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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:45 GMT
#784
On December 17 2015 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The truth is i will never ever lynch DP in this game.

Good.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:47 GMT
#785
On December 16 2015 04:17 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 00:15 RtaniSoul wrote:
So here's where we're at right now.

We kind of think Damdred and Rayn are easy townreads right now. Damdred for being lighthearted and happy to interact. Rayn for not tunneling and actually attempting to interact with his reads.

Kind of leaning town on GreY. Just don't think he'd go after Damdy and Rayn when everyone and their mom is townreading them. Especially if Marv is mafia, he'd actually have to line up mislynches and no one wants to lynch either of them right now. We don't think the post about Rayn being vocal was alignment indicative, and a bunch of things in his big post stuck out as townish. One thing we didn't like though was the marv post and trying to get him modkilled instead, but that would be an easy scum tactic that doesn't make much sense in combination with trying to push damdred/rayn. We think he's just wrong mostly.

Marv is clearly scum at this point.
##Vote Marvellosity

Which leaves DP and Rels for the last scum.

Some of what Rels has posted looks okay and some of it doesn't. There's a few instances where it seems like he's throwing suspicions on people without trying to figure them out like he did The way he approached DP and our slot in a way that seems more focused on burying rather than solving. An exception to that would be this post:
On December 13 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:
On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
while reading, 2 stood out to me as interesting:

The first is in regards to Damdred/Rels. I felt OK about Dam at first, but it struck me as interesting the way he interacted with Rels when Rels votes Marv. He asks why Rels is policy voting someone when he has a scum read on someone else, a sentiment I have no real issue with. What strikes me as strange is the way Dam seems to play up what Rels is doing as a weird play. The interaction covers most of a page when it seemed like it really didn't need to. I am suspicious of players who have lengthy interactions with others while accomplishing nothing. In addition, after this happens, DP essentially does the exact same thing and yet no reaction from Damdred. This strikes me as odd and I'd like to hear damdred's thoights about DP's vote placement.

How is it scum indicative ? I'm one of the scumread of Damdred, it's normal he interrogates me on my actions.

On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The first has occurred recently- forgive me for not quoting at the moment - when Ryan said he was sure that there could not be scum between DP/Hydra/ and Rels And was "certain" there was scum between myself and Marv. To begin, I don't like when people categorize like this. I feel like it benefits mafia to arbitrarily put people into categories to empose their viewpoint on the town. That isn't the main reason I didn't like the post, however.

On the contrary, I think it's town indicative for rayn to share his thought process. It's only scum indicative if you can point how what he posted is not logical or deserves a scum agenda.

On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
The problem I have is his sudden change in conviction. Notice before this post he is just asking my opinion, wanting to know what I think of him (I will address this later below). And then, literally the next post he is certain either I or Marv are scum. Also consider that Marv is a guy who has not been here!You cannot be certain that someone is mafia if they have not posted. So basically, Rayn is saying here that he is certain I am mafia. It is this change in attitude, this certainty, and this hiding of his opinion by including Marv in this pairing that aroused my suspicion.

He explained why he thought that. Can you point what is wrong or scum with his logic ?

On December 13 2015 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:
First, the way he jumped onto Rels with Damdred seems a bit rushed and oppertunistic to me. As if he is testing the waters to see if he can get something rolling.

You seem to consider me town since apparently Damdred / rayn attacked me too easily. Why are you townreading me ?

Where it feels like he's actually trying to work with GM.


Then there was the weird marv vote that also got pinged out by Rayn and Damdred. In the case of Marv being mafia, it gives Rels an excuse to be on him early whilst actually being able to switch to DP as soon as Marv posts.
On December 12 2015 23:27 Rels wrote:
##Vote marv
Do stuff or die.

