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On November 08 2015 21:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 03:28 Rels wrote:On November 07 2015 22:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 22:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 22:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis i would really like you to swap me with Rels. I think Rels has a good chance of being scum though. I'd feel more comfortable with about anyone else but Shockeyy and probably sicklucker (though I'm not entirely convinced it's sicklucker over Xata) IT doesn't even matter if the team gets yay'd or not. It forces sicklucker to give actual reads (as now he is just hiding behind "i will nay everything with Xata/rayn in it") and we'll hear something new from Shockeyy unless he wants that team to go on a mission. Basically if i am on the mission two of the people i think are mafia have a bullshit reason to downvote it and continue saying nothing on other people. Hmmmm It seems very risky though. And I don't like the idea of nominating a team I think likely has a spy. On November 07 2015 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If there is 1 scum in you/xata/sl, and I think there likely is, that means there's 2 scum in Rels/HtS/Shockeyy/Superbia/Kita and I have to select the exact 3 townies from the 5. That seems like a much harder task than selecting the player I have a strong townread on from the mission that failed. I know but the current concensus seems to be only to talk about people who are nominated atm. You can change your mind, but let's see what those people have to say about the team i proposed. Okay, fair enough. I have a concert tonight though so my final team will probably be submitted around like 17:45 GMT (+00:00) unless I read enough on mobile to change my mind by the end of it. ##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Rels, kitaman27, Superbia THAT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE 1 - unless I missed it, you didn't explain why you thought I was scum 2 - you're nominating a team that you think will fail just because rayn told you ? The only explanation I see is that you're scum trying to pass a failure team, put the blame on me (Haha I told you so!) and on rayn (but rayn told me to do that!). I have explained why I think you're likely scum. The gist of it comes down to how it seems like you're just throwing shit at everyone and seeing what sticks, and how you seem to be posting just to be posting. That "vote analysis" thing I dissected was an example of that. As for 2, think harder. Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now for the rest of the game i am going to call HtS bad and make her feel bad.
Hope she is scum. Please Rayn, don't  Saying this off the record: I enjoy playing with you and I think you're a great dude, but you need to not allow things to get to you so much man. People can have differing opinions on things and people can be wrong. That doesn't give you the authority to be a dick over it. Hit me up and we'll play a game if you're still feeling shitty.
1 - your scumread on me wasn't displayed in thread, as demonstrated here:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 08 2015 04:20 Rels wrote:Arta's read evolution on me: Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Need to re-eval rels more when I actually have a pc and can compare filters. Moving him back to null/fear read though. Null read - need evaluation.Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 06:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 02:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 05 2015 22:29 Half the Sky wrote:On the topic of Artanis, I know he said he'd free up more Thursday so I look forward to reading more from him. Can't recall if he has capoeira today though, IRL he has been on a tear with that. Which means if he drops by in the UK, his first objective will be to dropkick me. Damn it.  Nope, I'm gonna mostly have time for the next four hours. I may drop by to dropkick you anyway though  On November 05 2015 07:23 Rels wrote:On November 05 2015 06:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Oh jesus rels is involved in everything as mafia too x_x How do you know I'm involved in everything as town as well ? I'm pretty sure we never played together ?? Two things: A) I assume most people have far more involved town games than scumgames. My townread on you came from the fact that you seem very active and involved in almost every discussion. That's generally enough to townread most players. B) I have seen you play town before, though I haven't played with you. I'm not sure which game I was observing anymore but I have done so. Also C) I never called you scum. I said you're back to null because what I thought made you town is apparently not alignment indicative. OK that makes sense. Security check: can you link me to the game in question ? All my games are in my profile so that should take you like 5 seconds. Im also pretty sure you said you would be reading my filter and evaluating me. Will you do it, or are you pulling a Hts ? Student Mafia XVI. I was a coach there too. I did kinda evaluate you, though not as thoroughly yet as I need to. I also want to know why you suddenly decided to re-eval Rayn. Didn't finish the eval. Rels why did you re evaluate rayn ?Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 18:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm kind of around but at work. Not much to say until we find out if the mission passes or not honestly. If it does, I'm obviously nominating myself with the other three. Don't want to say too much about it before the pass/fail happens to not give any clues to any spy whether they should sabotage or not.
