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On December 02 2015 07:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 06:11 disformation wrote:Ah nearly forgot to mention: The Shining was asking DYI about: On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? So I am looking forward to finding out whether DYH answered that.  Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote:On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night. On the Shining/Palmar interaction so far. Palmar seems town to me with the productive way he is pressuring. I also like his reasoning as he is going after Shining. That being said, everything after this post + Show Spoiler +On December 01 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:
Welp since I'm a moron so early in the game, I see no reason to talk to Palmar now or ever again this game. If you're town, consider the fact that you just pissed off a townie to the point where I'm going to think everything you're doing in this game is wrong. So you can have fun pushing the d1 mislynch in me or leave me around and bumping heads with me the rest of the game. Talking to you isn't going to get either of us anywhere and I'm done with it. Get me lynched if you want, I just think you're retarded and stubborn town at this point and I still think Fidei's post is a lot less fine than you make it out to be so there's no reason for me to try and convince you otherwise.
Strikes me as VERY townie. Fast, frustrated, and spiteful. The way he kept coming back for more after saying he was out feels like genuine emotional reaction to being pushed wrongly. Palmar basically pressured something that was a little out of place and then ran with it when Shining reacted poorly and went for OMGUS. For me that isn't enough for a lynch with my feel for Shining's play stated above.
You ninja you. 
On December 01 2015 19:12 Rels wrote:
Useful List of Useless People
Onegu
kushmasta
DoYouHas
Do stuff or be lynched.
Can we add MoosyDoosy to this list?
Also while we are mentioning Onegu:
On December 02 2015 00:29 Onegu wrote:
Onegu VT claim.
Be back later
I shadowed him once, when he was town and I vaguely remember some talk in that game about him claiming/not claiming VT. He simply does this as both alignments right?
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On December 02 2015 08:08 DoYouHas wrote:
Oh heck no. You all don't get to mislynch me my first game in 2 1/2 years with reasons this weak. Seems to me like the vocal Palmar and Rels had strong opinions on me with reasons that made sense for them and everyone else is limping onto the wagon due to confirmation bias or because it is easy with my small postcount.
So let's get into it.
Rels and I disagree on optimal blue play. Whatever, nothing came of it and it isn't a useful topic anymore. This is in no way scummy. I figured scum know the setup because that was my experience (in another BH game IIRC) however, it has been a long time since I played so I asked the question in case this is no longer standard. (In the same vein, could someone tell me what TMI stands for?)
Palmar didn't like that I defended Shining, or at least didn't like my reasons. He now agrees with me, moving on.
The "weird progression" on Trfel is just a misrepresentation. I'm not sure how me disagreeing with him and calling him crazy means I have a town read on him.
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I'm going to have a lot of afk time over the course of this game. I like sleep and I have a job where I can't post. Still going to put plenty of effort into playing, just don't have a wide window for posting.
So you still had a scum read on Trfel at the time? Did that read change? Do you have any other scum reads?
Also: If you don't have that much time why spend it all on defending yourself? You didn't even make your read on Trfel clear. 
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On December 02 2015 08:18 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 08:08 DoYouHas wrote:
Oh heck no. You all don't get to mislynch me my first game in 2 1/2 years with reasons this weak. Seems to me like the vocal Palmar and Rels had strong opinions on me with reasons that made sense for them and everyone else is limping onto the wagon due to confirmation bias or because it is easy with my small postcount.
So let's get into it.
Rels and I disagree on optimal blue play. Whatever, nothing came of it and it isn't a useful topic anymore. This is in no way scummy. I figured scum know the setup because that was my experience (in another BH game IIRC) however, it has been a long time since I played so I asked the question in case this is no longer standard. (In the same vein, could someone tell me what TMI stands for?)
Palmar didn't like that I defended Shining, or at least didn't like my reasons. He now agrees with me, moving on.
The "weird progression" on Trfel is just a misrepresentation. I'm not sure how me disagreeing with him and calling him crazy means I have a town read on him.
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I'm going to have a lot of afk time over the course of this game. I like sleep and I have a job where I can't post. Still going to put plenty of effort into playing, just don't have a wide window for posting. So you still had a scum read on Trfel at the time? Did that read change? Do you have any other scum reads? Also: If you don't have that much time why spend it all on defending yourself? You didn't even make your read on Trfel clear.
