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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 21:28 GMT
#1190
Weird timeline thing with rels:
- He makes meta case on LS
- I make a post about it
- He reads through the thread (the infamous caps post), then makes post saying LS is town
- OMGUS' on me

Ugh, I've been so fucking wishywashy with this, but I'm going to vote Rels

##Vote Rels
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 21:29 GMT
#1191
I'm gonna go grab a bite and then look at LS and TT as I promised before. BRB
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 21:36 GMT
#1199
Vivax is worth discussing if he shows up.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 21:45 GMT
#1204
On December 19 2015 06:41 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 06:28 GiygaS wrote:
Weird timeline thing with rels:
- He makes meta case on LS
- I make a post about it
- He reads through the thread (the infamous caps post), then makes post saying LS is town
- OMGUS' on me

Ugh, I've been so fucking wishywashy with this, but I'm going to vote Rels

##Vote Rels


I'd like to check this, which posts are you referring to?


#269
On December 15 2015 08:05 Rels wrote:
I stayed up for posting this. I thought the deadline was 1 hour earlier.

Here is LS filter from the game I just played, in which he was town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/498635-dark-tournament-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike

Here is his filter from this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=LightningStrike

It's a schocking difference. LS as town in dark tournament mafia posted reads, questionned stuff and overall looked to solve the game. In this game, he had NO game-related post until I asked him for a list of reads.

I think this guy is scum.
##Vote LightningStrike


#357
On December 15 2015 15:35 GiygaS wrote:
Still looking over everyone, but I'm sort of stuck on rels. Like I just don't understand his play coming from an experienced player (at least I presume he is based on posts). Like in addition to the things Koshi already said about him, his question seemed to go towards this weird meta-lynch on LS. Like look at this post:

Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 08:05 Rels wrote:
I stayed up for posting this. I thought the deadline was 1 hour earlier.

Here is LS filter from the game I just played, in which he was town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/498635-dark-tournament-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike

Here is his filter from this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=LightningStrike

It's a schocking difference. LS as town in dark tournament mafia posted reads, questionned stuff and overall looked to solve the game. In this game, he had NO game-related post until I asked him for a list of reads.

I think this guy is scum.
##Vote LightningStrike


There's 9 hours between this post and LS replying to his list. In these 9 hours, LS is pretty on top of things, his content isn't isolated to this list that was requested, and they're pretty relevant to the game. I don't think LS is particularly townie, but this is a pretty bullshit case on him.

It just feels like rels posted a weird question and then wanted to attach meaning to it so he put up this weird argument that doesn't even make sense. He even ignored that already noted scummy post from LS (the one where he's talking about conserving posts for the filter), the dude he's talking about.


#369
On December 15 2015 18:03 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 09:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 15 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:
Ls why should I not vote you ^^. Will be home to read and bomb soon

JESUS CHRIST I TOWN THIS GAME TOO THATS WHY. .....LIKE YOU JUST PLAYED WITH ME WHEN I HAD A TERRIBLE DAY 1. Anyways just got done with my last final and will read what I missed after that post.

Fuck he's probably town
##Unvote


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On December 15 2015 18:14 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 15:35 GiygaS wrote:
Still looking over everyone, but I'm sort of stuck on rels. Like I just don't understand his play coming from an experienced player (at least I presume he is based on posts). Like in addition to the things Koshi already said about him, his question seemed to go towards this weird meta-lynch on LS. Like look at this post:

On December 15 2015 08:05 Rels wrote:
I stayed up for posting this. I thought the deadline was 1 hour earlier.

Here is LS filter from the game I just played, in which he was town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/498635-dark-tournament-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike

Here is his filter from this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=LightningStrike

It's a schocking difference. LS as town in dark tournament mafia posted reads, questionned stuff and overall looked to solve the game. In this game, he had NO game-related post until I asked him for a list of reads.

I think this guy is scum.
##Vote LightningStrike


There's 9 hours between this post and LS replying to his list. In these 9 hours, LS is pretty on top of things, his content isn't isolated to this list that was requested, and they're pretty relevant to the game. I don't think LS is particularly townie, but this is a pretty bullshit case on him.