@Rels/HtS your explanations were satisfactory, though I'd still like to hear from HtS what exactly changed her mind on me when she's on a pc. Rels, your explanation was satisfactory.Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 19:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:42 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:25 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:15 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:08 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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Because I just don't understand the point of the post you made. Thinking about the different possible scenarios that could happen from that vote pattern, regardless of what I think of the players myself, so it's easier to understand what's going on when we get the result. I just don't really get why you're going into scenario's where you'll never be able to discern which is which though. Like I said; being "unlikely" that they'd pass a mission with a mafia in it only to follow it up with the fact that it is possible You list the possible scenarios, but I'm pretty sure everyone's already figured that if the 3-person mission passes and the 4-person mission fails, it is in fact possible for one of the people in the 3-person mission to still be a spy. Cause I want it to be clear in my head. And that worked; I discovered that if success-then-fail happened, determining your alignment via behaviour will solve a big part of the game. Well yes, determining the alignment of the 4th player when there's a 3-success then 4-fail is probably important. It just seems like you went for a pretty.. roundabout way of approaching it? Eh, whatever, it's not that important I guess. I kinda wanna hear more from you about Rayn and SL, but I think it's best to wait for the results first. LOL OK said like that it's sound super dumb. (= It has something else to do with voting though: if the team is clean, the scum team is probably shockey / Superbia / kita. If one of them is wrong, you have to be the last scum, since the team is clean and HTS could have voted "no" super easily with what she was saying just before deadline. How are you ever going to determine if the team is clean though? This is what I didn't get from your analysis. Well, by playing the game. There is no way to know for sure: we'll have to use behaviour analysis, vote analysis, etc. I like having all the different scenarios in my head, so I can see which one is more likely; like if I cross this analysis with my reads, I'm pretty sure the team is not clean, 'cause that would either mean that kita / shockey / Superbia are the scums or that you are scum and voted for a clean team. So, your analysis decided that if a 3-player team passes and a 4-player team fails, we need behaviour and vote analysis to determine whether the 4th player is scum or town, and thus decide whether the 3-player team is clean or not. I think you may be on to something here. (after a back and forth) You made a post that didn't say anything.Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted. Why do you suddenly think Rels is town? Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 19:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted. Why do you suddenly think Rels is town? Because it doesn't make sense that 2 sscum voted nay and Shockeyy is 100% scum. I can see it making sense. When scum scumread players on the suggested team, they can't yayvote regardless of what they want. Shockey scumread you and xata and rels scumread you and SL. Even if they wanted to yayvote, they couldn't given their reads. Though I guess I can see how Rels' scumread on both of you came after the team was already nominated, so it was a choice and he didn't really need to turn around and do that. I need to check if he scumread SL before the team was suggested now. Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 19:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Yeah Rels had been suspicious of SL a lot already so there was no way he could vote yes to the mission. Sudden scumread ?Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 19:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 09:52 Rels wrote:On November 07 2015 09:45 Xatalos wrote:On November 07 2015 09:16 Rels wrote:On November 07 2015 08:00 Fidei86 wrote:
!!! MISSION FAILED !!!