Otherwise here is my mind atm:

rayn
Damdred
grey

Arta/rsoul
marv

DP




About the reiteration
Our concern is essentially what we're outlining below. Not the fact that DP is buddying, or that he's not aggressive in isolation, but that he's a non-entity. Those are distinctly different in our minds than saying oh look! DP is buddying people! He must be scum! Or DP is not being aggressive enough! He must be scum! It is more of an overall feel for his presence (or lack thereof) in the thread.



For DP, it feels like he's buddying a bunch of players and the GM scumread seems too easy and shallow. He also spent a lot more time on his townreads than his scumreads. There just doesn't seem to be much drive to find scum in him. It's also telling that we can't really say much about his filter besides a bunch of reasons for people to be town.

Town
Damdred
Raynpelikoneet

Leaning Town
GreYMisT

Leaning Scum
Rels
DarthPunk

Mafia
Marvellosity


Okay, first off we admit that we have been playing this game very lackadaisically. We've been taking full advantage of being a hydra where we can work things out together. We also haven't been paying this game as much attention as it probably deserves.

That said, the above post was our reads before marv. Clearly if marv is town, as Lex thought, our two scumreads become Rels and DP. There were 5 votes on Rels when Lex checked the thread, 1 on DP and 1 on marv, so he didn't feel the need to post or change his vote while I was out. He was waiting for me to get back and we both didn't realize deadline was at 4 (our time) instead of 5.

As for my comment on Rels...he'd gone after so many people in the thread that it just seemed really unlikely he was scum with DP or GM, and we had strong townreads on Damdred and rayn. So for both of us a Rels lynch was likely to hit scum, though I wasn't assuming marv was town like Lex was. Thus we didn't care perhaps as much as we should have. There are reasons for that but we're not going to go into it.

Quite simply you have to ask yourselves why marv tries to get out of his lynch and why we don't take advantage of the Rels lynch. You could make the argument that we just assumed it would go through, and we're horrible scum players who both didn't follow thread and didn't keep track of the deadline when marv, who everyone knows doesn't like to play scum, is trying to get a mislynch.

And if you think that's likely, go ahead and lynch us. Then lynch Rels.

Is it also town indicative to not post while the person you voted for finally post something; to talk by phone (I assume ?) about the game waiting for the other person to come back; then, seeing that they missed the deadline by 1 hour, don't post anything else for 10 hours ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:48 GMT
#786
On December 17 2015 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
.... i don't really think either the hydra or DP would ever make those posts in a way they did as mafia. The posts in itself are not alignment indicative, but the way they came out, and the situation where they were posted makes me think they come from town (Lex/Tina having a holiday together

BTW: quotes please.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:52 GMT
#789
On December 17 2015 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Funny fact is Rels...
Greymist considers you town and not the hydra.
I am not sure at all, if we lynch the hydra, and they flip town, that Greymist is going to make the correct call in LYLO if i get shot (srsly, noone can fucking even assume Grymist didn't protect me on N1 lol).

So if you want to live another day please convince Greymist you are mafia.

He's not there right now, I'm talking to you. Can you quote the posts that made you go "well they cannot bullshit me like that" ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:53 GMT
#790
Artasoul: you were talking by phone when Arta saw that marv posted right ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:56 GMT
#793
On December 17 2015 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:d as mafia. The posts in itself are not alignment indicative, but the way they came out, and the situation where they were posted makes me think they come from town (Lex/Tina having a holiday together --
[...]
And i don't know if Hydra's bullshitting capabilities are enough for this.

Talking about this. Quote the posts that makes you go "mm Arsoul is not scum 'cause they wouldn't bullshit like that".
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 16:58 GMT
#796
On December 17 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 01:53 Rels wrote:
Artasoul: you were talking by phone when Arta saw that marv posted right ?

No, they are in the same place.

Then you didn't read their posts properly. Please let them answer the question.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 17:00 GMT
#799
On December 17 2015 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 01:58 Rels wrote:
On December 17 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 17 2015 01:53 Rels wrote:
Artasoul: you were talking by phone when Arta saw that marv posted right ?

No, they are in the same place.

