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Abstimmung - Tag 6
GlowingBear (1): Benevolent ghosts
Nicht abgestimmt (5): Koshi, Chromatically, ObviousOne, GlowingBear, Vengeful spirits
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the spirits favor chrom for town over gb, i will follow their wisdom
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Abstimmung - Tag 6
GlowingBear (2): Benevolent ghosts, ObviousOne
Nicht abgestimmt (4): Koshi, Chromatically, GlowingBear, Vengeful spirits
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if you need to see how i play as mafia you can check my past games on my profile page, the lines with red text specifically
nothing i've done this game was particularly insightful or clever, at least in my own opinion. no coherent plan or agenda and certainly lots of sheeping and waffling to boot.
if you want to see the prototype for how i would ideally play scum that's Smurf Mini, where i basically calculated my way to scum victory together with BH by planning who i would finger as suspects and in the end kept only the least readable townie (as a smurf) alive as bait for the other townie to vote with me and clinch the victory. planning, patience, measured and calculated reads. ofc that was the perfect scenario where nobody in-game knew who i was other than my partner until it was over.
compare to this game. where did i hold back? how many errors did i make and not give a single fuck? i still don't give a fuck whatever chrom's early case on me was. i'm being accused of "dumb tells" but that's legit not even what's happening. i'm just going off memory, feeling, and whatever way the wind blows. koshi's filter is a good representation for how easy it has been to waffle this game, nobody is calling him scum for changing his mind every 20 minutes while it dictates his internal monologue. i simply don't bother to post the monologue at all. i'm not an important part of the machine as far as intelligent reads are concerned, nor do i consider myself capable of them, so what's the point?
i battled with some depression early in the game and got shitty with chrom and that's in the past, now all i want to do is not get mislynched since the save missed. we can't lynch me just to make the game solvable so that theory went out the window.
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just to give a bit of insight into why i said i cave when shit doesn't go my way as mafia, this is how i gauged thread sentiment and identified key allies in the town circle after i replaced into smurf mini mafia from a shitty position with a mafia lynch d1 and took it home
+ Show Spoiler +
as mafia i lock myself into a specific paradigm on the game, even if it's not fleshed out and documented like this example, and don't leave myself much room to change. i think that contrasts highly with the pretty shameless and reckless [borderline criminal] flippity-floppyness i've demonstrated this game. mafia oo is pretty scared to slip up and that results in slipping up at some point. where was i scared this game? i've been angry, depressed, silly, stupid, but i challenge anyone to classify me as scared.
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I actually wanted to vote chrom for pressure but TT/marv take rrsponsability.
I will auto vote gb tomorrow
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On December 10 2015 07:53 Koshi wrote:
I actually wanted to vote chrom for pressure but TT/marv take rrsponsability.
I will auto vote gb tomorrow
Ok
GG
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WOW that would have been so so sick if that save play had worked, gotta respect the balls that took.
Koshi, do you feel confident it's not OO now?
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The fact that GB basically gave up while OO makes a big post about why he's town feels wrong to me. And I agree with what SL said about OO's dumbtells before he died too.
I would have like no reservations about voting OO today except for the fact that marv and TT and maybe Koshi don't agree at all. It could just mean I'm tunneled the wrong way but I honestly think that OO is a better lynch than GB here.
Like, I see what marv and TT are saying about the associations with FF and scott, and I agree that they're legitimate points. But some of the conversations with GB and FF really do not feel mafia on mafia to me. Stuff like this:
On November 28 2015 06:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2015 06:22 ANickelDrink wrote:On November 28 2015 06:18 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2015 04:06 Chromatically wrote:Just to expand on OO: On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote:
this feels like the slowest day 1 I've been a part of on this site in ages, if not ever. not for lack of posts but for lack of substance. i thought the wordy derpy phase we had at the start was indicative of a bunch of people who wanted to talk but that doesn't seem to be the case. this has led to an environment where the mafia don't have to post at all to blend in, because so few topics have been discussed. i know obviously i'm a part of this particular problem, but it's also become something of a systemic issue.
