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Alright, I want to break down this post by OO because it makes me so much more sure that he's mafia here. He suddenly started scumreading me for reasons which are all either null or misrepresented. There's no way a town player can believe this.
On November 29 2015 08:31 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2015 08:08 ANickelDrink wrote:On November 29 2015 08:01 ObviousOne wrote:On November 29 2015 07:33 ANickelDrink wrote:
Did only koshi and chrome play my pretend vigi game? That's no fun at all Hours ago I would have said TT having been the other wagon but I just re-read his filter and now I would say Chrom for how retardedly 1-demensional and shallow I perceive his tunnels D1 to be. sry no musical accompaniment flesh out that chrome read it sounds like something solid point 1: his idea of how i went about interrogating sl regarding his rolehunting "joke" was apparently so bad it must have come from mafia, not from a genuinely confused and interrogative townie. never considered this, suits a specific agenda point 2: sucking up to GB/marv, one who we know is town and the other who i'm relatively confident is town point 3: vote on vivax justified by a playstyle choice alone, that vivax wanted to focus on one agenda instead of multiple, which i guess is his thing now. point 4: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25151168 "I thought [they were mafia]" implying he doesn't think that at the time of this post or he's unaware he's leaking his knows our alignments point 5: his vivax vote post feels like how i would "choose" between two town wagons as maf, or in the case that my read on TT is completely off then obviously the town wagon instead of the mafia wagon. there's some feelers for you
Each of these points sounds okay at first, but I'll go through each of them and explain why they're complete BS.
Point 1: I am mafia because I think his rolehunting comment was scummy.
OO never explains how this makes me mafia, because he can't. OO just says that I "never considered" that he's town for making that comment. You could make this argument about every possible point in the game (I could say that OO "never considered" that I could be town for calling him out on the rolehunting comment). AT WORST, this point makes me bad (even though I actually have explained my point).
Point 2: I am mafia because I "sucked up" to GB and marv.
I don't even know what this means. Is OO saying that I'm mafia because I townread GB and marv? That makes no sense. Is he saying I'm mafia because I joked around with them early on..? Makes even less sense.
Point 3: I am mafia because I voted Vivax for a playstyle choice alone.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/498066-haunted-mansion-mini-mafia?page=31#603
Here's my Vivax read. It was based on a) Vivax's mindset not making sense and b) Vivax being uninterested in figuring out the game. Neither of those are a playstyle choice, they are both alignment-indicative and legitimate reasons to vote (although they turned out wrong). OO is trying to paint my vote for Vivax as being for BS reasons, when it was percectly justified. IN ADDITION, marv (and I think TT) was pushing Vivax for the exact same reasons. How can OO think that I'm mafia for my reasons when confirmed town had the same reasons?
Point 4: I am mafia because I said "I thought they were mafia".
This is probably the worst point of them all. Everyone should go read that linked post. In there, I was explaining my D1 read progression. When I'm describing my early D1 reads, I say "I thought TT and OO were mafia" because I'm describing something that happened in the past. OO tries to nitpick this here and somehow call me mafia for using the past tense? I absolutely cannot understand how a townie could legitimately make this read.
Point 5: I am mafia because my Vivax vote post feels off.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/498066-haunted-mansion-mini-mafia?page=33#650
This is my vote post. Note that in the thread, I had already made it clear that I did NOT want to lynch TT and that I wanted to lynch Vivax, so there's no "choosing" going on here. I had already clearly made my choice, how can this feel like how a mafia would "choose" between two town wagons? The post is literally putting my vote down on my scumread before leaving. OO is misrepresenting.
All of these points on me sound reasonable at first, but when you look at them closer they're either filled with misrepresentation or just don't make any sense. Mafia make reasonable-sounding cases that are actually scummy BS. OO is mafia.
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PLEASE tell me if you want me to explain one of these points more. I might have gotten a bit ranty in there and I hope it all makes sense.
I really, really think that OO needs to be the lynch today.
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On November 29 2015 12:10 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2015 09:12 ANickelDrink wrote:
Your stuff on GB is really on point actually. His EoD and his bartering lynches really gave me a bad feeling.
