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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 14 2015 22:29 GMT
#524
On December 15 2015 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well Rels is not the doc either so...


how did you come to that conclusion?
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GreYMisT
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United States6736 Posts
December 14 2015 22:33 GMT
#528
Rayn my issue is that if the doctor claims and we misslynch, we are at lylo. if doctor maintains silence, he can at least have a chance at another save tonight. This is all im seeing and the fact that Rtani and you both cavalierly advocate for this plan makes me a bit worried.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 14 2015 22:34 GMT
#529
On December 15 2015 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he would have not been "self-suicidal" on eod1 if he was.
most likely would have claimed instead of posting:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 06:42 Rels wrote:
Wow getting lynched I see. Well, better now than being the cause of losing the game



thats fair
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United States6736 Posts
December 14 2015 22:42 GMT
#532
On December 15 2015 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 07:33 GreYMisT wrote:
Rayn my issue is that if the doctor claims and we misslynch, we are at lylo. if doctor maintains silence, he can at least have a chance at another save tonight. This is all im seeing and the fact that Rtani and you both cavalierly advocate for this plan makes me a bit worried.

successful doctor save puts us at MYLO for the next day anyways if we mislynch.
Obviously this means i am town and DP is town but i am 100% sure of myself (i would have really lynched Rels 100% if i was scum with marv -- i can guarantee you that), and i don't see why DP would be mafia tbh.


I also lean town on DP but I dont think I share your conviction. Im reading again to see if I get there with you.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 14 2015 23:11 GMT
#533
Rayn I have a question for you buts its taking a bit to type, will you be around?
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 14 2015 23:24 GMT
#534
Ok Rayn I think you are town. Humor me for a bit and lets table this discussion for now and move onto something else I'd like your thoughts on that I have been having trouble with.

Ive been focusing on the end of day stuff and am having a hard time wrapping my head around marv's behavior. At the point of this entry into the game the only 2 reasons I can think of that people were voting him were inactivity and meta reasons (but based on him being inactive). Regardless of anyone elses alignment, I would have thought the best play for him to survive until next day would be to basically just ask to let him prove it tomorrow and in the night and then try to find a lynch someone agrees with. This isnt what happened. Instead:

1st - enters the game leaning scum on Rels
2nd - votes DP, still has some suspicion of Rels
3rd - you and he have a small discussion and you vote Rels
4th -appeal to emotion
5th - he has an exchange with others
6th - final appeal to emotion

All in all his push on DP is really weak, and he ends even with a little note on Rels looking suspicious.

The trouble I am having here is, why would he go this route instead? he had 2 "scum" reads, he could have just left it open and said "fine" and voted rels with you by saying it didnt matter to him. I believe he must have weighed the risks and reward and thought he was likely to die, and chose this action on purpose. This leads me to think that either DP or Rels are scum. its not the most watertight analysis but thats what this tells me. what do you think?




I just want to put this here, but this underlined and bolded part caught my eye. I have no logical reason why it did but I thought I would point it out nevertheless.

On December 14 2015 05:08 marvellosity wrote:
maybe Rels is just town for it and it's actually rsoul/Lex and they've managed to make 3 or 4 nice sounding posts and the whole game townreads them for it

Rels' play is a lot dirtier than rsoul/lex's which is kinda townie

i mean it might make sense for mafia in this setup to distance themselves with bussing maybe? setting up a case on DP. But then if that's the case then he probably should follow through, so it's not even that he's voting an afk over a scumread, ti's the fact that the narrative doesn't make sense.

possibly.


Alright, I'll be AFK for a bit, just thought id get that out there.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 15 2015 15:21 GMT
#593
And now that I'm awake:

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The Doctor

I breadcrumbed it earlier in that plan post I made, quite surprised mafia didnt see it actually. After I made it it seemed far to obvious to me but w/e.

I claim now becuase I thought about the plan, and am seeing that if the day proceeds with this idocy we'll get nothing done.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 15 2015 15:41 GMT
#619
On December 16 2015 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Greymist, to answer your question about marv's actions:
His actions points the most to Rels being mafia.
It points the least to DP being mafia (as i have argued).
Hydra is somewhere in the middle.

But i don't really think this kind of "casemaking" is legit, since people don't really have control over what marv does or doesn't. Like if Rels is town here, he has no way of defending himself against "marv did something" as he has no control over what mard does. It's a cheap way to make a case in my opinion, so that's why i think your question doesn't achieve much.


The point of the question was to analyize people's analysis of it, not really to make a case on anyone.

Also, just for fun, I was literally (no joke) about to change my save to damdred. I went with someone else, deciding not to try to game the mafia and it turned out wrong. Would have been a sick play.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 15 2015 15:43 GMT
#622
We still have a day. I would ask that the town don't come down upon Rels like I sense we are about to. This day can either be entirly about him defending himself and getting lynched anyway, or it can be about him trying to find the other scum through good methods.