koshi who is arguably one of the greater forces in this game has it in his head that people will run his errands, which is fine as a character but is kind of silly to expect anyone to jump however high it is he expects. his effort to assert dominance can have subtle effects on the game. a sort of bystander effect where everyone who wants the same information might end up waiting for another person to do it, therefore nobody does it, and nothing is accomplished. the paradigm that comes along with setting himself up as the tip of the power pyramid which may or may no be in jest, i've played with koshi before and he's had a similar attitude about things. nobody wants or needs to challenge him so the whole thing is hollow anyway. like i said before, plenty of room in the shadows with the rest of us.
the issue with having marv in game is that everyone expects godly-play town or shitty-play mafia, when it's probably a bit of both that he's aiming for. posting less when town and slightly more than he feels comfortable with as mafia is how he gets to balance his play so he's not immediately outed when he's mafia. no idea what his alignment is and really nobody should care what he does until he, you know, does something. more useless conversation around this topic. Read this rant, and then look through OO's filter, especially after he makes this post, and see how inconsistent it is. This really feels like OO faking emotion to make it seem like he cares about the game. I don't think anyone so obviously uninvested in this game supposedly cares so much about it. On November 26 2015 11:26 ObviousOne wrote:
brace yourselves
thanksgiving is coming
i guess that's why i got the mail reminding me to vote. anyone looking for sheeple? On November 26 2015 19:17 ObviousOne wrote:
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i have preconceptions about vivax that lead me to believe he is capable of much more but is phoning it in this game. i had the same feeling before in student mafia xv and he was town there, so it might be melding the town and mafia sides of his play or that might just be i need to lower my expectations considerably. the difference between marv and vivax is that i don't have any personal heuristics on how to read vivax whatsoever. fuck, in that student game he pretty much blew off all my questions and i was kinda miffed about the whole thing.
tictock still in my talent pool for today's lynch but not feeling it as strongly as others are, haven't really reviewed his recent posts but he's out of the top of the list for now
sn0 could be added to it i think, but that's a reflection of my thoughts regarding how things seem to usually go down when marv is in a game. i sort of like the idea he had to avoid starting a conflict with SL in favor of seeing tictock's response to his wagon. ugh but the smurf stuff and the marv stuff. icky mess.
boxer situation is hilarious but not gonna take him off my candidate list for today.
fefe hasn't hit his stride yet or is mafia, don't know which.
as for scott, for some reason i have it in my mind that he just rarely actually participates (at least in games we're been in together, pretty sure he's been modkilled in one of them), and that's been when he was town. so i can't judge him based on his participation / engagement. can reflect on him if we find out for sure tictock's or maybe even GB's alignment.
feeling less good about SL but there seems to be the feeling of progression in his filter and i owe him a HJ for saving my life last game.
honestly i should just delete this instead of posting it but whatever
strongest to weakest feels regarding likelihood of mafianess
{boxer onegu} strongerest
{sn0 SL fefe} less stronk
{tictock scott vivax} middling
{everyone else}
oh look a pyramid scheme koshi wouldn't want to be at the top of, lel
i'm not locked into this vote but i better vote so i don't get rekt
between onegu and boxer i'm gonna go with the 'gu bc boxer made a funny
#vote: onegu I could just be reading into this too much, but I thought it was really weird how he comes back to the thread with a nonchalant attitude, asking people who he should sheep. Then, in the next post is a giant list with a bunch of back-and-forth reads, ending with a vote on Onegu (?). Those are two different mindsets ("hey I'll sheep someone" vs "look at me I'm trying"), which I think makes more sense from mafia who wanted to act like they were contributing but forgot that it was inconsistent with their attitude. (you can ignore this if you think it's stretching, it was just something I felt) I think this is the most important point:He votes Onegu out of nowhere and then peaces out for a while. Then, when he comes back and it's clear that Onegu isn't happening (the votes were 4 Vivax - 2 TicTock, no one talking about Onegu), he doesn't consolidate or take a stance on the lynch at all like he claimed he would in the above post. Actually, he never actually takes a stance on the lynch of Vivax vs TicTock, even when it's really clear that those are the wagons. This shows him being really disconnected from the thread, just popping in to make a "contribution" when needed. Other stuff: He's very interested in posting whenever people express suspicion of him (happens both with me and with FF). I don't think the points I had against him earlier were weak either (jumped on the rolehunting comment and had a bad explanation for it, overreacted to suspicion). Chrome, I agree with most of things you say about OO. If I lynch him would you give me my lynch? See, I was super excited that I had such a strong town toneread on your day one that a went and found that bear mask from a while ago. It's still here I'm just not sure I want to put it on anymore, you know? OH PLEASE DO IT FF IT HAS BEEN AGES SINCE YOU DID IT
I know it's not conclusive, but as far as the associations go I think OO's is much worse than GB's. This sort of stuff is not how I think mafia talk to each other.
