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On December 02 2015 09:21 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
Regarding Rels, I recall him being nitpicky from his town games but nothing about the nitpicking jumps out as scumlike. Trfel why do you think he's being opportunistic with DYH? (It was based off a read progression and not activity.)
I am not sure I understand the part on Rels. Him being nitpicky is town but his nitpicking (I assume in this game) doesn't seem scumlike? More things I want to look at: HtS case on LS. Rels. Not sure if I will get that done before going to bed though.
Also:
On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
I need to put my head down again since I'm still feeling pretty sick. Going to go through again Trfel/Damdred/Fidei/disformation etc. on a full re-read. I'm also having issues with town reads.
Right now, I need to flesh out Trfel a little more, same for disformation and LS. The lynch list right now is kush/DYH, Onegu is straight policy, but there's got to be an active mafia somewhere.
Palmar is probably town but this is a gut feel based on how he proceeded with the case.
Why did you want to re-read me here? That post was after you asked me some questions, but before I answered them.
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On December 03 2015 04:50 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 04:47 disformation wrote:On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote:
Yo.
If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup.
Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do.
Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched.
Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas I'm going to bring this up again. Please, hear me out, but I DO NOT WANT TO START A MECHANICS DISCUSSION. First, I will assume that the argument that Rels presents about the BoxeR claiming is 100% correct. No matter what. No questions asked. Just for the purpose of this argument. With this assumption, and two people telling the BoxeR to claim, it's important for this argument to be made as quickly as possible so that the BoxeR can see it and not claim. The thing is, Rels presents a really well-explained argument for this. It kind of feels too good to be true. He's already stopped to analyze the setups from a mafia perspective, and see what they know, and see what town knows. He's 100% sure that mafia doesn't know which setup the game uses, despite the standard Blazinghand newbie game using a similar four-option setup where the mafia team IS told the setup. Like, I know that Rels is good. But is he really this good? His first post of the game, 37 minutes after the day began.... It doesn't feel quite right.
Side note, I remember that Half the Sky mentioned that she'd only played with kushm4sta before in Carol of the Bells. Which is wrong, since we all played in I believe Student Mafia IV (one of the Student Mafia games, before the Newbie Student mafias), and kushm4sta was in that game and actually sort of played. He was mafia, so I'm surprised that Half the Sky forgot that. But I just remembered that kushm4sta actually was in Carol of the Bells. If you have any doubt that kushm4sta is capable of playing this lazily as town, look at his play from Carol of the Bells. He had (arguably) the most important town power role in the game. A mafia player baited the role to claim, and the entire thread yelled at how stupid that request was. Didn't matter, kushm4sta didn't care and just claimed his role and died. In retrospect, it was pretty darn hilarious, but at the time it was infuriating. Got noms. @the Rels part: you know that this is a fear read, right?^^ Meh. I don't like MoosyDoosy either. Nearly forgot about his flurry of one liner posts and then vanishing last night... *sigh* MoosyDoosy is mafia and you should vote him. "Fear read" is a stupid phrase (the only important thing it hints at is adding uncertainty/keeping options open, something like that, but it's much better to just say that and be specific). And this isn't a fear read, anyway. To me, Rels' post doesn't sound like it comes from town, and I described why. I'm not saying that Rels' play is towny, but he's capable of it as mafia so I'm scared of him. I'm saying that I don't think that this post comes from town and it's much easier to come from scum. Not making any conclusions yet but I'd like to see what people think about this post.
Okay, MoosyDoosy's filter is supar bad and as you have probably noticed I am not a fan.
Will respond to your stuff on Rels again in a moment.
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On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote:
Yo.
If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup.
Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do.
Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched.
Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas I'm going to bring this up again. Please, hear me out, but I DO NOT WANT TO START A MECHANICS DISCUSSION. First, I will assume that the argument that Rels presents about the BoxeR claiming is 100% correct. No matter what. No questions asked. Just for the purpose of this argument. With this assumption, and two people telling the BoxeR to claim, it's important for this argument to be made as quickly as possible so that the BoxeR can see it and not claim. The thing is, Rels presents a really well-explained argument for this. It kind of feels too good to be true. He's already stopped to analyze the setups from a mafia perspective, and see what they know, and see what town knows. He's 100% sure that mafia doesn't know which setup the game uses, despite the standard Blazinghand newbie game using a similar four-option setup where the mafia team IS told the setup. Like, I know that Rels is good. But is he really this good? His first post of the game, 37 minutes after the day began.... It doesn't feel quite right.
Okay. Let me try.
So you assume that the good play for town/boxeR is to not claim. Two people say the opposite. So Rels rushes to the help of town and presents a good argument why boxeR should not claim. So a) he is town or b) he wants the town cred.
He analyzes the setup, which is possible as either alignment.
hmmm... the op doesn't say whether mafia knows the setup or not... and you are right he seems pretty convinced that mafia does not know the setup. This part is kinda strange indeed...
