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Basically if you "out" yourself to two most talkative people in the game in mission 1 you are really likely fucked, but you can't really exclude them either, as you are also fucked if you call them scum. 
In the last game I nay'd my scumbuddy Adam's (Coag later) D1 proposition (4-5 votes) as scum because i knew he would look fucking terrible after that and that everyone would consider him scum. The long term play was that i might need Coag later on, which ended up to be the correct play since Corazon was heavily scumread on later days.
It's not like "just get one scum on the first mission and it is the best outcome". That's really narrow minded to think like that, especially when the alternative makes sense from scum perspective.
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I don't have much to say to your big post kita. I just disagree.
I suggest you go read Rels' scumgames to see what he is capable of:
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Rels]Season of the Witch II[/ur]
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?user=Rels]Battle of Drams[/url]
Basically the cases he makes look "good" but they are boring. lol, i can't explain that better.
Like here Superbia and to some extent HtS are like furious and spit flames everywhere (like BM in SotW game) when getting into argument with Rels. Rels is just.. boring, and the reasoning is boring. And he makes conclusions that don't make any sense, at all.
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With boring i mean this;
In contrary, here is a game where Rels argues "in a same way" with someone (n00bking, the final day and a night before). There he tried to take different approaches, tried to find new information, and like... he was fucking arguing while noobking was just sayin "but you lied. [insert 1000 nonsensical words here].
There n00bking was boring, and mafia. Rels was arguing.
Here Rels is boring, other people are arguing with him.
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Anyways, i think the team is fine for now. I gotta go, but i'll be on my phone.
Might not post much, but i am following the game anyways.
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On November 05 2015 04:45 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 05 2015 03:27 kitaman27 wrote:On November 05 2015 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
She thinks both you and kita are town but she picks the person that is least likely to get yay-voted in the team.
It makes very little sense. What would be the mafia motivation to suggest a team with a less optimal chance of success here? If HtS is mafia it comes down to this: Yeah I guess it's another one of those "if player x is spy, this explains things" rather than "this happened, therefore player x is probably spy".
No it isnt. It is another instance where i elaborate to "this action has no scum motive" with "here is the scum motive".
i dont like when i am asked about something - or been given non-logical arguments - and answer them, people turn them around and say something irrelevant instead of agreeing/disagreeing with what i ACTUALLY say...
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On November 05 2015 05:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 05:26 kitaman27 wrote:On November 05 2015 02:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I also don't need to place myself on my own team if I'm confident on who is town. Back to work. The problem that I have here is that you said you would pass every combination except the xat + rayn combo. rayn really seems to be the player you were most suspicious of on day one, yet you sent it through. Also, don't get discouraged by everyone scum reading you if you are indeed town. People are going to reject pretty much anything you say if the hive mind is against you. Just keep trucking and maybe it will help sometime down the road The reason I passed it was because if a sabotage happened on the first mission, then that can just fuel the suspicion even more and more people would start to see what I'm talking about. Also, Idc if people scum read me, I've been playing TL Mafia since the mafia forums first opened ;p
I am a bit confused.
Am i mafia or am i not mafia? Is xatalos mafia or is he not mafia?
If yes. Why?
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On November 05 2015 05:46 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well to be fair, Superbia, at which point you started townreading Xatalos?
I assume you are townreading him now, right? Upwards slope after I started flipping on him. I feel his logic has been super consistent this game. Especially on me. Like it's been logical but still wary. Feels very natural.
I'd like to hear a page number or poat or something where null gets upgraded to town.
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On November 05 2015 05:57 Superbia wrote:
Looking at his filter I can't really find a post that jumps out as super town or whatever. But from my POV I know I'm town, right. And rels was coming after me hard, but Xat never wavered on his town-lean on me. It was at most null. If Xat was mafia I think he would've agreed with Rels regardless of Rels alignment and would've taken the opportunity to flip on me and put on more pressure.
Okay. Can you explain why you called HtS' team of me/xatalos/her "fishy" (or smth like that)?
The post is in your filter, probably on p2 or 3. I know, from your posting at that time, at least that is what your posts suggeat, that you read her town and me town, so....
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On November 03 2015 05:56 Superbia wrote:
Okay. I'm here. Gonna read through some stuff, play some isaac. Expect some comments later. Probably before deadline. Haven't made my mind up on team yet. First glance seems HtS is leaning town. Yet team feels iffy. Idk yet.
This post. Who is iffy?
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On November 05 2015 07:47 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, let's go with that. If SL appears worse by tomorrow, it can be turned over to Artanis anyway.
So the risk is really pretty small.
All the scum ppl dont want sl so he is a good pick.
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Fuck you are so town sl.
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Again drunk. ..
Kita if you are town youre so bad.
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On November 05 2015 11:18 sicklucker wrote:
im gonna be so salty if sicklucker pockets me
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On November 05 2015 23:58 ShoCkeyy wrote:Idk why it's so hard for people to understand I knew the votes would be visible... Also it's not hard to look through my filter. Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 03:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I'm pretty much going to reject the xata/rayn combo wombo. I'd rather see the first team mentioned - hts,super,xata go through. At least if a sabotage happens, we definitely have a good chance of finding the mafia until the next mission. The lineup when I voted was HtS, Xata and Kita, which I was perfectly fine with. Also, a bit more on my strategy. Losing the first one is a big deal to me, because then we have 1 out of 3 that have to be mafia. We just do not ever send any of them to any missions. After there will be three missions that are ready to be won since the fourth one needs at least 2 mafia members and we know of already one by then who hasn't gone on any other missions. Obviously there will be two more, as well, but with this game dragging out, it'll eventually be easy to spot them.
So your reads are:
HtS - town
kitaman - town
Superbia - town
Artanis - town
Rels - town
I assume you think you are yourself town
Now you are okay with including either me or Xatalos into the mission so you would know which one is scum if the mission fails. Do you see the problem?
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Losing the first one is a big deal to me, because then we have 1 out of 3 that have to be mafia. We just do not ever send any of them to any missions.
Okay so in your opinion we have now a mission with three mafia in there.
I guess you are yay-voting the team since the town autowins when the mission fails, right?
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Well he's gonna vote yes since we are all mafia, then we just don't send any of us into next missions and his town wins.
EZPZ. Unless he wants to claim scum ofc..
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On November 06 2015 00:35 Xatalos wrote:
I guess I can see the logic if he thinks we're all scum on the mission?
He said if one of me / you were on mission 1 it's okay, because the other two are town, so he would know for sure who is scum. But if me AND you are on the mission, he wouldn't know for sure which one of us is scum. But then he also townreads everyone except for me/you/sl, so why would he need to "figure out which one of rayn/xatalosis mafia" in the first place?
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and this points to kitaman being scum.
because i think the real reason was not to "not have both of xatalos/rayn on a mission" but instead have mafia on a mission -> kitaman.
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On November 06 2015 00:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I only have like four people town read. L2R.
which person/people outside me/xatalos/sicklucker do you not read town?
you have literally said you think rels is town. you have literally said you think artanis is town.
You also said you are okay with HtS/kitaman (or superbia) and one of me + xatalos is an okay team to go, because then we would know for sure who is mafia in there (me/xatalos) -> that literally means you think all of hts/kitaman/superbia are town.
Or is this another instance of "i say things in a way that i can argue later on that i didn't actually say them at all"?
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