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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 22:51 GMT
#611
Basically, I can maybe see those posts moving kita to null or something... But to top town? From top scum? No way...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 22:55 GMT
#613
Besides, some semi-good posts don't really override the way he ignored what was going on and posted random filler throughout the day >.>

But oh well... If this is to happen, then so be it. It's not like it's the final team yet.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 22:57 GMT
#615
On November 03 2015 07:54 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 07:49 Xatalos wrote:
What caused this dramatic shift on kita, HtS? I have to say I liked the previous team better... kita's recent posts were better than what he started with, but not even close enough to say he's "clear". His main point was that I was too focused on townreads... And I don't really see why that makes me suspicious when the main issue is to find town anyway...

He was actually your top scum before? How was this enough to change that?


It wasn't just his questioning of you, it was also his questioning of everyone. Read the posts that he's done on everyone else. Part of this read is based on meta. He is not a high volume poster as either alignment but as town he gets in thread and picks out critical parts of the thread or things that look off to him and drives discussion of it.

The question is, do you think his opinion on you or anything else he has, is Mafia motivated.


That soft suspicion on me could have been to change the proposed team? Well, gotta say it would have been quite godlike to foresee that you'd pick him instead
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 22:58 GMT
#616
Meaning, if it was an all-town team or something...

But I guess we'll see how this goes now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 23:00 GMT
#618
On November 03 2015 07:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:
Besides, some semi-good posts don't really override the way he ignored what was going on and posted random filler throughout the day >.>

But oh well... If this is to happen, then so be it. It's not like it's the final team yet.


I can actually think of one good reason for his lack of activity early on. It is NAI but it explains his lack of interaction with the thread.


?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 23:02 GMT
#622
Will probably vote NO unless kita appears really town today. We'll see.

Would also like to hear from rayn what he thinks of the team.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 23:09 GMT
#624
Still a bit hard to understand the switch on kita from full scum to full town in like one page >.> Was asking those questions / the soft suspicion on me really that good? The conclusion seemed to be just a list of null reads..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 23:56 GMT
#631
On November 03 2015 08:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 07:55 Xatalos wrote:
Besides, some semi-good posts don't really override the way he ignored what was going on and posted random filler throughout the day >.>

But oh well... If this is to happen, then so be it. It's not like it's the final team yet.


Why does this apply to myself, but not superbia? He essentially has 1 talking point this game, even after the return to the thread where he brings back up the "nightmare for scum" stuff that has already been discussed to death.


Not really sure what you mean here? I didn't say that you only had one talking point, but that you came to make random posts here and there throughout the day without impact on the thread. I think Superbia looks better than you atm because I thought his reasoning for the initial scumread on me was passable and he made decent posts later on, especially the TMI thing about Rels. He was also constantly engaged with the thread... Not really sure how it's comparable to you.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 23:58 GMT
#632
And yeah, mostly I just meant that you didn't really engage in anything, rather made some very vague and ultimately meaningless posts about setup / how null everything was.

In that sense, your most recent posts are better... But still.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 23:58 GMT
#633
On November 03 2015 08:32 kitaman27 wrote:
I was hoping that we could nominate sicklucker and we wouldn't need to worry about a sabotage because he'd never show up.


LOL
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 02 2015 23:58 GMT
#634
On November 03 2015 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:
AFK for 30m.


Or a bit longer?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 12:22 GMT
#722
On November 03 2015 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 18:01 Rels wrote:
kita and Shockey are probably town.

This is probably the dumbest shit i have heard in this game.


Yeah... There's almost certainly at least one scum between Kita/shockey IMO. Basically agreed with rayn... Kita has been very vague about everything, and only jumped in to push me (?) when it looked like me/rayn/HTS was going to pass (probably means Kita isn't scum with HTS/rayn because otherwise why bother to do that?). Shockey' push on rayn has been bad and somehow continued even though it was proven that rayn's "anger" shouldn't be alignment-indicative... Probably agenda-driven after all even if it just seemed paranoid at the start.

I'd be really interested to see the reasoning for these reads (unless I managed to miss it). Chances are, Rels could just be scum and pulling reads out of nowhere :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 12:28 GMT
#723
On November 03 2015 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos i hope you read the thread, especially my posts really carefully before you post.


