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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 09 2015 15:05 GMT
#2095
We'll see, I guess. Should be an interesting discussion regardless.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 09 2015 17:42 GMT
#2108
That's just too bad of an attempt, HTS. Looks like you even ignored my previous posts for you............ Your case is simply illogical to the extreme.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 09 2015 19:11 GMT
#2133
On November 10 2015 03:08 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.

##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy


Show nested quote +
On November 09 2015 21:31 Xatalos wrote:
On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.

##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy


Quite a curious nomination. Another reaction test, or you don't think any other team can pass at this point......?


Show nested quote +
On November 09 2015 22:00 Xatalos wrote:
On November 09 2015 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So like, Xatalos is stubbornly trying to push a team that has both me and him in it, when at least half of the people in the game think one of us might be scum.

HtS doesn't even read the game (or apparently any game she has ever played) so i don't see any reason i should pay any attention to what she posts.

Shockeyy hasn't made a single logical conslusion in this game, and Artanis now for some reason thinks Xatalos is mafia instead of sicklucker because of what Shockeyy says.

sicklucker doesn't wanna say yes to any team he doesn't pick himself, doesn't scumhunt and just hides behind his heuristic.

Superbia gave up a long time ago on this game.

So yeah, i am just gonna vote yes to any team that gets picked and/or wait for SL to present his team and if the team is all town we win -- or if the team fails i am gonna blame the dude who picked the team. Because that's the correct play, right sicklucker?

Basically this game cannot possibly go anywhere so i don't really see any reason why i should give any fucks rn.


Tbh I think this nomination is probably the only one where we have a chance anymore.... But I guess quite a few scumread you now so I can understand why it seems difficult. Then should we just try voting for a team or something?


More on why Xatalos is a spy -

Mission 1: Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker - vote passed 5:4, mission failed.

Rayn suggested a team of himself, sicklucker (TWO FROM THE ABOVE FAILED MISSION!!!!) me, and Shockey.

And then Xatalos turns around and says "this nomination is the only one we have a chance"??????

When in HIS world he's town and we know for a FACT one of these two failed, he's saying we have a chance?

Are you remotely kidding me?!?!?!?!?

That is one atrocious response if I've ever seen one.


.....You're not even reading anymore. That wasn't obviously about rayn's proposed team there, but about this nomination overall (considering the next leaders we have).

Your push is still making no sense....

On November 09 2015 23:36 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2015 23:33 Half the Sky wrote:
What you are saying right now doesn't make any sense. rayn had his reasoning for his reads, he had always townread you and scumread sicklucker - but your reasoning isn't flowing at all.


.......wtf

1) I heavily townread rayn, somewhat townread SL
2) rayn heavily townreads me, somewhat townreads SL
3) mission fails
4) we both still townread each other, scumread SL
5) HTS says Xata is sure scum, rayn is sure town for these events
6) ?????????????????????!?!!!!!!

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 09 2015 19:13 GMT
#2135
On November 10 2015 03:57 Vivax wrote:
Superbia started out the game great and Xata looks like scum, I have to agree with my predecessor. That's what I gain from reading the start of this game.

Although for me it's more of a toneread on Xata around the phase where super stops posting and kita joins the game. These are all consecutive posts and they look kinda nervous to me.

Xata just came out from an extended discussion with my slot, and that's how his posts look (like he's worn out).
Him talking about kita as if it mattered about his alignment that he didn't reply within ~30 minutes, dropping a series of exhausted posts that look like he's crying out to someone to end his life.

That's a bit exaggerated but

tl;dr: This post series I don't like.

They just look fake and are kinda apathetic. The way he thinks of "oh shit I need to get some reads out now" right after the convo when only 3 players posted look like he feels forced to do that.

+ Show Spoiler +

On November 02 2015 09:00 Xatalos wrote:
Well, I mostly hope Half the Sky would appear. A great deal will depend on her alignment. Such as if her proposed team can even be considered.

Next up seems to be me... That's nice. Should be enough time to find two townies by that time.


On November 02 2015 09:02 Xatalos wrote:
Damn... Am I just antepenultimate because I forgot to claim penultimate?


On November 02 2015 09:06 Xatalos wrote:
kita, did you get anything out of our furious exchange just now?