Ah, nearly forgot:
TMI is too much information. You know since mafia knows who is town and who is not, they sometimes can slip up and reveal to much information. Though I think I never saw this happen for real.
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@DYH can you also try to explain this part please?
On December 02 2015 07:21 disformation wrote:[...] He also DID respond to The Shining's questions... but I don't really agree with that: Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote:On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night. While I agree that cluttering up the thread or drowning out certain stuff on purpose is a strategy for scum and not good for town to do, but the comment on only posting strong read is a bit confusing to me. Like if people don't post their reads, and sometimes you just don't have amazing reads on a certain person or something, how is town going to figure out people's alignment? A dead thread with no information is super bad for town. So I rather have a lot of information than not enough information to figure out the game? Maybe I am misunderstanding, but I'd like him to explain this part a bit more as well, since it does not make a lot of sense to me.[...]
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On December 02 2015 04:27 Half the Sky wrote:
Regarding Rels, I recall him being nitpicky from his town games but nothing about the nitpicking jumps out as scumlike. Trfel why do you think he's being opportunistic with DYH? (It was based off a read progression and not activity.)
I am not sure I understand the part on Rels. Him being nitpicky is town but his nitpicking (I assume in this game) doesn't seem scumlike?
More things I want to look at: HtS case on LS. Rels.
Not sure if I will get that done before going to bed though.
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On December 02 2015 09:21 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 09:12 disformation wrote:@DYH can you also try to explain this part please? On December 02 2015 07:21 disformation wrote:[...] He also DID respond to The Shining's questions... but I don't really agree with that: On December 01 2015 11:36 DoYouHas wrote:On December 01 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:On December 01 2015 09:00 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm pretty happy with Damdred atm. With the exception of one point in his first post I feel like I've got the mind meld going with him... for now.
TLDR: you crazy trfel What was the one point in Damded's first point you didn't agree with? Do you have any other reads outside of Damdred? In his second point he encouraged us to all make as many reads as we can. A swarm of reads, particularly ones that aren't strong just scatter the focus of the thread and make rereads a quagmire. I dislike lots of lists. There are a few times when giving a more complete picture of how you view the game is useful, like right before the end of the night. While I agree that cluttering up the thread or drowning out certain stuff on purpose is a strategy for scum and not good for town to do, but the comment on only posting strong read is a bit confusing to me. Like if people don't post their reads, and sometimes you just don't have amazing reads on a certain person or something, how is town going to figure out people's alignment? A dead thread with no information is super bad for town. So I rather have a lot of information than not enough information to figure out the game? Maybe I am misunderstanding, but I'd like him to explain this part a bit more as well, since it does not make a lot of sense to me.[...] Will me further explaining my preferences as a player help you get a better read on me? Obviously I'm not in favor of a stagnant thread. I remember criticizing you pretty sharply in the obsQT of your last game for posting a bunch of lists and handing out weak reads like candy. That is what I do not like.
It helps me to understand your mindset, better, yes. Did read your comments in the obsQT of the last game. Made me laugh. xD
In all fairness my D1 last game was super bad. So yeah...
Just noticed that you are indeed voting Trfel. Probably need to look at your read on him and his filter again.
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On December 02 2015 09:36 Damdred wrote:
Disinformation
Eels
Damdred
Shining
Palmar
Leans
Trfel
Fid (falling)
Ls
Honestly it's notso bad so far even though I've read 0 filters.
Did you put me on top of your town pile on purpose?
More seriously: is/are the lists(s) ordered? I guess Eels is an auto correct mistake... but who is that supposed to be? To tired to reverse engineer that auto correct.
In the same vein: 2am here, probably going to bed very soon,
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On December 02 2015 10:03 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 09:36 Damdred wrote:
Disinformation
Eels
Damdred
Shining
Palmar
Leans
Trfel
Fid (falling)
Ls
Honestly it's notso bad so far even though I've read 0 filters. Did you put me on top of your town pile on purpose? More seriously: is/are the lists(s) ordered? I guess Eels is an auto correct mistake... but who is that supposed to be? To tired to reverse engineer that auto correct. In the same vein: 2am here, probably going to bed very soon,
Got it! Rels! That should have not taken me that long to figure out... should probably go to bed for reelz.
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Still at work. Will be at home in about 2 hours.
Some quick notes:
I liked that DYH backed up his scum read on Trfel with a vote. I super do not like, that basically his only interaction with the thread was him answering my questions and then vanishing. I also super do not like that I have no idea what he means with less productive:
On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels.
