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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 00:43 GMT
#995
TT making a case on ritoky is completely WIFOM isn't it? And you're blaming Damdred for the GB mislynch when TT was the one to hammer it after sticking on me until the last minute. I really don't understand people's townread on him.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 00:46 GMT
#1000
On December 17 2015 02:12 GiygaS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote:
Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay.


Could you elaborate TS?

Also @Tubesock can you explain what you meant here? I just don't understand what you were trying to say.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 01:17 GMT
#1017
agree with Dam here. If he was mafia and kush is town there's really no reason for him to swap. He had already made a vote, the spotlight would have been off him. That last minute swap means nothing if kush turns out town. That said, I'd prefer we don't lynch kush purely for this, he's been much better since yesterday at sticking around and making reads.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 01:19 GMT
#1018
For the record it is not my first game here, just first in many years, and first with Koshi.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 01:57 GMT
#1027
Don't think about it man, the situation is completely WIFOM. You're better off spending time looking at other things, otherwise you'll just go in circles.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 06:18 GMT
#1044
Just so people don't think I'm lying about exams that I'm incredibly stressed out about, here is a screenshot of my exam schedule: [image loading]

I have an exam in less than 8 hours so I'm going to sleep now. Read the tt wall, despite it not really giving a conclusion, it did give us a look in to his thought process. Towncred to him imo, the fact he wasn't very conclusive leads me to believe he's being honest about just not knowing rather than purposefully deceitful.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 12:20 GMT
#1070
On December 18 2015 14:02 Tictock wrote:
I know Gig says he's busy for a couple more days due to finals but I can't help but feel like it's an excuse since he's basically said he has no reads besides thinking I'm scum for stuff Rit said. Since I seem to be one of the minority concerned about Gig I suppose I'm ok giving him another day. Still if he pulls a Scott here I might get somewhat unbearable later.

Reason I posted the exam schedule post. Was pissed off people were thinking I was lying about an irl thing. A lot less pissed now after reading it again but that set me off for some reason.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 12:25 GMT
#1071
On December 18 2015 17:08 Tubesock wrote:
@GiygaS

First, your filter isn't very clear on Rels. What do you think. More importantly are you going to vote him?


With recent developments, Reps then TT then shape is scum list. I want to read post morning exam and decide based on that before I vote though.
On December 18 2015 17:08 Tubesock wrote:Secondly

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On December 15 2015 15:17 ritoky wrote:
On December 15 2015 15:12 Tubesock wrote:
On December 15 2015 14:38 ritoky wrote:
he went derpies over a missed joke backed up by 0 setup knowledge against a strong player in damdred. he is town. there are levels to this game. my read may be on another level if you don't get it.


Help me get to your level. I don't think he went "against" Damdred. He says it's a bit far fetched and that he took a note of it being possible and moved on. I agree with Sukrit that both sides make setup mistakes. He then talked primarily about Koshi and Sukrit. Maybe I'm thinking that going against someone is more like how Sukrit is on Koshi or you are on TT?

Even counting this as towny points, you can't say the rest of his posts are any good. Is this really the only thing you are looking at in evaluating Shapelog?


as of now it is literally the only thing i am evaluating him on because it is the only thing that matters. 1 moment can make someone irrevocably town or irreversibly mafia. it is good to recognize those moments and never forget them because the rest does not matter. they eye of the chupazi sees moments of truth, it wades through the spam and locates certainty in an uncertain world.

+ Show Spoiler +
if he goes and tries to put 8 lynches on town or gets tracked to a kill or some shit, then maybe i will reconsider but probably not cuz i like being right


+ Show Spoiler +
this message was hard to make on an ipad, fuck vacations; overrated


FYI I think this is actually the post that Shapelog was refering to as his "confirmed" town post. No, Ritoky didn't say the magic word, and confirmed usually means it's true for the entire playerbase, but to Ritoky Shapelog is "confirmed". I think that is where Shape got that from. It wasn't the list post that you quoted. I don't think it's a big point of yours, but if it is, it is wrong.

Nope, shape mentions the post I was talking about by name as the post that named him confirmed town. You should actually read my post.
On December 18 2015 17:08 Tubesock wrote:
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On December 17 2015 13:44 GiygaS wrote:
Gonna back off shape for time being after his recent activity. Still don't have him as scum but he's not my first choice (still tt in my head but I'll have to go over filter tomorrow to see why everyone else has changed their mind on him, his cases EoD1 didn't seem all that great)


I'm reading that as you meant "Still have him as scum but..." But I would like to know if anything has changed. I understand you are pressed for time. I would rather talk about your Rels vote, but you seem more interested in Shape. I guess TT also. I have you in my grey area. So, let's talk about something. Your top 3 vote candidates perhaps?

