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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 10 2015 15:12 GMT
#2243
On November 11 2015 00:03 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 06:31 Half the Sky wrote:
First "the scum xata wouldn't have the balls" that comes from the fact that sicklucker thought xatalos would give himself away too easily with a team of two players that were more obviously read as town. rayn even said sicklucker was obvious town, and though other players were more doubtful on sicklucker (myself included) from his OWN perspective and especially where sicklucker had a more inflated view of himself as town, this would actually make sense.

If you think about it from sicklucker's perspective it would make sense for town sicklucker to think that a scum xatalos wouldn't have the "balls" to reject a mission and given himself away in a 3-man mission team where the other two were more solidly townread.


Why do you say SL was more solidly townread? Of the people who accepted the mission:

Xatalos - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL
Half the Sky - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL
raynpelikoneet - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL
Artanis - Town read rayn/Xat more than SL

Even if you include the rejects votes, there wasn't a huge amount of SL support.

If anything, this points to a scum Xat wanting to bring along SL as the fall guy, not making a "ballsy move".

Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 06:31 Half the Sky wrote:
He also said something else to the effect of "oh wait maybe I can trust xata if he put out a team I wanted or a team with him on it or what have you" - again I don't remember full context without opening a thousand tabs on my phone but that was another point in his favour.


You suggest that it is a point in his favor, but I'd say that it suggests he prioritizes self-inclusion over mission success.

Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 06:31 Half the Sky wrote:
From a meta standpoint, (reference Void, Drams) scum sicklucker is concerned about giving away information on his teammates.


A few other people have already pointed this out, but I don't think this applies very well considering voting no unless he is included has the opposite effect. He doesn't have to worry about his teammate's inclusion at all if he can include himself.


Yeah... Especially that first part is what almost made me smash my head on my keyboard when she claimed that SL was more solidly townread than me earlier.....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 10 2015 15:20 GMT
#2244
What's even more ridiculous is that HTS made several posts pushing suspicion on SL before the mission result, but when the result came out, she pretty much forgot about those posts and immediately started pushing rayn.... When that didn't really work out, she decided that maybe it would work with me and has pushed me since. For ever dumber and dumber reasons (really, the newest reasons are just too crap to even get mad about, like the point about my comment on rayn's first nomination suggestion).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 10 2015 15:22 GMT
#2246
On November 11 2015 00:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2015 00:10 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 09 2015 07:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Reason why I say that is because I suggested this team a while back. Not voting yes will look bad on my end anyways


If you wanted the team to pass, why did you include that tid bit about how you would have looked bad by rejecting at the end?


Uhhhhh I actually did????? That's the fucking problem. None of you read anything lol


What does this post even mean? kita said "why did you", and you respond with "I actually did????".
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 11 2015 11:32 GMT
#2329
On November 11 2015 11:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For most people you, HtS, you are just a pain to play with as a player and as a human being.


Yeah, I guess referencing marv's lashing out on me in the Vanilla game.... Tbh he made many similar posts.... But I also provoked him by blaming the mislynch on him, so I don't really hold a grudge or anything. I don't think this post should have been made though, even as a reference.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 11 2015 11:38 GMT
#2330
Well, let's see what happens with the mission. Even if probably 2+ scum voted YES, it could be WIFOM too... To avoid the revelation of the team or something?

Meh, I guess a fail is more likely. Even if that happens, it would at least tell us quite a bit about the potential scumteams (kind of like solving a Mastermind puzzle ).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 11 2015 12:35 GMT
#2332
Well, mission 4 almost always passes regardless, in my experience.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 11 2015 19:55 GMT
#2359
On November 12 2015 02:30 Rels wrote:
Xata you still didn't answer this:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2015 01:56 Rels wrote:
On November 10 2015 23:39 Xatalos wrote:
On November 10 2015 22:49 Rels wrote:
Xata, why are you suspicious of me ?
Why are you suspicious of kita ?


The NO votes look good for you two, it's just not on the level of a confident townread. Kita for being so vague and non-committal throughout the game, and you because your recent scumgames looked pretty similar to this game too (very active and engaged..).

Now that I think about it, though, scum HTS would have had no good reason to put scum Kita into the first team.... So that gives kita a bit more credibility at least.

So is kita scum or not ? If yes can you expand on him being vague ?
Your reason for scumreading me are bad. Is that it ?



Well, it's more PoE than anything really. Meaning that I thought rayn and Superbia looked better than you two. I didn't even call you two scum there

Vague as in being evasive about his own reads and mostly asking questions / taking a pretty neutral stance on things.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 11 2015 19:56 GMT
#2360
Oh.... Welcome Coag.

I guess this makes rayn more likely town again, even if the reason is silly (he wouldn't probably feel the need to rage risking a modkill or something as scum here......).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 12 2015 00:40 GMT
#2404
I guess this means that rayn is scum (doubt it) or one of HTS/shockeyy is town.... Probably shockeyy really. shockeyy hasn't made much sense, but the scum motivation for being so blatantly scummy is weak. Meanwhile HTS has made great efforts recently to look somewhat decent, even though her arguments are still trash. That's much more scum indicative than making no effort to look good like shockeyy.

