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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 15:32 GMT
#739
Well i am back to thinking DP is town.
Fuck this game is hard.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 15:34 GMT
#741
On December 16 2015 17:42 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 12:01 RtaniSoul wrote:
Point 2: marv votes DP and not Rels. Even if we assume that he really did AFK as scum while being lynched after returning to the thread last minute to try to squirm out of a lynch, he was still in the thread when rayn voted Rels at the very least. He did not vote to survive, and we know that this was not because he was town. That makes it very likely that Rels is scum!

This is WIFOM. marv was scum, so he did what he wanted to give his team the best chance of success.
And here you find weird that marv did not vote me if I'm not scum; but above you say me being scum matches with me switching off him. Why do you not consider the possibility that I'm town seeing the exact thing you're finding weird and decided marv might be town ?

what exactly were you seeing?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 15:36 GMT
#743
On December 17 2015 00:33 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i am back to thinking DP is town.
Fuck this game is hard.

Only because you assume Artasoul would roll over and die or concede if they were scum. Show me the townie mindset behind the posts I quoted above.

I FUCKING CAN'T. I don't know if there is a scum motive or town motive, I can't do that either with your posts aswell...

I am waffling like a fucking ping pong ball and i don't even know why.. I don't find your conversation with them useful from either end rn..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 15:37 GMT
#744
On December 17 2015 00:36 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2015 17:42 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 12:01 RtaniSoul wrote:
Point 2: marv votes DP and not Rels. Even if we assume that he really did AFK as scum while being lynched after returning to the thread last minute to try to squirm out of a lynch, he was still in the thread when rayn voted Rels at the very least. He did not vote to survive, and we know that this was not because he was town. That makes it very likely that Rels is scum!

This is WIFOM. marv was scum, so he did what he wanted to give his team the best chance of success.
And here you find weird that marv did not vote me if I'm not scum; but above you say me being scum matches with me switching off him. Why do you not consider the possibility that I'm town seeing the exact thing you're finding weird and decided marv might be town ?

what exactly were you seeing?

marv was not voting me when it was the obvious way to survive.

Yes, and this points towards you being town how?
Like this is my biggest problem. Why does marv not vote for you if you are town? WHY THE FUCK DOES HE NOT VOTE FOR A TOWNIE WHEN IT WILL SAVE HIM 99
% OF THE TIME?!?!?!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 15:41 GMT
#746
because i do not think there is scum motive either. AtE is wifom at best. AtE is as much of a scum motive than it is a town motive. BECAUSE IT IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE!!! Otherwise both the hydra and DP would be mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 15:52 GMT
#750
On December 17 2015 00:42 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:36 Rels wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2015 17:42 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 12:01 RtaniSoul wrote:
Point 2: marv votes DP and not Rels. Even if we assume that he really did AFK as scum while being lynched after returning to the thread last minute to try to squirm out of a lynch, he was still in the thread when rayn voted Rels at the very least. He did not vote to survive, and we know that this was not because he was town. That makes it very likely that Rels is scum!

This is WIFOM. marv was scum, so he did what he wanted to give his team the best chance of success.
And here you find weird that marv did not vote me if I'm not scum; but above you say me being scum matches with me switching off him. Why do you not consider the possibility that I'm town seeing the exact thing you're finding weird and decided marv might be town ?

what exactly were you seeing?

marv was not voting me when it was the obvious way to survive.

Yes, and this points towards you being town how?
Like this is my biggest problem. Why does marv not vote for you if you are town? WHY THE FUCK DOES HE NOT VOTE FOR A TOWNIE WHEN IT WILL SAVE HIM 99
% OF THE TIME?!?!?!

It doesn't show I'm town. What I'm pointing out as weird is:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 12:01 RtaniSoul wrote:
I told lex when I first saw this post that if marv is scum, Rels had a good chance of being his partner for this. It's completely lining up the switch from marv to DP the moment marv posts.

If Artasoul finds weird that marv doesn't vote for me, it's weird they are not considering that I found it weird to and reacted by townreading marv.

I don't understand any of the shit you say here in this stream of quotes.
It's like you are talking about two different things and somehow making it seem like they are one thing...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 15:57 GMT
#752
If Artasoul finds weird that marv doesn't vote for me...

No, that's not what anyone is saying. Hydra is/was saying it most likely makes you mafia!!