1 Sabotage action detected.
Day 2
Artanis[Xp]'s Nomination Phase
Phase will end in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 7 November 2015. Alright then we have at least one scum in Xata / rayn / SL. Then I think we have at the very least 2 scums in Xata / rayn / SL / HTS / Arta, maybe 3. I think that's a reasonable assumption... But rayn is most likely town, so I guess that would mean HTS, Artanis and SL would be scum? Kind of hard to see at least Artanis being scum, HTS maybe. So I'd guess there are 1+ scum hiding in the NO votes as well. Don't know, I'm kinda re evaluating everything here. The obvious answer to me is "rayn is scum, SL is town, rayn put SL to blame him when the team fails." Then at least HTS or Arta with him, maybe both. But SL is not obvious town either, so I'm not sure. And let's not forget YOU are the one that nominated the failing team. If you're scum, that would mean you broke your meta, but that's possible. Okay, hold up, timeline: 1. Rels considered SL scummy. 2. Rels started considering Rayn scummy. 3. Rels still considered SL scummy. 4. Mission fails. 5. Rels considers SL obvious town because he's being set up by Rayn. What happened between 3 and 5 that made you think it's MORE likely for SL to be town after the mission fails? Here is a thing Rels did that was weird.Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 22:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 22:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis i would really like you to swap me with Rels. I think Rels has a good chance of being scum though. I'd feel more comfortable with about anyone else but Shockeyy and probably sicklucker (though I'm not entirely convinced it's sicklucker over Xata) Rels has a good chance of being scum.This makes no sense. I'm null - need eval; since then: - Arta commented on two weird things I did from his POV - I voted NO to a failure team and I have a good chance of being scum ? Artanis. Explain yourself.
Plus, assuming you think I'm scum; you think Xata or SL is scum; who is the third from your POV ? Either HTS, or one of the NO voters ?
2 - I don't get it.
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On November 09 2015 05:48 Half the Sky wrote:
I am here and I will be here until 11pm.
Back to filtering Rels.
Kita, I have a null to oh-so-slight townread on Superbia.
But Kita, other than me, who else are you scumreading?
Cannot wait =D But can you also answer this ?
On November 08 2015 16:47 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 11:55 Half the Sky wrote:On November 08 2015 05:38 Rels wrote:On November 08 2015 05:10 Half the Sky wrote:
ebwop
PPA - percentage play analysis
I need to get to a PC but it's not happening until after deadline.
Also people if I'm missing any questions (even yours Rels) flag me please. Even if I never get on a team if people can understand my direction on things, haphazard as it might be at least you'll consider the fact other people might be Mafia. (At least Superbia understood for a second why I'm playing a suboptimal game.) On November 08 2015 03:33 Rels wrote:On November 07 2015 22:37 Half the Sky wrote:
Eh, I'm voting any team with Rels down on it. The previous team was definitely better.
Even Rels aside, there should be some discussion on Superbia, whom some people are having doubts on.
Enjoy the concert though. I could understand you dodging questions when you were working super hard during the week. I can even confirm that is true. But two days ago, then yesterday, I asked you the same question, and I find it super hard to believe you missed it two times when you're free now. So, if only to ease me, can you answer ? On November 07 2015 09:18 Rels wrote:On November 07 2015 08:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, I know I said sicklucker was the most likely since he was the "least town" but I think especially because the first mission (!!!) failed, it really might be worth our while to tinfoil rayn and Xatalos to make sure we didn't miss anything. Can you explain this ? On November 06 2015 18:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Ah got it James. <3
I'd say at least 2. I think maayyyybe one was smart enough to suck it up and pass? Could be SL for all we know.
And that's a really good question to Shockey, Xata. That doesn't make sense. If SL is mafia and "suck it up and pass" the team, then he didn't "suck it up", he voted "yes" to a team with a scum in it. You seem to assume: - SL is town, since you're wondering whether 2 or 3 mafias voted against it, so it has to be a clean team - SL is mafia, since he could have suck it up and pass Or is there another logical explanation for this post ? 'cause I'm not seeing it So I saw this. I'll be honest, from this I actually cannot tell what you are asking, - I think you are asking me to make sense of why I think SL is sucking it up? I'll start by clarifying my statement. The "smart enough to suck it up and pass" comment was in relation to the fact that in RL resistance most three-person teams (mission 1) pass, based on my previous assumption that that three-person team was town and even with the conventional strategy that a scum would not want to give themselves away by failing the first mission. A scum SL (or scum anyone) would in theory be reluctant to pass that team. That comment was made BEFORE the mission failed. See page 67 of the game, and this was as Xatalos was talking about the no votes being scum votes. And that I was townreading xata/rayn at the time and making the assumption at that time the "least town" in sicklucker was mafia. (Posts 1334/1336) That was not in any way related to post-mission failure. If you read the comment in context on page 67, it should make more sense. That's why it sucks to answer a question so long after the question was made just after your list, during the phase before the failure reveal, whatever the name of the the phase is. So I reformulate: if sl is mafia in this theory, why do you say at least 2 mafias were against the vote ?
