You do realize half the things you talk about occurred AFTER the thing we're asking right?

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On December 16 2015 23:35 Rels wrote:
Like what his the town mindset behind these:
On December 16 2015 19:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
arsoul will you try tomorrow if we lynch me ? I wanna see how you try to get DP lynched. This is extremely tempting.

If you get lynched before us and are town there's no way DP will get lynched, no way Rayn will listen to us. We're actually thinking of really going over DP one more time before the flip just to make sure you're the scum, but there wouldn't be a point to that if Rayn is unwilling to consider him. Which means it's actually better for us to get lynched first. So, to Rayn:

If we analyze DP and end up thinking he's more likely scum than Rels, will you listen to us after we flip town?

##Unvote
##Vote RtaniSoul

On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

On December 16 2015 19:35 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

Wow you are treating me as a confirmed town now ?

No, but we are always getting lynched either today or tomorrow and we think we have more control over who flips tomorrow this way. You can back off now, we're flipping today.

On December 16 2015 19:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:36 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

And you know very well he will listen if you say smart things, so it is without a point to ask such a question. Even if you didn't already played dozen of games with him, he did exactly that during N1.

There really isn't always a point. I know that full well from my experiences with him.

On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing.

You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum.

If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip.

The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here.

What we want here is very simple.

We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.

We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game.

So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things.

Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy


0 explanation or filter analysis in 2 hours.

We were asking about your initial reply to the initial post, not everything that occurred afterwards that you couldn't have known when you first replied.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 15:10 GMT
#731
On December 16 2015 23:25 Rels wrote:
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On December 16 2015 23:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 16 2015 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really don't know what else to say at the moment.

If DP is not going to do anything further i am never switching my vote. I understand this is pretty shitty if he is town as we live on the other sides of the world and we have basically not been in the thread at all at the same time due to time zones / constraints.

But still i believe this is the most likely correct answer at this point.


it's actually fine for me to die. Just make sure you get the last lynch right.

NO ITS NOT FINE UNLESS YOU ARE SURE THAT THE LAST SCUM IS ARSOUL, AND YOU ARE SURE THAT WE WILL LYNCH THEM. COME AND PLAY THE FUCKING GAME


what is this rels?
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
December 16 2015 15:22 GMT
#735
On December 17 2015 00:16 Rels wrote:
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On December 17 2015 00:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:02 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:58 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:57 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

No 'cause DP was so confirmed town before that you were not caring 'cause the game was solved; and because you see townie things from me you go "MM MAYBE DP IS NOT CONFIRMED TOWN ACTUALLY; DO WE ANALYSE HIS FILTER ? NO LETS ASK RAYN S PERMISSION FIRST AND DO EMOTIONAL POSTS FOR 2 HOURS"
You appealed to rayn who did the work for you is the most likely explanation

You do realize half the things you talk about occurred AFTER the thing we're asking right?

On December 16 2015 23:35 Rels wrote:
Like what his the town mindset behind these:
On December 16 2015 19:12 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:
arsoul will you try tomorrow if we lynch me ? I wanna see how you try to get DP lynched. This is extremely tempting.

If you get lynched before us and are town there's no way DP will get lynched, no way Rayn will listen to us. We're actually thinking of really going over DP one more time before the flip just to make sure you're the scum, but there wouldn't be a point to that if Rayn is unwilling to consider him. Which means it's actually better for us to get lynched first. So, to Rayn:

If we analyze DP and end up thinking he's more likely scum than Rels, will you listen to us after we flip town?

##Unvote
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On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

On December 16 2015 19:35 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:33 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't get why if the hydra say they look scummy cause they don;t give a fuck and it doesn't matter, why do they suddenly start giving a fuck while still pretending to NOT give a fuck?

Doesn't make sense from a town perspective IMO. Like i think as town you either care about the game or you don't I don;t think townies will mess around with how they are perceived like the hydra is doing.

You can stop trying to analyze our alignment now. We're flipping today and are fine with it since it's the only way to legitimize our reads at this point. If we somehow get Rels lynched before us today we're always getting lynched over you if you're scum anyway so this approach seems smarter to us.

You should probably focus on burying rels now.

Wow you are treating me as a confirmed town now ?

No, but we are always getting lynched either today or tomorrow and we think we have more control over who flips tomorrow this way. You can back off now, we're flipping today.

