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On November 02 2015 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can really easily see where Superbia is coming from.
Xatalos made a claim that the game is "nightmare" for scum, and when Superbia questioned him about it the "nightmare" became "somewhat anti-scum", which definitely is not "nightmare" in my opinion aswell.
Now i don't think that necessarily makes Xatalos scum, but it makes perfect sense for Superbia to scumread him for that.
He didn't even scumread me for that though...... But for the initial post (???) and dropped the scumread to "mild" after my response... That's how I understood it anyway. So basically, the other way around compared to how you described it.
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So I'm just a bit confused at the townread.
I just felt like it was a needlessly aggressive attack for something non-telling. Basically, scumreading me for the sake of scumreading me. Can't say I like the way he went about it.
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On November 02 2015 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I wouldn't in this game.
Ah, I see what you're referring to 
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On November 02 2015 18:33 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:29 Rels wrote:
But you forgot a question bro.
Do you know what I'm talking about with Xatalos' being obvious in a few days ? I know what you are talking about. I don't see that being townie in any way though since "in a few days" this game might be on mission 2 or even 3. So it doesn't really work that way in Resistance. Easy. Just have to not include him the first team, and if it doesn't go through, vote no when he's leader tomorrow.
:/
I guess you're referring to my town/scum activity? Well, it's not a bad point really. Just a bit sad if you exclude me until late for that.
I think this meta-case on rayn is pretty excessive too. Wouldn't he want to avoid making dumb questions as either alignment if he hates them?
The only thing bothering me really is his weird interpretation of the talks between me and Superbia.
Overall I think Kita could be scum so far (overly detached and disinterested in the discussion). Maybe Superbia? His attack on me was pretty odd. I'll refrain from judging rayn hastily this time around so he can be null. Rels seemed okay on activity and focus on interaction, town? Artanis and SL basically didn't do anything yet so null.
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Huh, I guess the same argument as Kita could be used for Artanis and SL to some extent. It's just that Kita actually bothered to post game-relevant stuff, but only setup and a vague answer to a direct question.
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On November 02 2015 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 19:55 Xatalos wrote:
So I'm just a bit confused at the townread.
I just felt like it was a needlessly aggressive attack for something non-telling. Basically, scumreading me for the sake of scumreading me. Can't say I like the way he went about it. Ehh... why does he do that as mafia?
To cast suspicion on me and remove me from teams maybe?
Why would he make me a "long-term scumread" (implying it won't change no matter what I do) based on one pretty neutral post as town?
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Hmm... Gotta say I liked that big post from Superbia a lot more already. It's also a good point about Rels. If he had no read on me, why would it be necessarily bad to push me?
Superbia ++, Rels --
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Funny how rayn is the calm/reasonable part in this discussion
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On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far.
Yeah I was town and got shot eventually. Why does that make me townie?
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On November 02 2015 20:56 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 20:55 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 20:52 Superbia wrote:On November 02 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia FYI Xatalos has not played forum Resistance. ...That makes me slightly more suspicious rofl. But whatever, I have concluded that you are likely town, and that Xat may be town too. Partially due to me trusting your read a little, and partially because of how he's mentally (i.e. logically) handling my push. Actually Xat was town in the vanilla mafia game too right? The one in which he died n3 or whatever (I've half-followed it)? And where they lynched scum on d3 only? If so that gives him some town-points this game so far. Yeah I was town and got shot eventually. Why does that make me townie? Your posting style and activity level seems similar to that game. Mind you that I've read/skimmed maybe 7-8 pages, so I'm not confident enough to give you a lot of townie-points.
Okay, that makes sense.
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Btw rayn, you didn't respond to my earlier question about your description of the debate between me and Superbia?
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On November 02 2015 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 19:52 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can really easily see where Superbia is coming from.
Xatalos made a claim that the game is "nightmare" for scum, and when Superbia questioned him about it the "nightmare" became "somewhat anti-scum", which definitely is not "nightmare" in my opinion aswell.
Now i don't think that necessarily makes Xatalos scum, but it makes perfect sense for Superbia to scumread him for that. He didn't even scumread me for that though...... But for the initial post (???) and dropped the scumread to "mild" after my response... That's how I understood it anyway. So basically, the other way around compared to how you described it. If you mean this I thought that Superbia called you scum for something you did that he found out to be scummy (which was the case). I also thought that he later on basically wanted you to prove yourself wrong and kept on questioning you for the "nightmare". I do that a lot myself. For example my question to kitaman at the start of the game is purely a loaded question. I guess i was wrong about the follow up but his explanation is even more townier than what i thought he'd say is.
Hm... I guess so. I liked Superbia's recent post too. I just found it a bit odd that you so easily townread him with the wrong description of how it went, like you had decided to townread him and then carelessly read the posts themselves.
Just in case, I'll say that that's not a declaration of war Just idle thoughts.
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On November 02 2015 21:10 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 20:53 Superbia wrote:
HtS needs to be here soon and be transparent with the selection of team-members. I have skimmed the thread but when I actually get to the airport and past security, I will comment more in detail. Ill timing for me I know (on the back of a getaway with the husband) but I still have ~9h to be productive. From skimming the thread, Superbia will likely be one of my team members. Artanis/SL are null. Will almost certainly be leaving Kita off. After I clear security, I'm going to read more closely into Xata, Rels, Rayn (and the specific objections).
Why Superbia? Overall would be nice to hear reasoning for each pick / non-pick.
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On November 02 2015 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 21:17 Xatalos wrote:
Hm... I guess so. I liked Superbia's recent post too. I just found it a bit odd that you so easily townread him with the wrong description of how it went, like you had decided to townread him and then carelessly read the posts themselves.
Well that's up to you to decide.
Yes it is
It's basically the only crack in your filter, which is otherwise almost unbelievably constructive / leader-like. I hope it's nothing but a simple mistake and that you're genuinely taken this reasonable attitude.
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Well, you did say that Superbia scumread me for "weakening" my stance on this being a "nightmare for scum", but actually he scumread me for my first post... And semi-dropped it when I explained my stance, where you said his scumread started.
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Hm... Not sure where I said something about a "read change"?
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Oh, I see. That was in response to Rels, not to me.
Although it's still misrepresenting why Superbia scumread me (it had nothing to do with how my stance on the balance "changed" - it didn't really even change though, I just explained it in more detail). It slightly irks me how you defended Superbia by putting... words in his mouth? If you get what I mean.
Meh, it's probably not indicative of anything. (I hope )
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Btw you said that HTS should name two townies other than Superbia? Are you implying that she shouldn't include herself on the team? At least in IRL Resistance, we usually thought that either the leader should be trusted (accepted with leader included) or not trusted (team refused). Did you usually make teams regardless of the leader?
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Hm....
With nightmare, I was referring more to the annoyance and risks introduced rather than the overall balance. I don't think it's ultimately super town-sided. Maybe it was before our discussion in the pre-game, but probably not now?
Still glad to be town
Didn't really get your last sentence?
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