Here is the post in question:
On November 06 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Ah got it James. <3
I'd say at least 2. I think maayyyybe one was smart enough to suck it up and pass? Could be SL for all we know.
And that's a really good question to Shockey, Xata.
How can you consider 2 mafia voting against the team AND SL being mafia, so the team being infiltrated, in the same sentence ? OK that's two sentences but I have no idea what the word is for that.
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Going to sleep very soon, see you later folks (=
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On November 09 2015 06:34 Half the Sky wrote:
Rels I mentioned disassociation to Xatalos earlier when he asked me a similar question but in case you think that's too tinfoily it's possible they might have had the room to do that if they could tell from others reads a flawed team would go through.
And no I think I understood what you were trying to ask.
OK basically you're saying that's possible two mafias are voting no because they know two townies that are not on the team will vote YES, so they can disassociate; in this case, you're saying they knew you and Arta would vote YES.
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On November 09 2015 06:40 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town? I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before. (I'm going to assume you actually meant "mafia" by the bolded and that was a mistake) Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:37 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 03 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Rels do you think rayn is scum or not? He's a townlean right now. That probably won't change for the better until a mission he's part of succeeds. Why do you think he's a town lean? Do you still want him to not be part of the first team? Cause he's attacking people over logical things, has hard townreads and is trying to solve the game as a whole. That's his town meta. I'm OK with him being part of the first team. Regarding your read progression on rayn, how were you sure day 1 that the above was town indicative (and not mafia) and how were you sure enough that "hard townreads" however they were, weren't mafia indicative? It is quite possible IMO for mafia to have hard townreads. (Now I realise you said meta, but how do you know - and especially for a player of that calibre - he's not breaking meta?) Post references - 448/496. (pages 5-6 of your filter)
'cause that's how he has always played with me as town, and he didn't the one time I played with him as mafia. Everybody said he scum game is good and that one game was an exception though, that's why I was not sure.
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On November 09 2015 06:41 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 06:40 Rels wrote:On November 09 2015 06:34 Half the Sky wrote:
Rels I mentioned disassociation to Xatalos earlier when he asked me a similar question but in case you think that's too tinfoily it's possible they might have had the room to do that if they could tell from others reads a flawed team would go through.
And no I think I understood what you were trying to ask. OK basically you're saying that's possible two mafias are voting no because they know two townies that are not on the team will vote YES, so they can disassociate; in this case, you're saying they knew you and Arta would vote YES. This is correct. I won't speak for Artanis but I thought I was pretty clear where I stood with who and how I'd vote certain teams. I mentioned at least twice this game (not sure if it was before or after the second mission vote tbh) that I was more concerned about being transparent as well.
Yep you were quite explicit about your vote. Not sure Arta was that transparent though. You might want to check that out before suggesting this hypothesis.
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On November 09 2015 06:43 Half the Sky wrote:
sicklucker are you here?
You said that Superbia lurking was akin to his town meta? Can you name any other games offhand that this would apply? I remember you said sometime in another game (campus mafia) he played a cancerous game but was he inactive in that game or any other you can remember?
His posting as far as I can see - and with Xatalos discouraging his inclusion day 1 - I am pretty sure he's town. Where are you seeing his inactivity as alignment indicative?
Pretty sure he said it was his scum meta. Like 90% sure.
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Alright going to sleep now. Have fun with my filter. (=
Artanis; that's two times you postponed something to talk the day after. You better explain your thought process the minute you come back to the thread after voting is done.