Didn't he have enough time or was he just not able to reach a conclusion? Does that mean these four ppl are null reads? Why was he not able to reach a conclusion? A lot of questions...
Willing to switch my vote... but:
On December 02 2015 21:27 kushm4sta wrote:
Some consolidation would be nice. That way we could get a claim well before deadline.
I agree that some consolidation would be nice... but remember this comes from the guy who has his vote on a person he thinks is "probably town, but maybe mafia"... Plus, so far he has done 0 to solve this game...
Kinda perplexed that I am the only one voting him...
That being said I need to look into Rels and Fidei when I get home. Also haven't looked too hard at HtS and LS. I skimmed HtS case on LS, which seemed reasonable, but I need to look at both of them some more to reach a conclusion.
On December 02 2015 23:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I just woke up, and I am not feeling any better. I'm headed to a doctor's appointment in an hour, but I am hoping to get back in thread barring anything serious.
I fully realise I have a shittonne to catch up on - if anyone has any questions for me, or anything specific they want me to weigh on, please prompt me and I'll do so when I return.
I hope it is nothing serious and get well soon!
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On December 03 2015 00:15 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 00:06 disformation wrote:I liked that DYH backed up his scum read on Trfel with a vote. I super do not like, that basically his only interaction with the thread was him answering my questions and then vanishing. I also super do not like that I have no idea what he means with less productive: On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. Didn't he have enough time or was he just not able to reach a conclusion? Does that mean these four ppl are null reads? Why was he not able to reach a conclusion? A lot of questions... ++ I dislike that very much too. Especially since this post is 5 hours after his other posts in the series of posts he did yesterday.
Yep. =/
Like I guess he doesn't want to "clutter" up the thread with some "weak" reads. But currently he only has very few reads and he could switch his vote where ever, which makes me uncomfortable. Hell, I am not even sure who he considers to be a mover and shaker and who not.
On December 03 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 22:26 Damdred wrote:
##vote fidel86
I'll answer trfel after coffee Ugh what you reason for voting James here? looked in your filter and couldn't find anything :o
This.
Also: How do you drink your coffee?
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On December 03 2015 00:29 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 00:15 Rels wrote:On December 03 2015 00:06 disformation wrote:I liked that DYH backed up his scum read on Trfel with a vote. I super do not like, that basically his only interaction with the thread was him answering my questions and then vanishing. I also super do not like that I have no idea what he means with less productive: On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. Didn't he have enough time or was he just not able to reach a conclusion? Does that mean these four ppl are null reads? Why was he not able to reach a conclusion? A lot of questions... ++ I dislike that very much too. Especially since this post is 5 hours after his other posts in the series of posts he did yesterday. Yep. =/ Like I guess he doesn't want to "clutter" up the thread with some "weak" reads. But currently he only has very few reads and he could switch his vote where ever, which makes me uncomfortable. Hell, I am not even sure who he considers to be a mover and shaker and who not. Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 00:23 LightningStrike wrote:On December 02 2015 22:26 Damdred wrote:
##vote fidel86
I'll answer trfel after coffee Ugh what you reason for voting James here? looked in your filter and couldn't find anything :o This. Also: How do you drink your coffee?
Ah well, he says who the middle ground ppl are. So these are not movers and shakers... but I still have to guess for the other ppl.
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Okay, back home. If there are any questions for me: I'll gladly answer them.
Otherwise I'll be looking into fidei now.
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Hm... looking at Fidei86. That is not an easy one, I def. like the first ~ 1 1/2 pages of his filter up to the post from earlier today. You know that one:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote:
Eh, I went to the cinema yesterday evening and then spent the rest of it catching up with friends. I have time at lunch time and will catch up. My old town meta, insofar as you think it was different, was before I totally fucked up the last Newbie game, which has really changed the way I view everything (and made me much less sure about myself).
Obviously that read was super early on you Rels. I don't think the post you quoted necessarily disproves what I said though. Totally you were a lot more combative in your opening than I have seen previously - there is a difference between scum reading someone and calling someone out.
The thing that concerns me about your play over the last day or so is that as scum you typically just nitpick/chase up nitpicks, and do so relentlessly. It's good scum play, as people can't say you're not contributing.
I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >>
Not super sure what to make of it right now, since the earlier parts of his posts gave me a strong town vibe. Maybe too tunneled on Rels?