It just feels like rels posted a weird question and then wanted to attach meaning to it so he put up this weird argument that doesn't even make sense. He even ignored that already noted scummy post from LS (the one where he's talking about conserving posts for the filter), the dude he's talking about.

Here is the content LS produced between my question and my accution in those 9 hours, excluding the posts that answer to me:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry I been conserving my posts a little bit more as I had 1 page of posts already so I trying to limit myself a little bit now. But Koshi pretty much town for me atm. Also Damdred if you are here can you give me your thoughts on TT or other The smurf guy please?

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On December 15 2015 07:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 15 2015 07:52 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry I been conserving my posts a little bit more as I had 1 page of posts already so I trying to limit myself a little bit now. But Koshi pretty much town for me atm. Also Damdred if you are here can you give me your thoughts on TT or other The smurf guy please?


this is a very bad post. clearly reading the thread, clearly hyper aware of the post limit, has a motive for not posting frequently; yet in his hello senpai post he elects to give no content of his own and simply defers all content to damdred. i noticed you, even if no one else did.

I gave a read in that post plus asking Damdred about you?

Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 07:58 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 15 2015 07:56 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2015 07:54 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 15 2015 07:52 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Sorry I been conserving my posts a little bit more as I had 1 page of posts already so I trying to limit myself a little bit now. But Koshi pretty much town for me atm. Also Damdred if you are here can you give me your thoughts on TT or other The smurf guy please?


this is a very bad post. clearly reading the thread, clearly hyper aware of the post limit, has a motive for not posting frequently; yet in his hello senpai post he elects to give no content of his own and simply defers all content to damdred. i noticed you, even if no one else did.

I gave a read in that post plus asking Damdred about you?


you gave a 0 content town read on the guy spamming the thread who is probably never getting lynched on day 1 and whom the person who's opinion you're deferring to said he is never lynching day 1. it is the easiest read to just make offhand.

I had him null leaning town and was giving a update on my read on him.......................

Show nested quote +
On December 15 2015 08:03 LightningStrike wrote:
FYI I just finished a game+ Show Spoiler +
I won as VT
and can now focus more on this game now! Anyways I do think ritoky is town atm with his questioning towards.

You dirty liar.
##Vote GiygaS

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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 22:17 GMT
#1226
Dam you gonna pull some EoD shenanigans again or just die?
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 19 2015 16:31 GMT
#1312
On December 14 2015 22:57 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2015 17:42 GiygaS wrote:

Shape on the other hand took it as a calculated move on the mafia's part, which he's now abandoned. Seems to be going back and forth on a ton of theories with a sort of reckless abandon. Makes me lean town on him, and makes sense with his long stretch of no sleep. I still want to see what kind of posts he makes once he's more awake though. Speaking of sleep... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
.


Wait till you see drunken shapelog. Shit will hit the fan if i decide to get drunk while playing .


The prophecy has been fulfilled.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 20 2015 03:37 GMT
#1352
On December 20 2015 11:59 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2015 08:03 Half the Sky wrote:

Toy soldiers Koshi and kushm4sta (Town Vanilla), had been torn to pieces.


Oh wow n/m I fail at reading, just saw Kush when I glanced at this first.
...

Uhh, well then this is shit for us then.

5/3

Sorry Koshi.
>.<
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TT so town now it hurts. Packing my life to move for an internship so I won't be around tonight, but bought TL+ so I can archive all the filters and such for my flight tomorrow.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 20 2015 08:51 GMT
#1375
I'm pretty sure theres some errors in the way you set up your probability in that post, false dichotomy and all that. I'll look in to it tomorrow morning.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 20 2015 09:28 GMT
#1376
Fuck it, im not gonna sleep right now anyway. Let's assume you are telling the truth in your claim that you saw TT go to Kush's last night. There are multiple reasons this could happen:
- TT is blue (Doubt there's two trackers, and it cant be doc or jailer so either rb, or detective)
- TT is mafia (i.e. he used KP)
- TT is wanderer (i.e. Chocolate)
- TT got a gift of gun and used it on kush (NAI, very unlikely not even going to bother)
- TT got a non gun gift and used it on kush (NAI)

Note that these most likely won't add up to 1 since we're ignoring/fubbing a bunch of things. This is incredibly shady math and I hate myself for doing it, but it's better than the one above so I'll make the sacrifice.

