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On November 06 2015 00:58 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 00:54 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 00:51 Xatalos wrote:
Isn't that case just kind of like a list of non-alignment indicative things, Rels...? How's that making him super suspicious? Read it ? rayn is saying I'm scum 'cause my cases are boring, when it's false in both ways (I can make Superbia-like case as town, I can make evolving push as scum); and he should know it's false, since he's played in the game of the first example (and used a push of this game to explain his meta read on me), and hosted the game of the second example. But both examples end with "he could be tunneled town or scum"...? And I agree, even a mistaken push doesn't really make scum. If you're town, it's obviously mistaken from your POV, but even so it's not scum-making. And it's pretty hard to establish your innocence IMO with your massively active scumgames >.>
Exactly. If he's town, he'll realize he's wrong and move on to either scumread me for other reasons, or drop the scumread; something that is way harder to do as scum when you have your reads mapped out strategically.
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On November 06 2015 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 00:54 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 00:51 Xatalos wrote:
Isn't that case just kind of like a list of non-alignment indicative things, Rels...? How's that making him super suspicious? Read it ? rayn is saying I'm scum 'cause my cases are boring, when it's false in both ways (I can make Superbia-like case as town, I can make evolving push as scum); and he should know it's false, since he's played in the game of the first example (and used a push of this game to explain his meta read on me), and hosted the game of the second example. You don't even know what i am referring to. It has nothing to do with a push being static or anything. Your cases are based on bad stuff, they are not intelligent at all. You fail to notice stuff that is actually scummy and you make bad pushes based on bad things. You are boring. You don't say anything smart. Yoiur questions are uninteresting, and i don't even know what they are. I have never said kitaman knows your town meta. Ever.
On November 03 2015 19:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 18:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 18:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 18:16 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:12 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:[quote] yep, completely the same thing than getting mad at someone's terrible argument, right?  Haha... Btw is there some real difference in rayn's ragefests between alignments? Maybe he gets angry a bit easier as town? I don't think he even got really MAD in the VS game, compared to the Vanilla game. Probably not. I don't actually fake emotion as mafia. Do you find Rels would be so antagonistic against you, the person pushing discussion in the thread, on day one as spy? Making firm conclusions like "rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.". Definitely could be the case given how the last game with Xatalos went. That was before the question ... so you really meant that. You know how I play as scum; I wouldn't try to win by making you ragequit / modkilled / whatever, 'cause that wouldn't be a win. This bothers me very much rayn. How could you think that. You scumread me (partly) for "Rels scumreads me for a dumb meta reason". You know what; I think this is a very dumb meta reason (me trying to make you ragequit). I have never called you mafia because of it. I am saying you could do that as scum, as kitaman was basically arguing the other way around. What post did you reference by saying that ?
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On November 05 2015 06:30 Rels wrote:@rayn from your huge wall: Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The fact is, if you read Rels' posts in this light, there is literally way way way more things that are just plain out fucking scummy. Expand. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Now the point of all this was a couple of things: - Rels; i didn't learn anything, although he called my logic "twisted", and i still don't know why. maybe he explains it someday, as there is nothing twisted in my logic. (i am pretty sure Xatalos & Artanis see what i was after here) - ShoCkeyy; i don't really care since he is scum anyways, but he thinks i am scum (regardless of what he tries to say -- he does), so why does he accept a team proposed by scum? Like.. if i was scum i would put a teammate there, obviously, i am not stupid. - regarding you, i wanted to push your reads out, because i was annoyed of you not giving any concrete reads. I know you would never agree to this regardless of who is mafia and regardless of your alignment. The thing that confuses me is that you kinda called me scummy for it, when there is literally no scum motivation for me to do that (i actually did a similar "anti-town" thing in Nuclear Winter mafia (which never had any anti-town motivation that anyone could explain) -- and caught Ace pants down on N1 ). Your logic is twisted because the goal of the game is to pass mission, not fail them. I clearly said there is a town motivation behind your proposal though. So I don't understand why I'm on that list ? Expand.
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On November 05 2015 06:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 05 2015 03:27 kitaman27 wrote:On November 05 2015 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
She thinks both you and kita are town but she picks the person that is least likely to get yay-voted in the team.