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No here is the reason:
On November 09 2015 00:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 22:18 Rels wrote:On November 08 2015 21:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 08 2015 03:28 Rels wrote:On November 07 2015 22:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 22:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 22:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis i would really like you to swap me with Rels. I think Rels has a good chance of being scum though. I'd feel more comfortable with about anyone else but Shockeyy and probably sicklucker (though I'm not entirely convinced it's sicklucker over Xata) IT doesn't even matter if the team gets yay'd or not. It forces sicklucker to give actual reads (as now he is just hiding behind "i will nay everything with Xata/rayn in it") and we'll hear something new from Shockeyy unless he wants that team to go on a mission. Basically if i am on the mission two of the people i think are mafia have a bullshit reason to downvote it and continue saying nothing on other people. Hmmmm It seems very risky though. And I don't like the idea of nominating a team I think likely has a spy. On November 07 2015 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If there is 1 scum in you/xata/sl, and I think there likely is, that means there's 2 scum in Rels/HtS/Shockeyy/Superbia/Kita and I have to select the exact 3 townies from the 5. That seems like a much harder task than selecting the player I have a strong townread on from the mission that failed. I know but the current concensus seems to be only to talk about people who are nominated atm. You can change your mind, but let's see what those people have to say about the team i proposed. Okay, fair enough. I have a concert tonight though so my final team will probably be submitted around like 17:45 GMT (+00:00) unless I read enough on mobile to change my mind by the end of it. ##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Rels, kitaman27, Superbia THAT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE 1 - unless I missed it, you didn't explain why you thought I was scum 2 - you're nominating a team that you think will fail just because rayn told you ? The only explanation I see is that you're scum trying to pass a failure team, put the blame on me (Haha I told you so!) and on rayn (but rayn told me to do that!). I have explained why I think you're likely scum. The gist of it comes down to how it seems like you're just throwing shit at everyone and seeing what sticks, and how you seem to be posting just to be posting. That "vote analysis" thing I dissected was an example of that. As for 2, think harder. On November 08 2015 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now for the rest of the game i am going to call HtS bad and make her feel bad.
Hope she is scum. Please Rayn, don't Saying this off the record: I enjoy playing with you and I think you're a great dude, but you need to not allow things to get to you so much man. People can have differing opinions on things and people can be wrong. That doesn't give you the authority to be a dick over it. Hit me up and we'll play a game if you're still feeling shitty. 1 - your scumread on me wasn't displayed in thread, as demonstrated here: + Show Spoiler +On November 08 2015 04:20 Rels wrote:Arta's read evolution on me: Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Need to re-eval rels more when I actually have a pc and can compare filters. Moving him back to null/fear read though. Null read - need evaluation.Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 06:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 02:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 05 2015 22:29 Half the Sky wrote:On the topic of Artanis, I know he said he'd free up more Thursday so I look forward to reading more from him. Can't recall if he has capoeira today though, IRL he has been on a tear with that. Which means if he drops by in the UK, his first objective will be to dropkick me. Damn it. Nope, I'm gonna mostly have time for the next four hours. I may drop by to dropkick you anyway though On November 05 2015 07:23 Rels wrote:On November 05 2015 06:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Oh jesus rels is involved in everything as mafia too x_x How do you know I'm involved in everything as town as well ? I'm pretty sure we never played together ?? Two things: A) I assume most people have far more involved town games than scumgames. My townread on you came from the fact that you seem very active and involved in almost every discussion. That's generally enough to townread most players. B) I have seen you play town before, though I haven't played with you. I'm not sure which game I was observing anymore but I have done so. Also C) I never called you scum. I said you're back to null because what I thought made you town is apparently not alignment indicative. OK that makes sense. Security check: can you link me to the game in question ? All my games are in my profile so that should take you like 5 seconds. Im also pretty sure you said you would be reading my filter and evaluating me. Will you do it, or are you pulling a Hts ? Student Mafia XVI. I was a coach there too. I did kinda evaluate you, though not as thoroughly yet as I need to. I also want to know why you suddenly decided to re-eval Rayn. Didn't finish the eval. Rels why did you re evaluate rayn ?Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 18:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm kind of around but at work. Not much to say until we find out if the mission passes or not honestly. If it does, I'm obviously nominating myself with the other three. Don't want to say too much about it before the pass/fail happens to not give any clues to any spy whether they should sabotage or not.
