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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 20:42 GMT
#837
Well, Superbia has really just become inactive in recent times, not necessarily unengaged... We'll see what he does when he returns.

(btw his last post is kind of weird... said he's voting yes and will explain it later? why not now?)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 20:44 GMT
#838
Meh, even a short explanation would have been good, even if he was busy. But I hope we'll hear it after this.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 20:55 GMT
#840
On November 04 2015 05:44 Xatalos wrote:
Meh, even a short explanation would have been good, even if he was busy. But I hope we'll hear it after this.

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 21:42 GMT
#853
Well, I'll admit I may have been blinded a bit by the way Superbia mostly talked with me whenever he was in the thread. At the moment I'm not at all sure if I'm comfortable with him as town... Well, let's see what he does when he's back.

Not really much to say about your other reads since they're pretty... vague? (kita) Nothing else at least really caught my attention.

If we go with the safe plan of an all-town mission, then I'd probably pick me+rayn+HTS/Artanis/SL. The last pick depends a lot on what each of them does in the near future.

If it's the riskier plan of all-scum team (or at least proposing it - not necessarily passing it), then I think kita+shockey+Rels seems okay.... Will have to consider that more as well.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 21:43 GMT
#854
At least I think those should be the bases of each plan, with some room for changes.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 21:46 GMT
#856
Would be also nice to hear your input on both the last townie pick (me+you+?) and if/how we should do the all-scum proposal, rayn
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 21:53 GMT
#858
On November 04 2015 06:47 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 06:42 Xatalos wrote:
Not really much to say about your other reads since they're pretty... vague? (kita) Nothing else at least really caught my attention.


How about shockey then? That one wasn't very vague.


Tbh it kinda was... Basically "could go both ways"... Isn't that the ultimate vague read? Tbh the way you made your read indicates that it should mild-strong scumread instead, but... The conclusion is just that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 22:15 GMT
#860
On November 04 2015 07:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 06:53 Xatalos wrote:
On November 04 2015 06:47 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 04 2015 06:42 Xatalos wrote:
Not really much to say about your other reads since they're pretty... vague? (kita) Nothing else at least really caught my attention.


How about shockey then? That one wasn't very vague.


Tbh it kinda was... Basically "could go both ways"... Isn't that the ultimate vague read? Tbh the way you made your read indicates that it should mild-strong scumread instead, but... The conclusion is just that.


lol maybe it was less vague in my mind. XD

The conclusion was scum leaning if it wasn't clear.

"I never called you mafia directly"
"You're ignoring me when I try to interact with you"
"These guys are suspicious because they both jump in to make the same point"
"I'm going to watch how things play out before providing strong reads"

Would you consider these common themes between his past mafia games and this one to be a concern or is the connection more likely to be a coincidence in your opinion?

How do you interpret his post that he hasn't directly called rayn mafia because he doesn't have proof?


And he doesn't say things like that as town? If not, then it should be telling. If yes, then it shouldn't be indicative of too much. In either case, it at least shouldn't make him townier, so I guess you could call it a "concern" rather than "coincidence".

Not sure what to make of that last sentence? Maybe it indicates that he's looking for reasons to scumread rather than looking for reasons to fairly evaluate?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 22:53 GMT
#862
I think I'll be going to sleep... But let's (hopefully) consider the next team tomorrow. Of course input is welcome in the meanwhile.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 22:54 GMT
#863
And if it goes through.... hope for the best, I guess?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 23:12 GMT
#869
Couldn't resist staying up a bit later..... And pretty funny how nobody dared to accept except shockeyy :D

Even you didn't accept, HTS?

Well, I guess it's good to have more time to consider regardless..

Basically what I was considering was either me+rayn+?(HTS/Artanis/SL probably)

OR

kita+shockeyy+Rels

But I'd definitely like to hear at least rayn's input beforehand...

Basically the latter option is good if there are 0, 2 or 3 scum included. Actually that's kind of true regardless of the team.. Well, I'd hope we could be capable to arrive at a team with 0 or 3 scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 23:14 GMT
#870
On November 04 2015 08:06 Superbia wrote:
Half-here. Was general consensus no at EoD?


Yeah, basically, actually I think kita said he was going to say yes but ended up saying no apparently.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 23:17 GMT
#871
Superbia is kind of a question mark to me right now... I really hope people would step up in activity today.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 23:18 GMT
#872
Well, it's more than just Superbia who are question marks tbh Not really confident if we could name a 3 scum mission atm
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 23:18 GMT
#873
And cya tomorrow...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 04 2015 11:52 GMT
#923
Crap... My phone deleted everything I was writing as I went back to look at filters :/ Now I'll just write from the top of my head..

So yeah, right now I think shockeyy is probably scum (especially if he didn't realize that the votes would be public like sicklucker said..). The remaining scum should be one of HTS/Kita (explained before) and one of Rels/Superbia/Artanis. Tbh Rels hasn't seemed too bad lately considering his constant activity and engagement, while Superbia and Artanis have basically continued semi-lurking for a long time now. Not really confident who there is scum, but that should be resolved as the game progresses.

So overall, not really confident in attempting an all-scum team right now. Probably best just to go with the safe plan of me, rayn and.. sicklucker? He hasn't really done much besides the weird OMGUS on me, but just with PoE, the point about shockeyy and overall his "I don't give a fuck" attitude seem more likely from town IMO. Tentatively:

##Nominate Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker
(That should work?)

I'll be online only very sporadically for a while, but please comment.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 04 2015 11:59 GMT
#925
Oh, Artanis posted... Interesting graph you made there.

About Rels, it was mostly about the weak meta-push on rayn and his possible TMI (saying pushing me was bad while null reading me?). But I'm not really sure atm... And he did kind of explain the TMI thing too, I guess...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 04 2015 12:01 GMT
#927
You're fine with not being on the mission, Artanis?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 04 2015 12:04 GMT
#931
On November 04 2015 20:35 sicklucker wrote:
Its also not me being biased the chart says were the top 3 towns more or less as no one scum reads us. I know you town read artanis so from your pov if your town submitting that team makes sense.

No one understands the logic of putting yourself in the team better then me but you also need that team to pass and its only attempt 2 of 5 so people are still very picky like me. Also if the said mission passes it would make a likely town circle of 4 people rather then 3 im not totally sure the mechanics but that seems like a good spot to be in.


Yeah the best play now would kind of likely be just going the safe route of picking 3 town and expanding from there. With a bit of luck, we can guarantee a very strong position.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 04 2015 12:05 GMT
#932
On November 04 2015 21:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 21:01 Xatalos wrote:
You're fine with not being on the mission, Artanis?

I townread all three of you and we're going to have to nominate three people that aren't me in all future missions, so why not?


I guess so :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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