Then you didn't read their posts properly. Please let them answer the question.

But i know for a fact they are in the same place, and were, at that time.

Well THEN you DIDNT READ THEIR POSTS PROPERLY and you should FUCKING LET THEM ANSWER THE QUESTION
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 17:01 GMT
#800
Leaving work. rayn please do this:
On December 17 2015 01:56 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:d as mafia. The posts in itself are not alignment indicative, but the way they came out, and the situation where they were posted makes me think they come from town (Lex/Tina having a holiday together --
[...]
And i don't know if Hydra's bullshitting capabilities are enough for this.

Talking about this. Quote the posts that makes you go "mm Arsoul is not scum 'cause they wouldn't bullshit like that".

and don't interfere with my question until they answer pretty please.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 21:22 GMT
#806
On December 17 2015 02:27 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 01:53 Rels wrote:
Artasoul: you were talking by phone when Arta saw that marv posted right ?

Yeah, Tina was out doing groceries and neither of us were feeling all too well at the time so our motivation was pretty low to begin with. Then we saw everyone switching over to you and figured you were a fine lynch as well.

"Hey mate! I know you're shopping and I'm sick and Imma let you finish but you know marv just posted ? He might be town!"
"But who would Rels be scum with ?"
"Oh you're right! Well Rels has 5 votes on him anyway, let's not care about the game"
Yep. Believable.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 21:30 GMT
#807
On December 17 2015 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you convince Greymist you are mafia i will 100% vote for the Hydra.

Time to act on your words chief.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 21:36 GMT
#808
On December 13 2015 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
2) Excuse me but how do you actually read anyone town in a game if not for "they are trying to lynch people who are likely mafia" or "their reads align with mine"? I don't mean normally in a game, i mean in this game where all people are actually capable of posting good looking posts as mafia.

Man another advice that wasn't followed.
If you think the best way to read someone if their reads, look at what arsoul did today:
Rels 100% scum if not it's GM => Rels 100% scum no alternative => they are being lynched => actually it might be DP 90% scum Rels 10% scum => rayn moves to DP lynch => arsoul "I love you" => rayn moves from DP lynch => arsoul scumreads me again with no alternative.
Going where the wind blow for their survival.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 21:45 GMT
#809
AAAAAAAAA
IF IM LYNCHED BECAUSE OF TWO AFKS IM GOING TO BE MAD
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 21:49 GMT
#811
On December 17 2015 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But i think you are scum and i think i am making the correct decision.

Why did you ignore my requests to quote the posts artsoul couldn't make as scum two times ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 21:50 GMT
#813
On December 17 2015 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 06:49 Rels wrote:
On December 17 2015 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But i think you are scum and i think i am making the correct decision.

Why did you ignore my requests to quote the posts artsoul couldn't make as scum two times ?

Because it doesn't change anything unless you think i am mafia.

I want to know what posts they couldn't make as scum.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 21:55 GMT
#815
Man this is supposed to be a high level game.
rayn is terrible, trusting TONE READS he himself said were not working on experience players over scummy behaviour.
DP is wasting his vote and AFKing EOD.
Artasoul are the 2 worst players in the game if they are town, which is 99% unlikely.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 21:57 GMT
#817
I'm going to be mad forever at that game. You host a high level game then lynches me because Artasoul "couldn't possible make EMOTIONNAL BS" like that.
Unless you're scum. Then I am OK losing, only extremely disappointed at Artanis and rsoul.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 21:59 GMT
#818
On December 17 2015 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You know what. Maybe Greymist and DP are right and i am wrong. Maybe not.
After all you deserve to be in this game, at least you are trying and giving a proper fight for your life.
##unvote
##vote RtaniSoul

Man I'm relieved. I'm OK to be lynched if I'm wrong and let you or DP win.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 22:00 GMT
#819
OFC I'll fight for my life p: but I won't be mad
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
December 16 2015 22:00 GMT
#821
Of course
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