HTS, if you were town, you would have already rethought over some things after your 100% townread rayn called your arguments bullshit.... And I showed why that was the case.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 12 2015 00:43 GMT
#2406
Anyways, never voting YES to either SL or HTS. Not completely sure on the last scum, probably Rels for voting YES while scumreading rayn.... (or maybe I missed some post yesterday, but that seemed to be the case when he voted)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 12 2015 00:43 GMT
#2407
wtf kita >.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 12 2015 00:44 GMT
#2408
Assumption 1: Kita is not mafia.

quite a useless assumption really if you want to make it "scientific"
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 12 2015 00:45 GMT
#2409
But sure, go ahead...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 12 2015 00:45 GMT
#2410
What are you even using to make that?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 12 2015 00:46 GMT
#2411
Well, I guess I'll be going to sleep... Let's see if shockeyy proposes anything good, though I doubt it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 13 2015 00:08 GMT
#2732
On November 13 2015 08:02 NocturneMage wrote:
Shockey's Nomination Phase - End
ShoCkeyy has nominated the following team for Mission 3:

(1) Shockey
(2) Vivax
(3) Half the Sky
(4) sicklucker

Please PM your votes to Fidei86 and Tictock.

You may switch your vote as often as you like, until the deadline.

Deadline is in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00), 13 November.


What was the team you wanted to make shockeyy...? At least I very much doubt there isn't scum in this team, with it including both SL/HTS....

The scumteam is probably SL/HTS/Rels at this point. SL even just for the first failed mission, HTS for just making really crappy reasons to scumread people (as noted by basically everyone who read her posts so far) and Rels for voting YES last team when he still scumread people on it....

I think shockeyy and kita just have to be town by PoE.

So I think that's about it... Unfortunately Rels is next, but perhaps kita could be able to put up a decent team.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 13 2015 00:11 GMT
#2736
On November 13 2015 09:03 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 07:39 Vivax wrote:
Kita we need to talk, can you give me a summary entirely without quoting anything about why you think Rels is town?


He appears to be reading the thread, he is speaking logically, he is looking for contradictions and pushing them in the thread when he is ignored. Most of the stuff he has been saying makes sense. He has the opportunity to jump on shockeyy as the low hanging fruit, but chooses not to. In resistance, mafia are essentially forced to choose their scum reads based on process of elimination. Not going after someone like shockeyy when everyone else scum reads him seems townie.

He has the opportunity to align himself against Xata, but posts the filter length analysis that makes Xata look pretty decent. If I remember correctly, this was posted prior to the mission one failure meaning that he was making a player who is up for consideration look decent, while lessening his own chance of inclusion. This doesn't apply if it is Xata + Rels as the spy, but I thought the other stuff outweighed the exception.

He attacks rayn at several spots where rayn is widely seen as town, costing himself town cred. The safer option would be to sheep him there. His reads are frequently changing. He starts the game scum reading myself, rayn, and super. He then shifts to town reading us, while scum reading other players. He goes back and forth on certain players, which I feel is townie.

I haven't had the opportunity to look at the games HTS linked me yet. I will when I have more time.

Could I be wrong about Rels? Yeah, but that could apply to anyone. Right now I think he's town.


Hm, what about his last vote?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 13 2015 00:25 GMT
#2741
On November 13 2015 09:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 09:08 Xatalos wrote:
On November 13 2015 08:02 NocturneMage wrote:
Shockey's Nomination Phase - End
ShoCkeyy has nominated the following team for Mission 3:

(1) Shockey
(2) Vivax
(3) Half the Sky
(4) sicklucker

Please PM your votes to Fidei86 and Tictock.

You may switch your vote as often as you like, until the deadline.

Deadline is in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00), 13 November.


What was the team you wanted to make shockeyy...? At least I very much doubt there isn't scum in this team, with it including both SL/HTS....

The scumteam is probably SL/HTS/Rels at this point. SL even just for the first failed mission, HTS for just making really crappy reasons to scumread people (as noted by basically everyone who read her posts so far) and Rels for voting YES last team when he still scumread people on it....

I think shockeyy and kita just have to be town by PoE.

So I think that's about it... Unfortunately Rels is next, but perhaps kita could be able to put up a decent team.


HTS + Rels? Could you elaborate?


Basically HTS started the game scumreading Rels, but went to townread him when it mattered (he was nominated).... Both have also had some of the most shady votes around (HTS upvoting every failed team without being part of them even, and Rels upvoting the last failed team when logically he shouldn't have.....).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 13 2015 00:25 GMT
#2743
On November 13 2015 09:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 09:11 Xatalos wrote:
On November 13 2015 09:03 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 13 2015 07:39 Vivax wrote:
Kita we need to talk, can you give me a summary entirely without quoting anything about why you think Rels is town?


He appears to be reading the thread, he is speaking logically, he is looking for contradictions and pushing them in the thread when he is ignored. Most of the stuff he has been saying makes sense. He has the opportunity to jump on shockeyy as the low hanging fruit, but chooses not to. In resistance, mafia are essentially forced to choose their scum reads based on process of elimination. Not going after someone like shockeyy when everyone else scum reads him seems townie.

He has the opportunity to align himself against Xata, but posts the filter length analysis that makes Xata look pretty decent. If I remember correctly, this was posted prior to the mission one failure meaning that he was making a player who is up for consideration look decent, while lessening his own chance of inclusion. This doesn't apply if it is Xata + Rels as the spy, but I thought the other stuff outweighed the exception.

He attacks rayn at several spots where rayn is widely seen as town, costing himself town cred. The safer option would be to sheep him there. His reads are frequently changing. He starts the game scum reading myself, rayn, and super. He then shifts to town reading us, while scum reading other players. He goes back and forth on certain players, which I feel is townie.

I haven't had the opportunity to look at the games HTS linked me yet. I will when I have more time.

Could I be wrong about Rels? Yeah, but that could apply to anyone. Right now I think he's town.


Hm, what about his last vote?


Hmm?


^
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 13 2015 00:26 GMT
#2744
On November 13 2015 09:25 Coagulation wrote:
so when do we vote?


Now And in secret, by PM'ing the hosts.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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