And just overall on GB's play, I think there are way more reasons to think that he's town than there are for OO. I think his D1 lynch stuff was really town.
It would be really nice if we could talk to marv about it because I don't know why he doesn't agree on OO.
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What do you think Koshi? I need someone to tell me I'm being tunneled if I am.
We agreed on this yesterday though so I assume you still think so?
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On December 10 2015 07:20 ObviousOne wrote:
if you need to see how i play as mafia you can check my past games on my profile page, the lines with red text specifically
nothing i've done this game was particularly insightful or clever, at least in my own opinion. no coherent plan or agenda and certainly lots of sheeping and waffling to boot.
if you want to see the prototype for how i would ideally play scum that's Smurf Mini, where i basically calculated my way to scum victory together with BH by planning who i would finger as suspects and in the end kept only the least readable townie (as a smurf) alive as bait for the other townie to vote with me and clinch the victory. planning, patience, measured and calculated reads. ofc that was the perfect scenario where nobody in-game knew who i was other than my partner until it was over.
compare to this game. where did i hold back? how many errors did i make and not give a single fuck? i still don't give a fuck whatever chrom's early case on me was. i'm being accused of "dumb tells" but that's legit not even what's happening. i'm just going off memory, feeling, and whatever way the wind blows. koshi's filter is a good representation for how easy it has been to waffle this game, nobody is calling him scum for changing his mind every 20 minutes while it dictates his internal monologue. i simply don't bother to post the monologue at all. i'm not an important part of the machine as far as intelligent reads are concerned, nor do i consider myself capable of them, so what's the point?
i battled with some depression early in the game and got shitty with chrom and that's in the past, now all i want to do is not get mislynched since the save missed. we can't lynch me just to make the game solvable so that theory went out the window.
This post could be genuine, but I really don't think talking about "I would have done this as mafia" is that hard.
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AND THE MAFIA HAMMERED SNO OVER OO TOO I forgot for a bit
why do these things not sway you at all marv
ugh
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On December 10 2015 13:19 Chromatically wrote:
What do you think Koshi? I need someone to tell me I'm being tunneled if I am.
We agreed on this yesterday though so I assume you still think so?
I think it was a pretty good save because if GB isn't mafia you probably are 
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I don't know anymore. I have given everything yesterday on Onegu. I cba to pick between GB and OO. Only Onegu had to die. I can lose to both OO and GB... Like.. I just don't know who to pick.
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If OO is mafia the loss sucks more though. We had him on D2 and GB played more townie early days.
I don't know if it is mafia!OO playing better because the win is getting closer, or mafia!GB playing worse because it has been going bad for mafia...
It is a bit of a contradiction but it depends on who you see as mafia.
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Problem is nothing really helps us. nightkills incriminate both equally much. Maybe a little bit more GB? No clue.
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I think I am fine with GB.
##vote: GB
If we lose to OO, it sucks for you Chromsie. And GB
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Abstimmung - Tag 6
GlowingBear (3): Benevolent ghosts, ObviousOne, Vengeful spirits, Koshi
Koshi (1): Vengeful spirits
Nicht abgestimmt (2): Chromatically, GlowingBear
Im Moment werden wir GlowingBear von der Tour ausschließen!
Dieser Tag endet in um 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Bitte geben Sie ihre Stimme hier ab.
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(Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.)
Beachten Sie bitte die Wahlfrist! Wenn nicht Sie nicht abstimmen, werden sie vom Spiel entfernt werden.
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On December 10 2015 17:45 Koshi wrote:I think I am fine with GB. ##vote: GBIf we lose to OO, it sucks for you Chromsie. And GB
It sucks for you, actually, because you are the one who can't use your brain at LYLO
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