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On December 03 2015 02:58 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 02:54 disformation wrote:Hm... looking at Fidei86. That is not an easy one, I def. like the first ~ 1 1/2 pages of his filter up to the post from earlier today. You know that one: + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote:
Eh, I went to the cinema yesterday evening and then spent the rest of it catching up with friends. I have time at lunch time and will catch up. My old town meta, insofar as you think it was different, was before I totally fucked up the last Newbie game, which has really changed the way I view everything (and made me much less sure about myself).
Obviously that read was super early on you Rels. I don't think the post you quoted necessarily disproves what I said though. Totally you were a lot more combative in your opening than I have seen previously - there is a difference between scum reading someone and calling someone out.
The thing that concerns me about your play over the last day or so is that as scum you typically just nitpick/chase up nitpicks, and do so relentlessly. It's good scum play, as people can't say you're not contributing.
I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >>
Not super sure what to make of it right now, since the earlier parts of his posts gave me a strong town vibe. Maybe too tunneled on Rels? Currently on 12/26, but caught up with thread. Unfortunately my play style tends to be to focus more on the people I think I have a handle on. When there are players I don't know (eg you, disinformation) or that I struggle with (Damdred, Palmar), I have a habit of just parking them in the "figure out later" pile. It's a lazy trait, admittedly. Will try and snap out of it with my next analysis.
Damn. I thought we played in a game together once, was looking at my old games, but I didn't find you. I thought I remembered you being really towny in some game. Probably in one of the games I was a Shadow...
So do you have any scum reads atm?
Also:
On December 02 2015 22:26 Damdred wrote:
##vote fidel86
I'll answer trfel after coffee
Does Damdred drink coffee out of containers? :p
Also #2:
Might have found something, when looking at HtS filter, need a moment do double check timestamps and stuff.
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On December 03 2015 03:10 Trfel wrote:I think that DoYouHas is a really awful lynch for today. Show nested quote +On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. First, assuming that if DoYouHas is scum, he is playing to survive and is not giving up. This isn't a post that scum would make. Scum would need to come up with an argument here, some sort of post or push on someone. The absolute worst thing for survival is to do nothing. But doing nothing is likely to come from town who can't conclusively find scum, especially if he is holding himself to only using strong reads, as he said earlier. Looking at DoYouHas' posts about 18 hours ago, I don't really think that those posts come from scum who is giving up. It's possible, but less likely I think.
Hm? I have seen a bunch of scum giving up early D1 to not give information/out of frustration. scott did this one game (I think it was NSM10), Sulfurus did this in NSM13. Breshke just straight up vanished D2 in NSM17.
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I am glad kushm4sta is starting to do stuff, despite having only one vote on him. Might be lazy town after all... let me double check my HtS thing though.
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On December 03 2015 03:20 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 03:15 disformation wrote:On December 03 2015 03:10 Trfel wrote:I think that DoYouHas is a really awful lynch for today. On December 02 2015 14:14 DoYouHas wrote:
Well reading the filters of my middleground group (Fid, HtS, LS, disfo) was significantly less productive than I had hoped.
Gnight folks
@LS - I would like to hear your feelings towards Palmar, Damdred, and Rels. First, assuming that if DoYouHas is scum, he is playing to survive and is not giving up. This isn't a post that scum would make. Scum would need to come up with an argument here, some sort of post or push on someone. The absolute worst thing for survival is to do nothing. But doing nothing is likely to come from town who can't conclusively find scum, especially if he is holding himself to only using strong reads, as he said earlier. Looking at DoYouHas' posts about 18 hours ago, I don't really think that those posts come from scum who is giving up. It's possible, but less likely I think. Hm? I have seen a bunch of scum giving up early D1 to not give information/out of frustration. scott did this one game (I think it was NSM10), Sulfurus did this in NSM13. Breshke just straight up vanished D2 in NSM17. Oh, it happens a ton. I just don't feel that DoYouHas' series of posts is that of scum who is giving up. Do you disagree? Assuming that those posts are not from scum giving up, then that means that if he is scum, something changed in those ~5 hours that led him to give up. I'm going to say there's basically no way that he made that post for a WIFOM play, that's just so unlikely that I refuse to consider it as a possibility. I don't think that DoYouHas is 100% town, but he's probably town, and almost definitely a bad lynch for today. Do you disagree with anything? Am I missing something?