...it's weird they are not considering that I found it weird to and reacted by townreading marv.

what the fuck does this mean?
Of course you are not gonna admit/say that marv did not vote for you because you are mafia.
What the fuck is this sentence even TRYING to say?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 15:58 GMT
#754
On December 17 2015 00:57 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 00:56 Rels wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:42 Rels wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:36 Rels wrote:
On December 17 2015 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2015 17:42 Rels wrote:
On December 16 2015 12:01 RtaniSoul wrote:
Point 2: marv votes DP and not Rels. Even if we assume that he really did AFK as scum while being lynched after returning to the thread last minute to try to squirm out of a lynch, he was still in the thread when rayn voted Rels at the very least. He did not vote to survive, and we know that this was not because he was town. That makes it very likely that Rels is scum!

This is WIFOM. marv was scum, so he did what he wanted to give his team the best chance of success.
And here you find weird that marv did not vote me if I'm not scum; but above you say me being scum matches with me switching off him. Why do you not consider the possibility that I'm town seeing the exact thing you're finding weird and decided marv might be town ?

what exactly were you seeing?

marv was not voting me when it was the obvious way to survive.

Yes, and this points towards you being town how?
Like this is my biggest problem. Why does marv not vote for you if you are town? WHY THE FUCK DOES HE NOT VOTE FOR A TOWNIE WHEN IT WILL SAVE HIM 99
% OF THE TIME?!?!?!

It doesn't show I'm town. What I'm pointing out as weird is:
On December 16 2015 12:01 RtaniSoul wrote:
I told lex when I first saw this post that if marv is scum, Rels had a good chance of being his partner for this. It's completely lining up the switch from marv to DP the moment marv posts.

If Artasoul finds weird that marv doesn't vote for me, it's weird they are not considering that I found it weird to and reacted by townreading marv.

I don't understand any of the shit you say here in this stream of quotes.
It's like you are talking about two different things and somehow making it seem like they are one thing...

I'm obvious town. But marv WIFOM is a strong argument against me. The end; GG marv.
I still don't understand you. You are 100% sure Artasoul is scum; then they make a bunch of posts that you say "there are AtE so they are NAI!"; and you don't scumread them anymore.

This doesn't make sense.

Fine. Then call me fucking scum and see how that goes.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:01 GMT
#757
On December 17 2015 01:00 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If Artasoul finds weird that marv doesn't vote for me...

No, that's not what anyone is saying. Hydra is/was saying it most likely makes you mafia!!

...it's weird they are not considering that I found it weird to and reacted by townreading marv.

what the fuck does this mean?
Of course you are not gonna admit/say that marv did not vote for you because you are mafia.
What the fuck is this sentence even TRYING to say?

You're right, it only makes sense from my PoV. This is something that point at me being scum and I can't do anything against it. So it also true it's normal Artasoul didn't consider it from "Rels is town" perspective, whatever their alignement is.

There is no "rels is town" -perspective for anyone because YOUR REACTION IS MOST LIKELY THE SAME REGARDLESS OF YOUR AFFILIATION!!

That is the point.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:03 GMT
#762
See, you try to hammer these points you should never ever try to hammer if you thought about the game from the perspective that people do not know your alignment...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:04 GMT
#764
Or fuck, that is not the right phrasing.. But you get the point.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:06 GMT
#766
Greymist could you please give your detailed thoughts on all the people in the game left?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:09 GMT
#767
On December 17 2015 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Greymist could you please give your detailed thoughts on all the people in the game left?

Because i am stuck with "Rels is mafia" and i don't wanna be wrong and if i am wrong i will feel really fucking shitty. But idk what else i should think.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:18 GMT
#773
On December 17 2015 01:09 Rels wrote:
Obviously they are not NAI to you since you've completely changed your mind. So please take the time to think and write in words exactly what in those posts made you think arsoul is town.

No, that is not the case.
I have had really hard time figuring out what is scummy and what is not and what is townie here on this phase. I have multiple times gone through every single fucking filter in the game and tried to make some sense of it. Basically everyone has been in the "i don't fucking know category". First i thought you are most likely to be scum. Then i ditched that idea. Then i went to read DP and Hydra again. Then i thought DP is scum. Then i ditched that idea. Now i am back to thinking you are scum. I can't point to any single post, i just do not know, and the Hydra is very fucking close to you -- basically the difference between you and them is that you didn't even TRY to convince me you are town at the end of N1 (or after the post i made which i said i think you are scum in). Then you haven't made any analysis on the marv stuff. The marv stuff HAS to mean something, everyone else has made analysis of it. You haven't. It looks the worst on you, but there MUST be an explanation -- if you are town, just because it's fucking impossible there is not. And the fact you don't even try to explain that stuff makes me think you can't make up an explanation for it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:32 GMT
#778
If you yourself cannot imagine an explanation as to why marv did that in case I'm town, I don't see why I should have the responsability to make up one myself.