From what you're saying a glowingbear flip would be really telling. It would basicaly make me think you and sn0 are both town based on how he is so adamant about you both being opposite alignments. He dismissal of chrome while saying it has merit is weird too. Makes me want to look at OO again but I'm not sure he's done a whole lot since I last looked.
TT, why would you not use your pretend gun on GB since you have so much dirt on him? What EXACTLY is good? Drunk senses Is calling scott máfia
For one, I'm getting a good townvibe off tictock now. He was most of your D1. I know, people are wrong especially you but that's one point.
Your reasoning behind voting tictock over vivax were shaky, saying you wanted to see if you were right and such. Tictock points this out.
You telling people to vote tictock so they can use him for associative reads sounds scummy to me as well. You literally say to koshi (copy/pasting rather than digging through the tictock post)
On November 27 2015 06:34 GlowingBear wrote:
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On November 27 2015 06:32 Koshi wrote:
Yeah chrom is not happening. Great.
It's not.
If you're certain he is mafia, you should vote Tictock
Maybe I read this wrong? How does koshi being sure that chrome is mafia at this point an indication that he should vote tictock instead?
I honestly don't want to re-hash tictock's whole post GB. I'm not saying you're my top scumread over sn0 or a lurker but the things tictock brings up have merit.
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Oh look it's all the people who've been talking all game again.
All we need is koshi to show up and we can all mosh pit while 3+ people stay afk
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Chrome just kinda blew OO's post out of the water. Am I wrong?
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TT, I logically understand what your point is with some of those posts (attitude on marv, accusing you for only defending yourself) but a lot of them I think are pretty null (agreeing with my point on OO, doing association reads, saying I want to be right). And the ones where I logically see your point, I just don't get the same feeling from looking at his play as a whole. Sorry I can't explain it better.
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On November 29 2015 12:34 ANickelDrink wrote:
Chrome just kinda blew OO's post out of the water. Am I wrong?
No, you're totally right.
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I AM DRUUUUUUUUUUNK
SCUM TEAM IS OO SNO AND SCOTT
BYE BYE
DRUNK AENSES NOT SO SURE ON OO THO
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MAYBS BOXERFRED
ONEGU IS TOWN ACCORDINGLY TO DRUNK SENSES
I LUV U
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can your drunk senses tell me the difference between scott and bf?
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On November 29 2015 15:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I AM DRUUUUUUUUUUNK
SCUM TEAM IS OO SNO AND SCOTT
BYE BYE
DRUNK AENSES NOT SO SURE ON OO THO
Actually totally on board with that team.
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Yesterday was wild
I wonder how drunk me can have completely different reads than sober me
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Wow, I was expectingto haveome catching up to do, but nobody is around on the weekend?
Point 4 in OO's post on Chrom was super weak, the rest of it felt decent. I actually approve of the point about not considering town modivations, but thats an easy thing for town to overlook too when they get on a train of thought (aka tunneling).
I wouldn't call Chroms response blowing it out of the water, but it was a solid response post.
Idk, I kinda think both OO and Chrome are town, OO is the guy I'm less sure about though.
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I feel like shit. Ok I am actually reading this time. Placeholder vote for now.
##Vote Koshi
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On November 29 2015 23:29 Tictock wrote:
Wow, I was expectingto haveome catching up to do, but nobody is around on the weekend?
Point 4 in OO's post on Chrom was super weak, the rest of it felt decent. I actually approve of the point about not considering town modivations, but thats an easy thing for town to overlook too when they get on a train of thought (aka tunneling).
I wouldn't call Chroms response blowing it out of the water, but it was a solid response post.
Idk, I kinda think both OO and Chrome are town, OO is the guy I'm less sure about though.
This started on shit days for americans. We just had a big holiday and then alot of people will go shopping this weekend because of the deals. And weekends are always slow.
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Actually thinking about it more OO's reads and progression on them has been really lackluster.
Humm, I'll ponder while at work.
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TT unlynchable. Chrom and OO no clue atm. Bit in favor of Chrom cuz OO decided to do nothing but whine and bitch. Havent read chrom defense though. Probably big in favor of Chrom.
Snowman is giving us nothing to work with.... Think I will lynch him so we dont lose vs an afk scumteam.
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