On November 02 2015 09:19 Xatalos wrote:
Either there's an elaborate essay incoming or that was a really weak entry....


On November 02 2015 09:29 Xatalos wrote:
I guess there isn't anything.

Can't say either kita or Superbia left good impressions yet. kita for just ignoring everything and leaving, and Superbia for announcing some long-term scumread (??) based on me saying that the lack of communications should be a mess for scum...

Eagerly anticipating Half the Sky's entry... I go to sleep.



And I like rayn for townreading my predecessor and bashing heads with Rels on that matter. I think I want to TR rayn for that.


Read the game besides the first posts before making accusations please.......
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 09 2015 19:16 GMT
#2136
On November 10 2015 03:08 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.

##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy


Show nested quote +
On November 09 2015 21:31 Xatalos wrote:
On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.

##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy


Quite a curious nomination. Another reaction test, or you don't think any other team can pass at this point......?


Show nested quote +
On November 09 2015 22:00 Xatalos wrote:
On November 09 2015 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So like, Xatalos is stubbornly trying to push a team that has both me and him in it, when at least half of the people in the game think one of us might be scum.

HtS doesn't even read the game (or apparently any game she has ever played) so i don't see any reason i should pay any attention to what she posts.

Shockeyy hasn't made a single logical conslusion in this game, and Artanis now for some reason thinks Xatalos is mafia instead of sicklucker because of what Shockeyy says.

sicklucker doesn't wanna say yes to any team he doesn't pick himself, doesn't scumhunt and just hides behind his heuristic.

Superbia gave up a long time ago on this game.

So yeah, i am just gonna vote yes to any team that gets picked and/or wait for SL to present his team and if the team is all town we win -- or if the team fails i am gonna blame the dude who picked the team. Because that's the correct play, right sicklucker?

Basically this game cannot possibly go anywhere so i don't really see any reason why i should give any fucks rn.


Tbh I think this nomination is probably the only one where we have a chance anymore.... But I guess quite a few scumread you now so I can understand why it seems difficult. Then should we just try voting for a team or something?


More on why Xatalos is a spy -

Mission 1: Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker - vote passed 5:4, mission failed.

Rayn suggested a team of himself, sicklucker (TWO FROM THE ABOVE FAILED MISSION!!!!) me, and Shockey.

And then Xatalos turns around and says "this nomination is the only one we have a chance"??????

When in HIS world he's town and we know for a FACT one of these two failed, he's saying we have a chance?

Are you remotely kidding me?!?!?!?!?

That is one atrocious response if I've ever seen one.


I just can't understand why you even bother pushing this bullshit. This whole post is just completely false. As was your previous reason of me "TMI'ng" rayn after the fail.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 09 2015 19:17 GMT
#2137
But at least now I can be pretty confident that HTS is scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 09 2015 21:18 GMT
#2167
HTS's "arguments" have already been shown wrong and she just continues to push it, ignoring my posts. The recent arguments are even dumber than the previous ones. I can't really even bother anymore, she's not going on a mission anyway.....

(worth noting that the meta arguments are still lacking because there isn't anything of use there, instead some stupid stuff has been made up.....)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 09 2015 21:23 GMT
#2168
Is this the final team rayn? Could you replace kita/Rels with myself and perhaps Artanis?

It's just saddening that even though that would improve the chances of success, it would also decrease the chances of the team being approved :/

And then there's shockeyy/Rels/SL's teams coming up.......... I doubt shockeyy/Rels's teams would either get approved or succeed, and SL would just automatically make a failing team... Sigh.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 09 2015 21:32 GMT
#2171
On November 10 2015 05:42 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 05:29 Rels wrote:
On November 09 2015 23:28 Half the Sky wrote:
On November 09 2015 23:23 Xatalos wrote:
You lost me Artanis >.>

And HTS.... There's just no basis for your push on me. You say I "TMI"d rayn when the team failed, but if you didn't miss it, I townread him pretty heavily from like the latter part of the first cycle already. Why would I drop the townread over SL after the failure? Granted, rayn is a bit more likely scum now, but I still don't think that's the case, and SL has looked worse after the failure IMO. By that same logic, rayn also still townreads me........