I maybe get what you mean with your proposal... It could work? But it might just be easier to aim for a town team.. It would be more reliant on our skill rather than... Well, you know.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 12:38 GMT
#724
On November 03 2015 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On the other hand we could just pick three of rayn/Xatalos/Artanis/sicklucker and when the mission 1 passes then add the fourth and i guarantee you we will win the game, otherwise you can call me scum and i won't even resist.

But the problem with this is we would need at least one of the two remaining townies to see this and i am not sure if that's gonna happen so i go with the route of proving who is scum then instead. Sorry guys, this will take a bit more time, but i know what i am doing.


You're that confident in Artanis/SL? Over HTS? I can kind of see suspecting HTS after that odd team proposal, but if she was scum with Kita, why bother with adding Kita anyway? If HTS was scum and Kita town (lol), then.. Hm, maybe it could be to blame it on Kita? Well, I guess that makes sense. Still I doubt HTS/Kita are both Spies and Kita looks worse IMO.

Neither Artanis nor SL has done much yet... I guess that could be taken as not pushing an agenda like you said. I'm not quite ready to call them "obvious town" yet though, because not doing anything could also mean that there hasn't been a reason to do anything (for example, if HTS was scum? - although I don't think it's too likely).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 12:42 GMT
#725
Hmm.... Well, anyways, I'm probably just voting no on this mission. Can't really agree with this abomination where neither the full-scum plan or the full-town plan are in effect

A bit annoying that we can't talk openly about the pros/cons of either plan...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 12:47 GMT
#726
Actually, I just realized a great advantage with the full-scum plan. It could be better after all. Can't say it though or it would be pointless :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 12:50 GMT
#727
Well, maybe not pointless, but less effective.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 13:06 GMT
#731
I guess that makes sense.... I mean, clearing then with PoE / lack of scum agenda. At least for now. I think Artanis could be genuinely busy as either alignment, so that's not really a sure thing?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 13:12 GMT
#734
On November 03 2015 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Basically Xatalos, the point is the following:

1) If there are three scum, and the plan goes through, we autowin the game.
2) That is not going to happen because kitaman will refuse to follow up with that if there is three scum
3) When kitaman refuses to the plan, he actually has to explain why one of Rels/ShoCkeyy is mafia
4) When kitaman says "no" to the plan, i am going to ask Rels about his read on kitaman, and where does he base that on -- in contrary to the read on you (the "Xatalos does not have scumreads" part -- i will explain that further then)

5) And then all of this doesn't matter, except for we get scum talking about each other and not give bullshit reads

6) And the plan will still be town-favored if there is even 2 scum in that group of three (which i am 95% sure of, unless i am playing horribly in this game).


Yeah, I think it's a good way to put pressure on the scumteam. Not sure if you want to talk about the reasons openly like this though? I also thought of a couple other reasons unrelated to those, but I definitely wouldn't want to talk about them this openly..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 03 2015 13:19 GMT
#736
On November 03 2015 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2015 22:12 Xatalos wrote:
On November 03 2015 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Basically Xatalos, the point is the following:

1) If there are three scum, and the plan goes through, we autowin the game.
2) That is not going to happen because kitaman will refuse to follow up with that if there is three scum
3) When kitaman refuses to the plan, he actually has to explain why one of Rels/ShoCkeyy is mafia
4) When kitaman says "no" to the plan, i am going to ask Rels about his read on kitaman, and where does he base that on -- in contrary to the read on you (the "Xatalos does not have scumreads" part -- i will explain that further then)

5) And then all of this doesn't matter, except for we get scum talking about each other and not give bullshit reads

6) And the plan will still be town-favored if there is even 2 scum in that group of three (which i am 95% sure of, unless i am playing horribly in this game).


Yeah, I think it's a good way to put pressure on the scumteam. Not sure if you want to talk about the reasons openly like this though? I also thought of a couple other reasons unrelated to those, but I definitely wouldn't want to talk about them this openly..

Well if kitaman is scum he knows all this already because he is a smart guy.


Could be... But his teammates might not, and they have no way to communicate in this game.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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