The parts about it feels too good and is he this good confuse me a bit though. Like what do they add to this argument, besides making it look like a fear read a lot? =p
maybe I should go and read rels more in depth...
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On December 03 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 05:15 disformation wrote:On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote:On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote:
Yo.
If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup.
Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do.
Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched.
Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas I'm going to bring this up again. Please, hear me out, but I DO NOT WANT TO START A MECHANICS DISCUSSION. First, I will assume that the argument that Rels presents about the BoxeR claiming is 100% correct. No matter what. No questions asked. Just for the purpose of this argument. With this assumption, and two people telling the BoxeR to claim, it's important for this argument to be made as quickly as possible so that the BoxeR can see it and not claim. The thing is, Rels presents a really well-explained argument for this. It kind of feels too good to be true. He's already stopped to analyze the setups from a mafia perspective, and see what they know, and see what town knows. He's 100% sure that mafia doesn't know which setup the game uses, despite the standard Blazinghand newbie game using a similar four-option setup where the mafia team IS told the setup. Like, I know that Rels is good. But is he really this good? His first post of the game, 37 minutes after the day began.... It doesn't feel quite right. Okay. Let me try. So you assume that the good play for town/boxeR is to not claim. Two people say the opposite. So Rels rushes to the help of town and presents a good argument why boxeR should not claim. So a) he is town or b) he wants the town cred. He analyzes the setup, which is possible as either alignment. hmmm... the op doesn't say whether mafia knows the setup or not... and you are right he seems pretty convinced that mafia does not know the setup. This part is kinda strange indeed... The parts about it feels too good and is he this good confuse me a bit though. Like what do they add to this argument, besides making it look like a fear read a lot? =p maybe I should go and read rels more in depth... Maybe this is just not a good argument at all. One more try. The key word is that Rels is rushing to the aid of town. Rushing, because speed is important. And his post is extremely knowledgeable, and is a really comprehensive explanation. I find it hard to believe that he got confirmation that scum didn't know the setup in time to make this post, for example. If Rels was around earlier, he should have been posting. Town wouldn't avoid posting like that. Basically, Rels took extra time to make sure his argument was completely explained and correct, when town wants to post as quickly as possible. This makes me wonder if the motivation behind the post is, instead of helping town, to make himself look better, which would mean that Rels is mafia. The argument falls apart if Rels is good enough to make this post as town without taking much extra time, which is what I was trying to get at. That seems really unlikely, but I can't completely rule it out.
Hmm... did he need to wait for confirmation? Maybe he was reading the op and based on that formed an assumption? Though he sounds very convinced for an assumption...
So yeah this is shady and probably good to keep in mind. The is he good enough or not part is kinda WIFOM though. Don't want to lynch him over MD solely for that.
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On December 03 2015 04:57 Half the Sky wrote:
disformation - my focus was on "opportunistic" being scumlike, not "nitpicky" (second question), which can be for either alignment. I know he mentioned the word opportunistic, so that is why.
second question - I will admit I might be misremembering but again interactions with others as I missed some of the key events early on.
Getting through your last response now, and then will weigh in on the others.
Ahm I get the quote now, thanks. 
Yeah, it think I was answering Trfel's question and talked to Damdred about his answer to my question and got distracted by kush halfway through... after that I wrote the response to your question but you were already gone. Let me double check the timestamps, but I think this should be reasonable.
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On December 03 2015 05:39 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 04:57 Half the Sky wrote:
disformation - my focus was on "opportunistic" being scumlike, not "nitpicky" (second question), which can be for either alignment. I know he mentioned the word opportunistic, so that is why.
second question - I will admit I might be misremembering but again interactions with others as I missed some of the key events early on.
Getting through your last response now, and then will weigh in on the others. Ahm I get the quote now, thanks. Yeah, it think I was answering Trfel's question and talked to Damdred about his answer to my question and got distracted by kush halfway through... after that I wrote the response to your question but you were already gone. Let me double check the timestamps, but I think this should be reasonable.
Yeah, you said you want to re-read me after my interactions with Trfel and Damdred. I also kust went ahead and threw my vote at kush before that, too. Still want to see a follow up to that re-read + looking at my answers for you though. 
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A bit more than 2h until the deadline and we still have 5 ppl not voting and only one serious wagon...
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Hmm... was skimming through the rest of Rels filter. Looked pretty good to me.
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On December 03 2015 06:09 The Shining wrote:
I'm here. Work is hectic and its rainy which makes it worse but I'll catch up as fast as I can. Just don't flame me for missing anything.
I do see a few votes on MD. Anyone defending him or pushing a diff lynch at all?
nope.
On December 03 2015 06:09 Damdred wrote:
I'm not so sure moosey is mafia.
I've given other reads
however I think that LS is mafia and I should be sheeped on this.
Your timing is great. Was just like... "wait, LS is in this game..."
I also remember HtS case on him being decent... can you elaborate further?
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Okay, give me a moment to read LS filter.