It makes very little sense. What would be the mafia motivation to suggest a team with a less optimal chance of success here? If HtS is mafia it comes down to this: 1) the team of HtS/Xatalos/rayn gets yay'd; me and Xatalos have "almost definitely confirmed scum", which suddenly makes everything HtS says after that a possibility of a big fuckup. She also needs to argue why Xatalos is scum. 2) the team of HtS/kita/rayn gets yay'd; She can actually more conveniently argue that kitaman is scum, because other people think kitaman is scum aswell. She don't even really need to argue, she can just +1 on the points. (the contrary to (1) is that i am not 100% arguing against her) 3) the team of HtS/kita/rayn get's nay'd (which is very very likely in the first place); she doesn't out herself, and passes the turn onto someone else -- she "looks better" to you, which increases her possibilities of getting picked later on as she is "right". Personally i see the scum motivation in (2) and (3) over (1). If i was at HtS' position i would definitely pick either (2) or (3) over the possibility (1), since regardless of who is scum in this game at that time (and even now) the town is not working very well together. Do you see me being scum with HTS ?
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That's not the question. English motherfucker! Let's read it together:
What post did you reference by saying that ?
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On November 06 2015 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am fucking annoyed i have to argue with fucking stupidity.
"Rels is scum. Rels is stupid." Does not work that way.
And I don't fucking care. Answer the fucking questions.
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On November 06 2015 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Fucking easiest thing to find in kitaman's filter. Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:12 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:07 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did anyone actually look at the game and why i got mad there? Yeah you messed up the vote timing I think? Well, you basically lost because of it, so I can understand getting angry in that situation. yep, completely the same thing than getting mad at someone's terrible argument, right? Haha... Btw is there some real difference in rayn's ragefests between alignments? Maybe he gets angry a bit easier as town? I don't think he even got really MAD in the VS game, compared to the Vanilla game. Probably not. I don't actually fake emotion as mafia. Do you find Rels would be so antagonistic against you, the person pushing discussion in the thread, on day one as spy? Making firm conclusions like "rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.". somehow you didn't manage to figure it out.
Yeah. It doesn't make sense. You know as scum I push for the easy targets. You've played or hosted all the games I've been scum / 3P. So it makes no sense you would say this in response:
On November 03 2015 18:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 18:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 18:16 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:12 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:07 Xatalos wrote:
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Yeah you messed up the vote timing I think? Well, you basically lost because of it, so I can understand getting angry in that situation. yep, completely the same thing than getting mad at someone's terrible argument, right? Haha... Btw is there some real difference in rayn's ragefests between alignments? Maybe he gets angry a bit easier as town? I don't think he even got really MAD in the VS game, compared to the Vanilla game. Probably not. I don't actually fake emotion as mafia. Do you find Rels would be so antagonistic against you, the person pushing discussion in the thread, on day one as spy? Making firm conclusions like "rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.". Definitely could be the case given how the last game with Xatalos went. That was before the question ... so you really meant that. You know how I play as scum; I wouldn't try to win by making you ragequit / modkilled / whatever, 'cause that wouldn't be a win. This bothers me very much rayn. How could you think that. You scumread me (partly) for "Rels scumreads me for a dumb meta reason". You know what; I think this is a very dumb meta reason (me trying to make you ragequit). I have never called you mafia because of it. I am saying you could do that as scum, as kitaman was basically arguing the other way around.
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On November 06 2015 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 01:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Hmmm rayn is starting to get mad again... Yes i am. Which is why i am going to leave now. I hope the townies can see what the correct way to vote here is.
1 - You have 3 more questions to answer
2 - It doesn't make sense you say "he could do that as scum" talking about me pushing a thread leader, when you know I don't play that way.
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On November 06 2015 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Rels, the fucking conversation you referred to is really fucking straight forward. Somehow you manage to not understand it at all.
This is why i don't answer stupid questions. I don't want to waste time on fucking bullshit that doesn't have anything to do with anything. THE POST I WAS REFERRING TO IS IN THE NESTED QUOTES AND IT WAS VERY FUCKING CLEAR WHERE I WAS REFERRING TO BECAUSE IT IS IN THE SAME FUCKING CONVERSATION.
You make easy things hard. Stop.
No. You are either wrong or scum. You cannot think my scum game is PUSHING THREAD LEADERS. So if you're town, go reread my scum games and come back admitting you've made a mistake. If you're scum, feel free to do whatever.