Though if you just keep quoting Rtani and saying "conceed" I will quickly reevaluate my position.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 15 2015 15:45 GMT
#626
On December 16 2015 00:44 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 00:43 GreYMisT wrote:
We still have a day. I would ask that the town don't come down upon Rels like I sense we are about to. This day can either be entirly about him defending himself and getting lynched anyway, or it can be about him trying to find the other scum through good methods.

Though if you just keep quoting Rtani and saying "conceed" I will quickly reevaluate my position.

Do you think it's believable that artasoul saw marv post during EOD1 but didn't bother writing stuff while everyone else was panicking ?


It doesnt look good, though its possible, however unlikely
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 15 2015 15:46 GMT
#627
Rels can you do me a favor please
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 15 2015 15:52 GMT
#634
On December 16 2015 00:47 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 00:46 GreYMisT wrote:
Rels can you do me a favor please

Yep doc. Sry for the aggressiveness earlier, I know it's hard to be on the receiving end of aggressive questionning. Even if I don't understand how the fuck you could invent something that didn't exist.


Not really, I didnt mind it. I was never going to get lynched this game, doubt I would have even if I wasnt the doc (would have not played as a blue in that case)

I have you in one of 2 categories: you are either overzealous town, or new/panicking mafia. To figure out if you are town or mafia I'd like you to just post your thoughts about Rayn, DP, and Rtani. just a paragraph about each is fine, feel free to copy and paste earlier analysis you have done, I just dont want to see "he is scum" be the only thing there.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 16 2015 01:01 GMT
#650
I'm ok with either a Rels or Rtani lynch at this point. Rtani has kinda been off to me the entire game and Rels is looking more and more like overzealous town to me. Ill make my vote tomorrow
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 16 2015 14:18 GMT
#697
Scum is either Rtani or DP. I think it's Rtani. Just woke up but reading I think they fit the bill.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 16 2015 16:57 GMT
#794
On December 17 2015 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Funny fact is Rels...
Greymist considers you town and not the hydra.
I am not sure at all, if we lynch the hydra, and they flip town, that Greymist is going to make the correct call in LYLO if i get shot (srsly, noone can fucking even assume Grymist didn't protect me on N1 lol).

So if you want to live another day please convince Greymist you are mafia.


Rayn what makes you think that I dont die tonight? im a confirmed town
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 16 2015 17:05 GMT
#801
On December 17 2015 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 01:57 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 17 2015 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Funny fact is Rels...
Greymist considers you town and not the hydra.
I am not sure at all, if we lynch the hydra, and they flip town, that Greymist is going to make the correct call in LYLO if i get shot (srsly, noone can fucking even assume Grymist didn't protect me on N1 lol).

So if you want to live another day please convince Greymist you are mafia.


Rayn what makes you think that I dont die tonight? im a confirmed town

So am i. There is no world where i do not vote for Rels on D1 in this game. While you may not know it everyone else does.
The one who is more "capable" of making an incorrect decision lives.


yes but you are not capable of saving someone at night if you dont get shot
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 16 2015 17:07 GMT
#802
I would much rather lynch the hydra. For the past day Rels hasnt looked good to me, but mostly I think he is just overzealous town. Ritani makes this end game post like - lynch me and then lynch rels, but to me this really looks like a bluff that they are pulling off.

Ritani's read on me this game has been a bit weird as well, I was the easy lynch coming into day 2 without the doctor claim, but Ritani has been waffleing back and forth on me the entire day 1 and night 1, but always for very weak reasons. It looks like a scum oriented play to me because it allows them to both switch hard onto me or switch hard off of me whenver the time suits them. Look at the events of today, unlike rels ritani never caught flack for how they thought about me.

Also due to some WIFOM night action shenanigans, i think this is the most likely answer as well. I will not reveal my saves for obvious reasons, apart from the obvious person who I didnt save, but ive been telling myself in mafia for a while now that I need to go with my hunches more, they are so often right.

##Vote: Ritanisoul
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 16 2015 22:21 GMT
#825
I really dont like playing with hydras
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 17 2015 15:19 GMT
#883
So first off everyone needs to have a lynch target and analysis post before day end. a new one. if someone does not everyone is to assuume that person is scum. I will have one as well, so dont worry.

I also have something and I want both DP and Rels to humor me, and i'd like rayn to go along with it. I'd like both of you to do your best to make a case on rayn. disregard how unlikly it is, or whether or not its something youu actually believe.

ill be here occassionally to respond, but ill mainly be following along and gathering my thoughts for the end of night post.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
December 17 2015 15:43 GMT
#885
On December 18 2015 00:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 00:19 GreYMisT wrote:
So first off everyone needs to have a lynch target and analysis post before day end. a new one. if someone does not everyone is to assuume that person is scum. I will have one as well, so dont worry.

I also have something and I want both DP and Rels to humor me, and i'd like rayn to go along with it. I'd like both of you to do your best to make a case on rayn. disregard how unlikly it is, or whether or not its something youu actually believe.

ill be here occassionally to respond, but ill mainly be following along and gathering my thoughts for the end of night post.


Nope this is super fucking retarded greymist.



Explain your reasoning. You are a potential lynch target so you need to back up every assertion
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