Mission 1 failed. It was explicitly stated there was one sabotage by the moderator. There HAS to be ( (at least, but most likely) one scum between you/rayn/SL. If you are town, and you know you are town, and especially on the back of a heavy townread on rayn, the bolded doesn't make any sense >_<

I don't understand how it doesn't make any sense. He's saying he wouldn't drop the townread on rayn over SL. Do I misunderstand his sentence ?


If he meant he would drop the townread on rayn over sicklucker then I completely misunderstood the sentence.

In any case, the contention sicklucker, Artanis (to a different degree if you read his latest posts) and myself are raising is not the exact townread, not THAT he is or isn't townreading rayn or sicklucker.

It's HOW that read came about and more specifically the reactions to the mention of sicklucker in the discussion. There was practically zero scepticism demonstrated AFTER the failure. If you look at the questions that people are throwing at Xatalos (particularly Artanis) you can see the cracks in his stances.

I'd quote it atm, but I'm not at a pc. :/


I also literally explained this very same thing already. But you're not even reading my posts anymore so whatever.....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 09 2015 21:40 GMT
#2175
On November 10 2015 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 06:32 Xatalos wrote:
I also literally explained this very same thing already. But you're not even reading my posts anymore so whatever.....

Isn't it annoying when someone does that?

Also no, i am not gonna change anything in the team.


Haha Although when you encounter these blind tunnels, people usually at least try to engage with you or something. HTS just ignores my posts and repeats the same things, or invents even more ludicrous arguments.

You think this is the best team or did you just give up?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 09 2015 21:42 GMT
#2176
On November 10 2015 06:34 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 06:18 Xatalos wrote:
HTS's "arguments" have already been shown wrong and she just continues to push it, ignoring my posts. The recent arguments are even dumber than the previous ones. I can't really even bother anymore, she's not going on a mission anyway.....

(worth noting that the meta arguments are still lacking because there isn't anything of use there, instead some stupid stuff has been made up.....)


I'm not the only one seeing problems with your position. Try again.

Don't care whether or not I'm going on a mission, this game has been 5v3 for awhile now, but I can still see to it that you don't get on one yourself.


Has anyone responded favorably to your arguments? No.

SL just doubted me/rayn because well, he had to based on the game logic. Nothing to do with your posts.

If you wanted to be taken seriously, you could start by reading my like last 2 pages of filter.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 09 2015 22:16 GMT
#2184
"2 scum sicklucker would be playing too suboptimally, that is, giving too much information away if he was just knocking down nominations until his turn came up. "

Isn't voting NO on everything until his own leadership just refraining from giving away information... His votes will mean nothing, and his own (failed) team won't be voted for either..... So there really isn't any information to be gained either from his own votes or the formation of his own team....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 09 2015 22:17 GMT
#2185
Can't really see where that means playing "suboptimally" for scum at all.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 10 2015 12:54 GMT
#2220
On November 10 2015 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 06:23 Xatalos wrote:
Is this the final team rayn? Could you replace kita/Rels with myself and perhaps Artanis?

It's just saddening that even though that would improve the chances of success, it would also decrease the chances of the team being approved :/

And then there's shockeyy/Rels/SL's teams coming up.......... I doubt shockeyy/Rels's teams would either get approved or succeed, and SL would just automatically make a failing team... Sigh.


holy shit i might vote yes just to see if the scum team is like xata art +1


On November 10 2015 08:08 Half the Sky wrote:
So looks like we need to see more from Vivax and then will need to tinfoil Kita, but at the moment (operative words being at the moment) I would upvote this team.

Kita, any followup, shout (#2183). I warn you as I did Rels, work is going to bury me tomorrow (0800-2200 again FML), but I'll do my best.

Good night.


I was considering voting YES (since the next leaders wouldn't most likely suggest anything better than this), but these endorsements really give me the creeps....... Both SL/HTS being excited about the team..... Geh :/ Kind of feels like there could be scum included after all.

Thoughts, rayn?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 10 2015 12:57 GMT
#2222
On November 10 2015 16:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2015 23:23 Xatalos wrote:
You lost me Artanis >.>

And HTS.... There's just no basis for your push on me. You say I "TMI"d rayn when the team failed, but if you didn't miss it, I townread him pretty heavily from like the latter part of the first cycle already. Why would I drop the townread over SL after the failure? Granted, rayn is a bit more likely scum now, but I still don't think that's the case, and SL has looked worse after the failure IMO. By that same logic, rayn also still townreads me........