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On November 06 2015 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 01:15 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Fucking easiest thing to find in kitaman's filter. On November 03 2015 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:12 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:07 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did anyone actually look at the game and why i got mad there? Yeah you messed up the vote timing I think? Well, you basically lost because of it, so I can understand getting angry in that situation. yep, completely the same thing than getting mad at someone's terrible argument, right? Haha... Btw is there some real difference in rayn's ragefests between alignments? Maybe he gets angry a bit easier as town? I don't think he even got really MAD in the VS game, compared to the Vanilla game. Probably not. I don't actually fake emotion as mafia. Do you find Rels would be so antagonistic against you, the person pushing discussion in the thread, on day one as spy? Making firm conclusions like "rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.". somehow you didn't manage to figure it out. Yeah. It doesn't make sense. You know as scum I push for the easy targets. You've played or hosted all the games I've been scum / 3P. So it makes no sense you would say this in response: On November 03 2015 18:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 18:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 18:16 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:12 Xatalos wrote:
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Haha... Btw is there some real difference in rayn's ragefests between alignments? Maybe he gets angry a bit easier as town? I don't think he even got really MAD in the VS game, compared to the Vanilla game. Probably not. I don't actually fake emotion as mafia. Do you find Rels would be so antagonistic against you, the person pushing discussion in the thread, on day one as spy? Making firm conclusions like "rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.". Definitely could be the case given how the last game with Xatalos went. That was before the question ... so you really meant that. You know how I play as scum; I wouldn't try to win by making you ragequit / modkilled / whatever, 'cause that wouldn't be a win. This bothers me very much rayn. How could you think that. You scumread me (partly) for "Rels scumreads me for a dumb meta reason". You know what; I think this is a very dumb meta reason (me trying to make you ragequit). I have never called you mafia because of it. I am saying you could do that as scum, as kitaman was basically arguing the other way around. I don't give any fucks. You do scummy shit in this game. You are scum.
One of the questions you didn't answer is "expand". So do it.
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On November 06 2015 01:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 06 2015 01:15 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Fucking easiest thing to find in kitaman's filter. On November 03 2015 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:12 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:07 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did anyone actually look at the game and why i got mad there? Yeah you messed up the vote timing I think? Well, you basically lost because of it, so I can understand getting angry in that situation. yep, completely the same thing than getting mad at someone's terrible argument, right? Haha... Btw is there some real difference in rayn's ragefests between alignments? Maybe he gets angry a bit easier as town? I don't think he even got really MAD in the VS game, compared to the Vanilla game. Probably not. I don't actually fake emotion as mafia. Do you find Rels would be so antagonistic against you, the person pushing discussion in the thread, on day one as spy? Making firm conclusions like "rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.". somehow you didn't manage to figure it out. Yeah. It doesn't make sense. You know as scum I push for the easy targets. You've played or hosted all the games I've been scum / 3P. So it makes no sense you would say this in response: On November 03 2015 18:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 18:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 18:16 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Probably not. I don't actually fake emotion as mafia. Do you find Rels would be so antagonistic against you, the person pushing discussion in the thread, on day one as spy? Making firm conclusions like "rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.". Definitely could be the case given how the last game with Xatalos went. That was before the question ... so you really meant that. You know how I play as scum; I wouldn't try to win by making you ragequit / modkilled / whatever, 'cause that wouldn't be a win. This bothers me very much rayn. How could you think that. You scumread me (partly) for "Rels scumreads me for a dumb meta reason". You know what; I think this is a very dumb meta reason (me trying to make you ragequit). I have never called you mafia because of it. I am saying you could do that as scum, as kitaman was basically arguing the other way around. I don't give any fucks. You do scummy shit in this game. You are scum. One of the questions you didn't answer is "expand". So do it.
The third is "why am I on a list on people failing the 'rayn's plan is scummy!' test when I said it was town motivated ?"
The fourth is "do you really picture me and HTS scum together ?"
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On November 06 2015 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
bye bye.
See you when you're ready to talk (=
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Leaving work soon. Voting no atm. Going to the theater tonight so won't be active tonigth! My vote won't change unless this happen:
On November 06 2015 01:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Rels, the fucking conversation you referred to is really fucking straight forward. Somehow you manage to not understand it at all.
This is why i don't answer stupid questions. I don't want to waste time on fucking bullshit that doesn't have anything to do with anything. THE POST I WAS REFERRING TO IS IN THE NESTED QUOTES AND IT WAS VERY FUCKING CLEAR WHERE I WAS REFERRING TO BECAUSE IT IS IN THE SAME FUCKING CONVERSATION.
You make easy things hard. Stop. No. You are either wrong or scum. You cannot think my scum game is PUSHING THREAD LEADERS. So if you're town, go reread my scum games and come back admitting you've made a mistake. If you're scum, feel free to do whatever.