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On December 03 2015 06:13 Damdred wrote:
Sure LS usually even if he is wrong is a strongish prescense in the thread giving his opinion and trying to get people to interact with him while he gives scum reads.
He lacks real reads in the thread, the few he has given have been little substance. The one scum read I can tell in his filter was Trfel that he has totally backed off of. He isn't looking to push anyone he is just existing.
Uh you are totally right. No current scum read, currently not trying to find scum. Not that many town reads either...
Short question to you though:
what was with your fidei vote earlier? What do you think of fidei now?
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On December 03 2015 06:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 12:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:I’ll be honest and say I love these “Moosy is useless but it’s NAI!” “Moosy is a weird af player, can’t read him now!” My name must spread far and wide. Like taking pride in this shit is basically the hallmark of a person too dumb to really play mafia.
To be totally honest: I totally do not like MoosyDoosy.
Last game, after nearly lynching himself as the martyr D1 he proceeded to shoot a nullread (who was town) over his two scum reads (who where also both town), cause he was convinced he would be able to lynch his both scum reads anyway.
I was one of those two scum reads, so I am a bit biased. To be fair my D1 last game was super horrible.
So I am probably at least somewhat biased against MoosyDoosy.
Meanwhile: upgrading Damdred's town lean to a town read. Give me a few mins to try and forget my dislike of MoosyDoosy to see, which lynch is think is better, since I a) nearly forgot LS was in this game (usually a bad sign) and b) the points Damdred has on him look pretty valid.
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On December 03 2015 06:44 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote:
Palmar, take a look at LightningStrike, but I'm not sure that I would trust Damdred.
If you avoid lynching MoosyDoosy because Damdred said so, I'll be extremely displeased. No, it's more of an internal fight. I have two conflicting goals and I don't know how to proceed. 1) I want to lynch useless shit people just because I don't want to play with them. vs 2) I want to actually win the game so it's technically better to pray these baddies get shot or checked while trying to lynch mafia. I do not believe your case for Moosy being mafia. I think it doesn't say much about his alignment. His filter is terrible, but it's not mafia terrible, at least not to me. It's just plain terrible. I will, however, look at LS like damdy asked me to.
Yeah, that sums up my current problem perfectly. Need to figure out if I really only vote MD cause I dislike his play so much, or if I really think he could flip scum.
I fear that Damdy is right and LS has a higher chance of actually flipping scum.
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Okay, okay. I kinda want to keep my town win streak more than I want to lynch MD for being useless... so let us lynch the one more likely to flip scum.
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Hm, I don't know. I don't really feel the town vibe in his post. Like the capslock turn me off, I guess. Also had to read it twice to guess what his stance on Damdred is.
But I haven't played a game with LightningStrike. I think I shadowed HtS in a game where LightningStrike was gunsmith, but I don't remember/recall him being that emotional.
What gives me a bit of a pause is that now nearly everyone is voting for LS. -.-
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On December 03 2015 07:51 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:50 The Shining wrote:
With the amount of voting reminders I've received, it wouldn't shock me if both MD and Onegu were modkilled. But that doesn't help us figure out the lynch here. I will say if either one ninjas in a vote before EoD and doesn't post anything, its going to look really bad. I know for a fact that Onegu's absence is NAI. ++ on Moosy. Can you read DYH's filter ? It is super short.
Yeah, his filter is also super bad. I was talking about this earlier. His last post before he vanished gave a bit of a pause, cause it makes less sense for scum...
fuck is this game hard.
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On December 03 2015 07:53 Damdred wrote:
There is a major difference between someone who is angry and someone who just uses capslock, wouldn't you agree?
On December 03 2015 07:49 disformation wrote:
Hm, I don't know. I don't really feel the town vibe in his post. Like the capslock turn me off, I guess. Also had to read it twice to guess what his stance on Damdred is.
But I haven't played a game with LightningStrike. I think I shadowed HtS in a game where LightningStrike was gunsmith, but I don't remember/recall him being that emotional.
What gives me a bit of a pause is that now nearly everyone is voting for LS. -.-
Seems like we are in agreement...
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On December 03 2015 07:58 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is. I also don't like how you sheeped and shut up but posted when being attacked
Since when am I your townread? In your last post I was one of the middleground dudes?
On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
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*facepalm*
wow, that went just great. -.-
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On December 03 2015 08:12 Rels wrote:
I try to shenanni on DYH and nothing happens.
fidei says something about kush and everybody switches.
fuck that I should have yelled
Wanted to switch to DYH, but decided to go into his filter and make a post...
I kinda want to restate that post, because I think he would be a good lynch so:
His reason for voting LS:
On December 03 2015 07:56 DoYouHas wrote:
What do you want from me Rels? I don't have good scumreads after dropping trfel. I sheep the wagon of 3 of my townreads in Damdred, disfo, and Palmar. It is what it is.
Last mention of me in his filter:
On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
So I am kinda asking myself where he got that magical TR on me from...
Taking a break now.
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