Hm. Yes, that last post is a bit strange from the perspective. I guess scum would just not post any more at that point and just GTFO...
boy this game is getting hard already and it is only D1. xD
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On December 03 2015 03:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2015 02:54 disformation wrote:Hm... looking at Fidei86. That is not an easy one, I def. like the first ~ 1 1/2 pages of his filter up to the post from earlier today. You know that one: + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2015 19:05 Fidei86 wrote:
Eh, I went to the cinema yesterday evening and then spent the rest of it catching up with friends. I have time at lunch time and will catch up. My old town meta, insofar as you think it was different, was before I totally fucked up the last Newbie game, which has really changed the way I view everything (and made me much less sure about myself).
Obviously that read was super early on you Rels. I don't think the post you quoted necessarily disproves what I said though. Totally you were a lot more combative in your opening than I have seen previously - there is a difference between scum reading someone and calling someone out.
The thing that concerns me about your play over the last day or so is that as scum you typically just nitpick/chase up nitpicks, and do so relentlessly. It's good scum play, as people can't say you're not contributing.
I think you're probably town now, with the only reason being that I think scum Rels probably doesn't pick a fight with me, at least not this early. As you say, we have played a fair bit together, so I think you'd be wary of me. That's hardly a good reason, as it requires you having a high opinion of me. >>
Not super sure what to make of it right now, since the earlier parts of his posts gave me a strong town vibe. Maybe too tunneled on Rels? What do you mean "tunneled on Rels" ?
The post I quoted is heavily focused on you specifically.
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On December 03 2015 04:09 Palmar wrote:
I like how you didn't even finish your sentence on me.
Nevertheless, I'm going to vote moosy. Trfel's idea prompted me to read his filter. His filter is absolute trash.
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 03 2015 04:10 Palmar wrote:
It's seriously demotivating to have so many deadweight players who don't play to win this game (kush, moosy, onegu).
Well, at least kush started to do _something_... but yeah...
Brb a bit, dinner time
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On December 03 2015 04:44 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2015 08:37 Rels wrote:
Yo.
If you're boxer you fucking shut up. There is two possible mafia setups: one with two possible town setups with one boxer each so it doesn't matter. And one when we have either boxer + vet, or cop + vig. In that last case, mafia wants to roleblock their kill target in the vet setup, or roleblock someone else on the cop + vig setup.
Boxer claiming would make them know what is the thing to do.
Tldr if you're boxer you shut up unless you're getting lynched.
Tldr 2 the two people pushing for boxer to claim are suspicious. Damdred and doyouhas I'm going to bring this up again. Please, hear me out, but I DO NOT WANT TO START A MECHANICS DISCUSSION. First, I will assume that the argument that Rels presents about the BoxeR claiming is 100% correct. No matter what. No questions asked. Just for the purpose of this argument. With this assumption, and two people telling the BoxeR to claim, it's important for this argument to be made as quickly as possible so that the BoxeR can see it and not claim. The thing is, Rels presents a really well-explained argument for this. It kind of feels too good to be true. He's already stopped to analyze the setups from a mafia perspective, and see what they know, and see what town knows. He's 100% sure that mafia doesn't know which setup the game uses, despite the standard Blazinghand newbie game using a similar four-option setup where the mafia team IS told the setup. Like, I know that Rels is good. But is he really this good? His first post of the game, 37 minutes after the day began.... It doesn't feel quite right.
Side note, I remember that Half the Sky mentioned that she'd only played with kushm4sta before in Carol of the Bells. Which is wrong, since we all played in I believe Student Mafia IV (one of the Student Mafia games, before the Newbie Student mafias), and kushm4sta was in that game and actually sort of played. He was mafia, so I'm surprised that Half the Sky forgot that. But I just remembered that kushm4sta actually was in Carol of the Bells. If you have any doubt that kushm4sta is capable of playing this lazily as town, look at his play from Carol of the Bells. He had (arguably) the most important town power role in the game. A mafia player baited the role to claim, and the entire thread yelled at how stupid that request was. Didn't matter, kushm4sta didn't care and just claimed his role and died. In retrospect, it was pretty darn hilarious, but at the time it was infuriating.
Got noms.
@the Rels part: you know that this is a fear read, right?^^
Meh. I don't like MoosyDoosy either. Nearly forgot about his flurry of one liner posts and then vanishing last night... *sigh*
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