+ SL explains the kita's question, 'cause actually his explanation makes no sense.
Superbia you have one question waiting for you.
SL you have one question from kita waiting for you.
rayn you have one admittance + 3 questions just for you. Lucky you!
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SL in case you go "BUT I VE ANSWERED TWICE ALREADY", here is the new interrogation of the day:
On November 05 2015 23:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there.. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team So these were the posts that came within 6 minutes of each other. Super said the team would get rejected with SL, but Artanis would have gotten votes instead. Now how could you think the team was SL/rayn/artanis if super is stating that artanis should have been included in the same exact post that you respond that he is scum?
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Yo folks! Not home so I'll be phoneposting
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On November 06 2015 01:35 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 01:18 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Rels, the fucking conversation you referred to is really fucking straight forward. Somehow you manage to not understand it at all.
This is why i don't answer stupid questions. I don't want to waste time on fucking bullshit that doesn't have anything to do with anything. THE POST I WAS REFERRING TO IS IN THE NESTED QUOTES AND IT WAS VERY FUCKING CLEAR WHERE I WAS REFERRING TO BECAUSE IT IS IN THE SAME FUCKING CONVERSATION.
You make easy things hard. Stop. No. You are either wrong or scum. You cannot think my scum game is PUSHING THREAD LEADERS. So if you're town, go reread my scum games and come back admitting you've made a mistake. If you're scum, feel free to do whatever. I don't think pushing leaders is that hard to do as scum anyway... Even if you don't usually do it, there's nothing inherently stopping you from doing that here... So I kind of fail to see how a disagreement over your meta makes him scum or even suspicious?
Again; he's wrong in assuming that's something I would do as scum. If he's town, he will re evaluate.
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On November 06 2015 02:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 22:29 Half the Sky wrote:On the topic of Artanis, I know he said he'd free up more Thursday so I look forward to reading more from him. Can't recall if he has capoeira today though, IRL he has been on a tear with that. Which means if he drops by in the UK, his first objective will be to dropkick me. Damn it.  Nope, I'm gonna mostly have time for the next four hours. I may drop by to dropkick you anyway though  Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 07:23 Rels wrote:On November 05 2015 06:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Oh jesus rels is involved in everything as mafia too x_x How do you know I'm involved in everything as town as well ? I'm pretty sure we never played together ?? Two things: A) I assume most people have far more involved town games than scumgames. My townread on you came from the fact that you seem very active and involved in almost every discussion. That's generally enough to townread most players. B) I have seen you play town before, though I haven't played with you. I'm not sure which game I was observing anymore but I have done so. Also C) I never called you scum. I said you're back to null because what I thought made you town is apparently not alignment indicative.
OK that makes sense. Security check: can you link me to the game in question ? All my games are in my profile so that should take you like 5 seconds.
Im also pretty sure you said you would be reading my filter and evaluating me. Will you do it, or are you pulling a Hts ?
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On November 06 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rels, why did you flip your Rayn read based on things that had already happened before you townread him initially? What made you think about him again? Your argument's revolved around things he should know, but no part of your argument was new to when you said he was definitely town.
I'm on phone so no quote: read my big post. The first line is something like "I thought he was confirmed because he made a very similar post about noobking in newbie XIII". But actually its super suspicious that he uses this game to prove that my case are boring, when my play D1 this game was boring. Now he defends himself saying "But its not THIS kind of boring!", when he clearly said in example of me being town " look how he's always looking for something new on noobking".
I get that this is not very clear without quote; read my big post and the reactions after it to understand.
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On November 06 2015 06:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 06:28 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Rels, why did you flip your Rayn read based on things that had already happened before you townread him initially? What made you think about him again? Your argument's revolved around things he should know, but no part of your argument was new to when you said he was definitely town. I'm on phone so no quote: read my big post. The first line is something like "I thought he was confirmed because he made a very similar post about noobking in newbie XIII". But actually its super suspicious that he uses this game to prove that my case are boring, when my play D1 this game was boring. Now he defends himself saying "But its not THIS kind of boring!", when he clearly said in example of me being town " look how he's always looking for something new on noobking". I get that this is not very clear without quote; read my big post and the reactions after it to understand. Yeah but what made you think about this? He hadn't said anything new since your last post.
I don't know. I just thought about it and realized it didn't make sense to take as example a push of mine in one game, and forget another one in the same game that was the opposite.
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Like I'm thinking about this game all the time, trying to solve it. I just love that feeling of thinking about something new that make sense
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