See above
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 12:39 GMT
#1072
Can you give more reasoning for wanting to lunch koshi beyond his changed thoughts? His thought process change is completely believable imo based on you two's history/his full on tilt mode yesterday.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 13:08 GMT
#1075
Tilt is a wonderful/awful thing. Besides that though, is there anything else that points him to being scummy.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 19:30 GMT
#1143
I'm around until EOD and then going to peace out probably for most of N2 to study. Going to read some filters and figure out wtf I think of the situation, after preliminary look at Rels filter I'm less sure on him. That and I'm already less sure of my TT and shape reads so I'll go over them and the Rels cases again to see what I was missing after going over filters. I feel like I'm back to like Day 1 where I had basically no scum reads.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 20:02 GMT
#1146
Rels did not OMGUS Dam. He had a case on him before dam even mentioned rels.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 20:49 GMT
#1157
Some things that irk me about Koshi:
- General confidence early game about townreads

- He goes from sure on me being scum (for a very bizarre reason but still very sure) to very confident I'm town because I backed off of two things, said I don't have any scumreads and gave him links to my previous game. He later states that he got a townread on me because it doesn't seem I'm on a team for the above reasons but ehhh.

- He's getting on Damdred for his EoD1 move, but hasn't brought up TT at all in that respect. He also simultaneously thinks kush is town, which is said so many times doesn't matter. Let's go over his reasons why Damdred did what he did from a mafia perspective (thoughts in bold):
On December 18 2015 10:30 Koshi wrote:
1) pretend to care about the lynch This could equally be town or mafia.
2) put suspicion on saved person. This is possible, but he would have to think that this puts a ton of suspicion on himself as well.
3) save teammate But you think kush is town. His move wouldn't have even saved kush unless TT hammered
4) wifom in every shape or form So it's a null read
5) yolo plays to look town So it's a null read

5 different reasons why mafia could do it. There are kore and some can be split up further.


I am sleeping 0229

Everybody who townreads damdred is a bad player.

So his move is either a null read or he's going for a very high-risk low-reward play at EoD.

- Calls GB town because he seems like a carefree town. Then swaps after drunk posts from GB that don't mean anything (these were only the only posts between tr->sr from GB).

- Reason he moved from TT to GB: because TT was posting (not backing off his scum tell), and GB was a liability. This seems like a bs reason abandon his TT lynch. During this swap, he moved GB to scum read, but he voted GB not because he had a scumread, but because GB was a liability.

- Had TT as a town read the next day because "There is no fucking way mafia!TT decided to be so active before the lynch and then made that ritoky is mafia case right before they shot ritoky." Later on the page he admits this is a wifom null read, and has very good reasons to scumread TT. So then why did he list him as town?

- points sukrit/onegu already brought up

Going to read through tt and then ls next. When I was reading through kush he seemed to bring up some good points. I don't like the Rels case at all right now, seems mostly based on Shape tinfoil team theories and general misinformation.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 21:04 GMT
#1162
TT, any updates on that first part of the game where you quoted LS?
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 21:08 GMT
#1165
On December 19 2015 05:49 GiygaS wrote:
- He's getting on Damdred for his EoD1 move, but hasn't brought up TT at all in that respect

Going to read through tt and then ls next. When I was reading through kush he seemed to bring up some good points. I don't like the Rels case at all right now, seems mostly based on Shape tinfoil team theories and general misinformation.

Retracting these pieces of information after further reading. Going to go over all of the Rels/Damdred stuff one more time before I move on.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 21:14 GMT
#1172
I was talking about the case on ls that kush brought up shape.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 21:15 GMT
#1174
Can someone point me at the cases against rels and damdred? I don't want to miss any. I know I made one on rels long ago but I don't know exactly who else has.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 21:16 GMT
#1177
On December 19 2015 06:14 Koshi wrote:
I don't even know how I could be mafia.

I have a null read on you for reasons above. You are not the priority to lynch right now though in my eyes.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 21:18 GMT
#1182
On December 19 2015 06:17 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2015 06:15 GiygaS wrote:
Can someone point me at the cases against rels and damdred? I don't want to miss any. I know I made one on rels long ago but I don't know exactly who else has.


Have you read any post this game? Seriously.

I have, and I have good ideas of both overall cases, but I'm trying to seriously evaluate them and I don't want to miss anything.
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GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
December 18 2015 21:18 GMT
#1183
And no, not talking about team case.
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