Show nested quote +
On November 09 2015 22:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 09 2015 22:46 Xatalos wrote:
I'm not really even sure what you're saying about SL there?

If SL is mafia, he downvoted a team that most likely has a mafia on it (since Rayn/Xata weren't on the team, he'd have to be with exactly HtS/Shockeyy for that not to be the case).

Shockeyy also voted yes to the team which suggests that if he's mafia, there is a mafia on the team making that possibility even less likely.

I'm not sure what's unclear about that.
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 02:28 sicklucker wrote:
On November 09 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hold on
I just realized one of HtS/Rels/Shockeyy is always town.
I'm not sure why I didn't realize that before.


probably because your ignoring the likelyhood they are all town

Yeah, that's never going to be the case.
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 05:26 Rels wrote:
On November 09 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hold on
I just realized one of HtS/Rels/Shockeyy is always town.
I'm not sure why I didn't realize that before.

Please share your thought process.

I thought all three of you were pretty scummy. Given there's always at least one scum between Rayn/Xata/SL, it is fairly unlikely for there to be three scum in there.

Also I like Vivax so far since he seems to be accusing people left and right, which he likes to do as town.
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 07:10 kitaman27 wrote:
Artanis, what do you think about HTS's post? (#2170)

I think she explains both points well, but neither of them make sl town; they just make the points NAI. His posts can be interpreted in multiple ways, and sicklucker does like to talk about mafia strategy a lot as either alignment. I disagree that he's concerned about giving away information though, that's something I really haven't seen from him.
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
On November 10 2015 06:23 Xatalos wrote:
Is this the final team rayn? Could you replace kita/Rels with myself and perhaps Artanis?

It's just saddening that even though that would improve the chances of success, it would also decrease the chances of the team being approved :/

And then there's shockeyy/Rels/SL's teams coming up.......... I doubt shockeyy/Rels's teams would either get approved or succeed, and SL would just automatically make a failing team... Sigh.


holy shit i might vote yes just to see if the scum team is like xata art +1

What happened to your plan of nayvoting everything until it's your turn?


Sorry, I still don't get it. I don't think there's any too deep meaning with the last mission's votes since almost everyone was going to down vote it anyway (even you, the proposer, since you scumread Rels in the team).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 10 2015 13:00 GMT
#2223
On November 10 2015 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Don't care. I trust on my reads more on to what mafia might wifom.


You seemed very confident in the earlier me/SL argument though? You mean they could be trying to reproduce that argument now....? I guess it's possible. Still concerns me quite a bit....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 10 2015 13:02 GMT
#2224
Then again, otherwise this will probably go to SL's decision -> fail..... It's like picking between ebola and AIDS....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 10 2015 13:33 GMT
#2226
On November 10 2015 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 22:02 Xatalos wrote:
Then again, otherwise this will probably go to SL's decision -> fail..... It's like picking between ebola and AIDS....

I don't know why you would be "picking between ebola and AIDS" if you can't even make a case on why i should not include kita/Rels on my team...


Mainly just that I'm not that confident on them + SL/HTS endorsing this team. It's not like it's the worst team in itself. Just not the best, and endorsed by the two most likely scum :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 10 2015 14:39 GMT
#2232
On November 10 2015 22:49 Rels wrote:
Xata, why are you suspicious of me ?
Why are you suspicious of kita ?


The NO votes look good for you two, it's just not on the level of a confident townread. Kita for being so vague and non-committal throughout the game, and you because your recent scumgames looked pretty similar to this game too (very active and engaged..).

Now that I think about it, though, scum HTS would have had no good reason to put scum Kita into the first team.... So that gives kita a bit more credibility at least.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 10 2015 15:11 GMT
#2242
On November 10 2015 23:46 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2015 22:02 Xatalos wrote:
Then again, otherwise this will probably go to SL's decision -> fail..... It's like picking between ebola and AIDS....


Just to be clear, am I the Ebola or the AIDS in this metaphor? This is very important.


Ebola
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