@Rels/HtS your explanations were satisfactory, though I'd still like to hear from HtS what exactly changed her mind on me when she's on a pc. Rels, your explanation was satisfactory.Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 19:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:42 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:25 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:15 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:08 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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Because I just don't understand the point of the post you made. Thinking about the different possible scenarios that could happen from that vote pattern, regardless of what I think of the players myself, so it's easier to understand what's going on when we get the result. I just don't really get why you're going into scenario's where you'll never be able to discern which is which though. Like I said; being "unlikely" that they'd pass a mission with a mafia in it only to follow it up with the fact that it is possible You list the possible scenarios, but I'm pretty sure everyone's already figured that if the 3-person mission passes and the 4-person mission fails, it is in fact possible for one of the people in the 3-person mission to still be a spy. Cause I want it to be clear in my head. And that worked; I discovered that if success-then-fail happened, determining your alignment via behaviour will solve a big part of the game. Well yes, determining the alignment of the 4th player when there's a 3-success then 4-fail is probably important. It just seems like you went for a pretty.. roundabout way of approaching it? Eh, whatever, it's not that important I guess. I kinda wanna hear more from you about Rayn and SL, but I think it's best to wait for the results first. LOL OK said like that it's sound super dumb. (= It has something else to do with voting though: if the team is clean, the scum team is probably shockey / Superbia / kita. If one of them is wrong, you have to be the last scum, since the team is clean and HTS could have voted "no" super easily with what she was saying just before deadline. How are you ever going to determine if the team is clean though? This is what I didn't get from your analysis. Well, by playing the game. There is no way to know for sure: we'll have to use behaviour analysis, vote analysis, etc. I like having all the different scenarios in my head, so I can see which one is more likely; like if I cross this analysis with my reads, I'm pretty sure the team is not clean, 'cause that would either mean that kita / shockey / Superbia are the scums or that you are scum and voted for a clean team. So, your analysis decided that if a 3-player team passes and a 4-player team fails, we need behaviour and vote analysis to determine whether the 4th player is scum or town, and thus decide whether the 3-player team is clean or not. I think you may be on to something here. (after a back and forth) You made a post that didn't say anything.Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted. Why do you suddenly think Rels is town? Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 19:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted. Why do you suddenly think Rels is town? Because it doesn't make sense that 2 sscum voted nay and Shockeyy is 100% scum. I can see it making sense. When scum scumread players on the suggested team, they can't yayvote regardless of what they want. Shockey scumread you and xata and rels scumread you and SL. Even if they wanted to yayvote, they couldn't given their reads. Though I guess I can see how Rels' scumread on both of you came after the team was already nominated, so it was a choice and he didn't really need to turn around and do that. I need to check if he scumread SL before the team was suggested now. Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 19:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Yeah Rels had been suspicious of SL a lot already so there was no way he could vote yes to the mission. Sudden scumread ?Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 19:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 09:52 Rels wrote:On November 07 2015 09:45 Xatalos wrote:On November 07 2015 09:16 Rels wrote:On November 07 2015 08:00 Fidei86 wrote:
!!! MISSION FAILED !!!