On December 16 2015 19:38 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:36 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:34 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 19:30 Rels wrote:
Do it or don't. Nobody will beg you for a DP analysis. Of course if you make a slam dunk case, rayn will listen. Look how he turned around when I've found that GM had made up an explanation for his own post.

We're not asking Rayn to beg, simply if he's open to the idea because he can have his mind made up and then there's no point and we mind as well not bother.

And you know very well he will listen if you say smart things, so it is without a point to ask such a question. Even if you didn't already played dozen of games with him, he did exactly that during N1.

There really isn't always a point. I know that full well from my experiences with him.

On December 16 2015 21:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
Honestly, Rels, we started getting worried that DP was the last scum and not you and Lex wanted to put more work in than I really felt inclined to, which started this whole thing.

You're right. Most of what was in that case was circumstantial and weak. It could make you scum but it doesn't definitively mean anything. I do remember going over with you looking at things from both sides, and I do know how you think and yes that has been reflected in this game, though I think you're good enough to at least replicate your thought process as scum.

If you're town here and for the sake of this post and because of our doubts I'm going to assume that's the case for the moment, take a second to think about what our perspective is as town looking at this game. You have to be the last scum unless we're wrong on rayn or DP, and we're almost as certain as we can be that rayn is town. Basically we're looking at the same game as you are, only in reverse. And the way the thread stands now, if DP is scum here, he will definitely win this game hands down. I think maybe you have a better chance of pushing him tomorrow than we do which is why we're happy to flip first, and also that we know our reads will at least be accepted as genuine after we flip.

The thing is, EoD with marv and rayn's certainty had us pretty much not even questioning DP as town. But if you're scum here you're pretty much an asshole (lol, don't take that to heart, but yeah, playing pretty dirty making me feel guilty xP). We've been enjoying Lex's time here and not prioritizing the thread. We're not really apologetic about that; I'd rather have fun with him here.

What we want here is very simple.

We aren't trying to get anyone to lynch anyone but us. We're not going to defend ourselves. We're not going to talk about our alignment.

We honestly didn't want to waste time on our holiday looking into DP if rayn was dead-set on him being town, because we'd rather enjoy ourselves, but we'll do it for you Rels in the event you're town because I'd feel awful not to and let you get mislynched in lylo after you just got mislynched your last game.

So just do us a favor and don't ride us? We're getting lynched anyway. We don't need the distractions and we will get distracted cause we're horrible about letting things go and will just argue instead of look into things.

Lol, sorry about the shit game. Lazy hydras were being lazy


0 explanation or filter analysis in 2 hours.

We were asking about your initial reply to the initial post, not everything that occurred afterwards that you couldn't have known when you first replied.

OK let's go back then:
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On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

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On December 16 2015 23:53 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:43 RtaniSoul wrote:
Rels, what went through your head when we first said we wanted people to lynch us?

There is no explanation for that DP read flip. They are trying to appeal to rayn.

That does not answer my question.

Yes it does. Quote the post if I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Oh nevermind, you're right
Still, that's not what I meant. The DP flip can easily be explained by the fact that we saw townie things in you.

I don't understand the townie mindset of you posting "DP might be scum, but we will appeal to rayn before doing a filter analysis".
Like fuck, rayn is not even the only townie in the game in that case. If you do a case that 100% prove DP is scum and convince both GM and I, the game is also over.


Okay. We'll say here that it's possible you might have instantly assumed that we have rayn in our back pocket and he'd instantly look into DP the moment we breathed his name, therefore overriding our self-vote and not requiring any work on our part.
RtaniSoul
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December 16 2015 15:23 GMT
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On December 17 2015 00:18 Rels wrote:
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On December 17 2015 00:10 RtaniSoul wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:25 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 23:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 16 2015 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really don't know what else to say at the moment.

If DP is not going to do anything further i am never switching my vote. I understand this is pretty shitty if he is town as we live on the other sides of the world and we have basically not been in the thread at all at the same time due to time zones / constraints.

But still i believe this is the most likely correct answer at this point.


it's actually fine for me to die. Just make sure you get the last lynch right.

NO ITS NOT FINE UNLESS YOU ARE SURE THAT THE LAST SCUM IS ARSOUL, AND YOU ARE SURE THAT WE WILL LYNCH THEM. COME AND PLAY THE FUCKING GAME


what is this rels?

I don't know I assume you will tell me soon ?


No, explain what you were thinking.
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