Let's say there were 2-3 blue roles in the game. Save you, that means there's 1-2 left. We'll add an additional multiplier based on the specific blue role he had to get (1/4 since we'll ignore tracker). We'll also assume that if he is blue he purposefully visited kush.
P(TT is blue) = 0.03125 - 0.0625

Now we know there are 3 mafia. Then the chance mafia chose him to use kp is 1/3. (Assuming the mafia wanted to kill kush)
P(TT is mafia) = 0.125

With our assumption of 1-2 Blue, and 3 mafia. There are 3-4 greens left. Additionally apply odds of him getting chocolate (we'll say 1/4 again) and of him visiting kush (1/9).
P(TT is chocolate) = 0.01042 - 0.01389

We'll say there were 2-3 gifts handed out in general (out of the 13 players). For our purposes, the gifts that apply here are rolecheck, watcher, and visiting the person who gets nightkilled (this one is important). For the first two, odds are 1/9 he would visit kush. For the third, odds of him visiting kush would be 100%.
P(TT got a non-gun gift and used it on kush) = 0.02686 - 0.040293

Sum range: 0.19353 - 0.241683

"Actual" probability (just much closer) of each:
- TT is blue (Doubt there's two trackers, and it cant be doc or jailer so either rb, or detective) 12.9% - 32.3%
- TT is mafia (i.e. he used KP) 51.7% - 64.6%
- TT is wanderer (i.e. Chocolate) 4.3% - 7.2%
- TT got a gift of gun and used it on kush (NAI, very unlikely he wouldn't shoot vivax. Not even going to bother) ~0%
- TT got a non gun gift and used it on kush (NAI) 11.1% - 20.8%

Again, these are very rough, but closer.

Sleep time.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 20 2015 09:29 GMT
#1377
Note, chance of wanderer goes up if you think there can be more than 1.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 20 2015 09:31 GMT
#1378
All of the math above (especially shapes) really upsets me, as someone who is doing a Bachelors of Mathematics in CS :'(
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 20 2015 09:32 GMT
#1379
OH forgot conclusion. I still think TT is town, and would prefer lynching vobby or whatever the fuck we call him these days.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 20 2015 15:04 GMT
#1387
Shape look up the monty hall problem
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 20 2015 15:25 GMT
#1397
I also did put in the chance of actually getting the gift in my calculation so you didn't have to. I'm also applying modifiers in my own head (this doesn't affect the percentages) based on how scummy they're acting. The second part of your post is saying that he's too town to be town when that really doesn't make sense.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 20 2015 15:42 GMT
#1403
On December 21 2015 00:37 Shapelog wrote:
Giygas Khan is more and more like Khan everyday. The real Khan built schools and educated the mongrels. Now we find out that he has a math degree.

Just waiting for the Mongolian horde and for him to reveal that he has "rape" (some was rape, others did it actually to survive) people.

Wtf man. Wtf
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 20 2015 17:38 GMT
#1432
It's a really risky move on Shape's part to claim tracker as mafia since we've seen no blue roles flip yet. If we have one other tracker (maybe more than one-shot) than he's risking just outing himself immediately. If he was mafia it would be an high-risk low-reward play, where he was typing for 3 hours to do it. I just don't seem scum shape doing it.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 20 2015 17:39 GMT
#1434
It's so obviously that Vivax is scum though, so I'd prefer getting some breathing room tonight.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 20 2015 17:40 GMT
#1436
Holy shit you were working on it that entire time.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 20 2015 19:03 GMT
#1479
About to get on plane, gonna quickly post a list and vote.

Town (in order)
Shape
Tube

Scum (in order)
Vivax
Tt

Null (in order of scumminess)
Damdred
LS
Sukrit

##Vote Vivax
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 21 2015 04:19 GMT
#1538
My saved file was broken so I didn't get to read on the flight. Why did sentiment change from Vivax being the safe lynch to TT being the safe lynch?
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