1 Sabotage action detected.
Day 2
Artanis[Xp]'s Nomination Phase
Phase will end in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 7 November 2015. Alright then we have at least one scum in Xata / rayn / SL. Then I think we have at the very least 2 scums in Xata / rayn / SL / HTS / Arta, maybe 3. I think that's a reasonable assumption... But rayn is most likely town, so I guess that would mean HTS, Artanis and SL would be scum? Kind of hard to see at least Artanis being scum, HTS maybe. So I'd guess there are 1+ scum hiding in the NO votes as well. Don't know, I'm kinda re evaluating everything here. The obvious answer to me is "rayn is scum, SL is town, rayn put SL to blame him when the team fails." Then at least HTS or Arta with him, maybe both. But SL is not obvious town either, so I'm not sure. And let's not forget YOU are the one that nominated the failing team. If you're scum, that would mean you broke your meta, but that's possible. Okay, hold up, timeline: 1. Rels considered SL scummy. 2. Rels started considering Rayn scummy. 3. Rels still considered SL scummy. 4. Mission fails. 5. Rels considers SL obvious town because he's being set up by Rayn. What happened between 3 and 5 that made you think it's MORE likely for SL to be town after the mission fails? Here is a thing Rels did that was weird.Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 22:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 22:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis i would really like you to swap me with Rels. I think Rels has a good chance of being scum though. I'd feel more comfortable with about anyone else but Shockeyy and probably sicklucker (though I'm not entirely convinced it's sicklucker over Xata) Rels has a good chance of being scum.This makes no sense. I'm null - need eval; since then: - Arta commented on two weird things I did from his POV - I voted NO to a failure team and I have a good chance of being scum ? Artanis. Explain yourself. Plus, assuming you think I'm scum; you think Xata or SL is scum; who is the third from your POV ? Either HTS, or one of the NO voters ? 2 - I don't get it. 1. The scumread was implicit by the fact that I pressed you on one thing for quite some time. I'd figure you'd notice. 2. If I lay it out then it loses its purpose.
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No here is why arta is probably scum:
- voting yes to a failure team while not in said failure team
- his read on me is super convenient and is based on nothing strong
- he nominated a team without me; rayn tells him to nominate me; he argues that he thinks I am scum, then he nominates me anyway
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On November 09 2015 06:57 Half the Sky wrote:
So both of you are scumreading each other for dodging questions? Am I reading that right? I think I can see what Artanis is doing with #2 tbh, but seeing people hesistant to show all their cards to a potential scumread is not something I consider scum indicative.
Source on arta scumreading me for dodging plz.
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Ready to read that shallowness meta analysis any time BTW!
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Alright sleeping for real. 50 minutes before results is too long. See you all tomorrow!
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On November 09 2015 07:59 Fidei86 wrote:
Day 2
Artanis[Xp]'s Nomination (Artanis[Xp], Rels, Kitaman27, Superbia)
Vote Result
Half the Sky - NO
Xatalos - NO
Artanis[Xp] - NO
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - YES
Rels - NO
sicklucker - NO
kitaman27 - NO
Superbia - NO
MISSION IS REJECTED
Day 2
raynpelikoneet's Nomination Phase
Phase will end in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 9 November 2015.
Sockey what did you vote YES ? I'm pretty sure you said just before that you were suspicious of Arta ?
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On November 09 2015 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things.
So what did you learn ?
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On November 09 2015 08:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 07:01 Rels wrote:
No here is why arta is probably scum:
- voting yes to a failure team while not in said failure team
- his read on me is super convenient and is based on nothing strong
- he nominated a team without me; rayn tells him to nominate me; he argues that he thinks I am scum, then he nominates me anyway -Explained my reasoning already. Doesn't make me scum. -My reasoning is plain to see and I pushed you on it. -Explained this just now.
Well you can have all the reasoning in the world, you're still scum 'cause your reasonning sucks (= you think I'm scum for weak reasons. It's especially weird that you don't seem to push suspicions on HTS that much, which if you're town is 99% scum, the 1% being "2 scums voted NO" or "2 scums were on the first team". Your reasoning for nominating the team was "OK I'll follow rayn so I don't have to explain anything".
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Not much time to play today; I'll restate that I'll vote NO to any team containing either HTS or Arta. My prefered setup would countain 3 from the NO voters and 1 from the failed team.
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On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy
LOL did you nominate yourself and your three scumreads ? =D
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On November 09 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hold on
I just realized one of HtS/Rels/Shockeyy is always town.
I'm not sure why I didn't realize that before.
Please share your thought process.
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