Because it makes you look bad and it is your responsibility to prove you are town, not mine.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:44 GMT
#781
On December 17 2015 01:35 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2015 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you yourself cannot imagine an explanation as to why marv did that in case I'm town, I don't see why I should have the responsability to make up one myself.

Because it makes you look bad and it is your responsibility to prove you are town, not mine.

No. I think we cannot guess why marv voting DP instead of me. The only logical answers are "Rels is scum" and "DP is probably not scum".

That is true. Which is ultimately why i am voting for you amongst one another reason.
I am honestly terribly sorry if you are town and if that is the case you -- and everyone -- can and should use this game as a reference why you should NEVER base your opinion on someone based on what someone else said. I know i am contradicting myself here in what i believe, but...

.... i don't really think either the hydra or DP would ever make those posts in a way they did as mafia. The posts in itself are not alignment indicative, but the way they came out, and the situation where they were posted makes me think they come from town (Lex/Tina having a holiday together -- DP being genuinely frustrated with not being able to "play with anyone here")... It is a fucking shitty reason, and i know it but this game is too fucking hard, so i am going with my gut. I can't find a convincing case on anyone to be mafia. I just can't.

It's shitty if you are scum Rels, i know it for a fact because i got lynched in XXX the same dumbass way, you put a shitton of effort to the game and get lynched because "noone else can pull this off as mafia". But the fact is i consider you the best scumplayer on the TL forum at this time, and you, if anyone, would try to pull this off. And i don't know if Hydra's / DP's bullshitting capabilities are enough for this.

The truth is i will never ever lynch DP in this game. I won't. And i will make everything in my power to convince Greymist that DP is not mafia in case you happen to flip town. And if you flip town i am truly going to be very fucking sad cat.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:45 GMT
#783
On December 17 2015 01:39 Rels wrote:
rayn: does marv usually ignore his partners ?

I don't really know to be honest. Most likely not, but i don't think i have ever seen him bus completely except for in the Shadow game..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:51 GMT
#787
Funny fact is Rels...
Greymist considers you town and not the hydra.
I am not sure at all, if we lynch the hydra, and they flip town, that Greymist is going to make the correct call in LYLO if i get shot (srsly, noone can fucking even assume Grymist didn't protect me on N1 lol).

So if you want to live another day please convince Greymist you are mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:52 GMT
#788
If you convince Greymist you are mafia i will 100% vote for the Hydra.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 16 2015 16:54 GMT
#791
On December 16 2015 23:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really don't know what else to say at the moment.

If DP is not going to do anything further i am never switching my vote. I understand this is pretty shitty if he is town as we live on the other sides of the world and we have basically not been in the thread at all at the same time due to time zones / constraints.

But still i believe this is the most likely correct answer at this point.


it's actually fine for me to die. Just make sure you get the last lynch right.

game stuff ends here

I have this feeling in the pit of my stomach like I really want to fight my lynch the way I would have in the past but real life takes too much time to play mafia properly and there is no way I can work a 12 hour day on less than 6 hours sleep.

During this game I was able to spend at the most 3 hours per day to read and post in the thread and the way I have always played has been in a very interactive way that requires lots of time and attention and spam

Basically the reason I am saying all this because this will be my last game of mafia for the foreseeable future. (No Rayn you will not again convince me to play after I refuse citing time constraints so you can lynch me due to not doing enough.)

It is not fair on my past self and all the effort I used to put into this game I loved.

I can't play to my own standards and it is incredibly frustrating to be in that situation where instead of a mafia god I am a fucking grandfather who should have already retired.

I am grateful though that I got to play in this last game with two of my favourite players ever (marv/Rayn)
And someone new who vividly reminds me of how I once played the game.

So thanks for that.

Also, as it's my own fucking eulogy:

Rso you are legit terrible at the game.

Artanis fuck you for not trying in vengeful you prick.

Rayn thanks for the memories but I still lynched the shit out of you in hydra.

Marv you are a god except your ego is a force of fucking nature.

Fuck you holy flare.

I think that's everything .

I'm turning off my phone so I can salvage some sleep.

It was a wild ride while it lasted. Peace!

Dick move analysis says DarthPunk is town and i am never going to change my mind on this.
That's all i have to say about this. I am not 100% certain the Hydra is town.
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