TL Mafia LXXIII: The Nutcracker

On December 01 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
oh another pre game excuse: I wont be here until like 4 hours after game start due to college class into going out to eat with my parents :o

On December 01 2015 12:47 The Shining wrote:
It's not the first time you've played with me, nor the first time I've reacted that way. Why is it interesting to you? Do you find it indicative in any way? What do you think of what I said about fidei, or what palmar said about me, or revel about damdred?

On December 01 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I find it interesting that you acted that way because A. I'm genuinely concerned for your mental state in Mafia as I know it's a high stress game. B. I do feel that you overreacted a bit with your sudden outburst and I disliked the way you try to use your meta to defend yourself.

So. I just want to know your thoughts. What was the basis behind your Fidei read?

On December 01 2015 12:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:

it was for Shining xd i'm just ninja'ing him so much

On December 01 2015 13:01 The Shining wrote:


Yes it was towards md but your answer so quick and natural earns you a town point

On December 01 2015 18:16 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike:Specifically, what comments did he make that were relevant to the game, and why do they make him town?

Damdred: (and PLEASE, no one else answer this, don't be stupid...):
I'm sorry, I know you don't want to talk about this, but it's driving me insane.
Hypothetical scenario 1: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Joe for not having posted.
Hypothetical scenario 2: Trfel makes a post an hour into a mafia game casting suspicions on Bob for not having posted. Bob said before the game that he would not be present for the first few hours of the game.

What difference do you see between these two scenarios?

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Palmar seems like obvious town. There's one thing I hope to check eventually, though.

I kind of want to lynch The Shining, but that seems like a very bad idea right now. He's put in a bunch of effort (regardless of alignment) on a busy day for him. Most of the problems that I have with his posts are wording, tone, and a bit of consistency, which aren't the most reliable. I do feel that his posting somewhat fits mafia motivation, but I'm nowhere near confident enough to be happy lynching him now. I feel that The Shining's alignment will become very clear with a bit more time.

I still think that Damdred is mafia, but I remembered that the past several times I've played with Damdred (both town) I've always thought he was mafia I'm guessing that I have some preconceived notions for what I expect Damdred to do, and whenever he doesn't behave exactly as I would expect him to, I think he's mafia. And it seems to be very hard for me to separate this from mafia motivations...

Did anyone else find Damdred's townread of The Shining a bit off? Palmar commented on why the third point is invalid, which I completely agree with.

On December 01 2015 18:42 Fidei86 wrote:
Morning folks.

So I have two competing thoughts about Shining. The first is that I entirely agree with Palmar about why Shining's play makes no sense. I'd also add that it's even more strange that his 'read' on me seemed almost entirely OMGUS, but then as soon as HTS made a point against me in her thread entry, he adopted it and parroted it as the new reason he didn't like me. The second is that he and Palmar seem very invested in this fight - much more so than seems warranted by the early stage of the game. They have been back and forth, what, five or six times now? Almost to the exclusion of everyone else. The 'better' play as town is plainly to apologise for bad thread entry (which Shining did, admittedly, do) and then to turn attention elsewhere (which neither Palmar or Shining have done). The only thing I have to say in Shining's defence is that his rebuttal's read very heartfelt. That can be something that is hard to replicate as mafia, and it's giving me pause here. I would say Shining is a very slight scum read for me, but I wouldn't vote for him as yet.

Also - morning Rels. Re my read on you - I've watched you play enough games as mafia now to think I have a reasonable handle on your meta. Yes, you are totally capable of breaking your meta, but your "I give no fucks" tone and posting content is town Rels to me.

Lightning Strike's entrance seems way over the top to me, especially for him. Usually he comes in and posts some relatively anodyne 1-liners, whereas here he came in with a big long paragraph attacking someone (Trfel I think) for calling him out earlier. In my experience, town LS is much more relaxed and jokey, until he starts getting attacked seriously (which I don't think had happened by that point). Then again, LS is primo lynch-bait D1, so I'll try and avoid getting too tunnelled for now.

My one heretical thought at the moment is that Dani might be mafia. I know, I know. It's more of a hunch than a real read, but I'm just not feeling it from her posts so far. Town Dani that I've known usually goes in one direction, then another, and she has an almost relentless quality. Too many of her posts last night were backtracking on things she had already said, and it's not clear she reached anything much of a landing point. It could be because it's early and because she's tired though.

Moosy is posting the same kind of rubbish that he posted in our first Newbie game together. In that game he was new and was inadvertently trying some sort of Chezinu--style baits. Which, in fairness, worked. Then when he was mafia and I was town, he was super super serious all game. Obviously if he doesn't contribute further then at some point we will have to lynch him for being useless / lynch all lurkers, but for now I give him a slight town read.

On December 02 2015 00:29 Onegu wrote:
Onegu VT claim.

Be back later

On December 02 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:

Any idea on what could be scum ?

On December 14 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
Hi I'm a Miller ls, how do I play this?

On December 14 2015 08:06 Koshi wrote:
##Vote Lightningstrike

brilliant. I actually said the same thing 2 games ago.

On December 14 2015 08:20 Damdred wrote:


My master plan ruined thanks to you ls. You caught me.

On December 14 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:


You obviously!

Though shape is a good chance at town

On December 14 2015 10:30 Damdred wrote:
Let me tell you why you are totally wrong in how you are approaching koshi.

1) you say that koshi is going to be super lazy and you are content voting him because that's his scum meta.

In actuality you are right about his meta but dead wrong in your interpretation of what koshi said. If you read koshis post he clearly states he's going to focus on building cases and finding mafia. A clearly different thing especially since generally cases take a decent bit of effort which scum koshi lacks.

2) you say my post is terrible because you read koshi on his d1. Though you correct yourself by saying I said 24 hours.

In actuality I a aid we shouldn't bother koshi so that we can see what he comes up with. Since you know he said he would focus on cases and finding scum instead of spamming the thread.

....like I said give koshi space and some time see what he comes up with.

On December 14 2015 11:13 Sukrit wrote:


I am so much cooler than that shit eater.

On December 14 2015 11:25 GlowingBear wrote:


Sorry, why are you thinking about teams right now?

On December 14 2015 11:42 Sukrit wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477216-horn-of-africa-mini-mafia?user=Koshi

HolyShit. Look at this filter on page one. Anything look familiar?

On December 14 2015 11:53 Sukrit wrote:
Maybe^

On December 14 2015 11:57 Shapelog wrote:


Eh most of it is void now but in the moment I thought their conversation was a bit off,

Individually:
Damred: thought was weird to claim miler for obivs reasons.
LS: his reaction to Damred kinda felt planned in my head. Sounded and was timed almost like it was planned

So I thought "hey if i was mafia i could make it sound like a townie v townie and we can get off to a good start." Which now that i retype it and had time to think about it. Doesn't make that much sense until the follow up comments. But honestly seems really overthought.

They said they pulled a palmar on me..... still have no clue what that is

On December 14 2015 12:19 Sukrit wrote:
I am Palmar and claiming mafia...

On December 14 2015 12:25 Shapelog wrote:


Hey he's MIA... can't i capture it and get a reward? Turn him in for deserting the Royal Forums Army?

On December 14 2015 12:27 Shapelog wrote:
You never heard of Kwanza? like really?

I am sadden by this.

On December 14 2015 12:32 Sukrit wrote:



But Hanukkah has 8 crazy nights!

On December 14 2015 22:44 Koshi wrote:
Decent amount of posts about Koshi. Was I mafia in Horn of Africa? I don't think so. I can't read filters here.
Anyway.
Voting Kush cuz he won't be off any use it seems.

##unvote
##vote: Kushmasta