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On November 17 2015 11:12 NocturneMage wrote:
It's past 2am and I really need to stop now. List post so I know where to pick up later -
Town:
ritoky - right now, strongest town read
Probably town:
geript (assuming read/followup on Trfel makes sense)
Townlean:
Shining - seemed opinionated enough but need to revisit interaction with Eversince
Trfel - had no issues with the case or his follow up to VE, although my one reservation on him is how he goes form post 523 on VE to "probably not mafia" to later in his filter to 583 where he cites Scott and VE as standing out for him to lynch. So that is a gap in explanation that needs to be sorted.
Breshke - answers to my questions were satisfactory and is pressuring VE for answers. I also notice he is engaging his scumreads and trying to resolve them.
VisceraEyes:
VisceraEyes - I'm really trying not to be a dick here, but I really cannot understand this guy's play but if I can work him out I'll work with him. Answering Breshke's questions and providing more reads would help.
Null:
Eversince - just couldn't get around to her today.
disformation - there are legitimate town and mafia tells but I would use another day to work on him
Fecalfeast - he didn't explain the reads early game, but he openly admitted he was lazy. seems intent on lynching scott and putting pressure on Moosy to play the game which is towny though. My gut says town, but I could be wrong.
Scumlean
scott - list post was adequate for entrance and reminded me of his past town games or no different, but lack of additional input will move him down on my list. Lack of followup on Trfel is meh. Updates on other reads would help.
FarahBlackwing - This is another player I'm seeing both town and mafia attributes but more of the second here. Didn't like her opening and lack of explanation on her reaction test. I didn't agree with post 299 on the lack of emotion because I sensed emotion in his posts. I disagree with her meta (second game ever!) on Shining but I also agreed with her read formation on VE, which makes sense for a new player. She didn't actually provide a read on MoosyDoosy other than frustration. And her final post (594) I don't see how she's townreading Eversince and then calling the exchange odd and saying "some things don't feel forced".
Likely mafia:
MoosyDoosy - didn't like his entrance, didn't like his martyring (self-meta), didn't like his use of meta, even after explanation, and the push on Farah was just hilariously wrong.
##unvote
Folks, if there's shit I missed reading or whatever or if I read something wrong, let me know. I'm coming in on an off day and I plan to lie in a bit tomorrow, but there's a few people I still need to read and follow up on. should be around for the end of the cycle.
Good night everyone.
Alright, so I need to retrace Farah, and look into more of my null reads. Still also grappling with geript versus Trfel but it wouldn't surprise me in the end if it was town vs town. I think if Trfel could give more reads it might be a bit more helpful.
I still don't understand how Farah doesn't like the meta read but uses it on Shining.
Was obviously wrong on Scott, probably wrong on Moosy now.
I have too many question marks at the moment. Please there better be a cop this game.
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Toodles is an American word disformation....pretty sure of it.
Now seriously afk....this game is a bit addictive xD
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Last points aren't bad from Trfel, partially why I suggested checking VE if someone's really doubtful.
Also geript can you please explain not using meta why Trfel is mafia?
Instead of being just wrong? I think I've been asking you that from the beginning and I really can't wrap my head around it. Scott was suspicious of Trfel using another newbie game - does it come down to blowing things out of proportion? If Trfel was malicious I could see him going for townies that are easy to push like disformation. Then again he pushed Scott but he also cased VE whom the thread leaders are ATM protecting so he's risking extra scrutiny or was by pushing VE.
Scott said Trfel wrote scummy cases but if I got some insight into how they were scummy that would help me understand.
A lot of his points do resonate in my mind so I'm having a lot of difficulties as to why Trfel is pushing Mafia agenda besides all the meta expectations being thrown out.
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On November 19 2015 04:38 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Trfel obviously not reading the game
Does this make him "bad" or mafia?
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On November 19 2015 04:51 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 04:48 NocturneMage wrote:On November 19 2015 04:38 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Trfel obviously not reading the game Does this make him "bad" or mafia? hopefully mafia would make life so much easier
What? Why "hopefully"? Are you drawing an association between him and someone else? I've been told unflappable association is not a good thing.
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ebwop - wow fuck autocorrect. That should be unflipped association not unflappable.
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Oh wow. So we have a vig.
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Just seeing the NKs, I'd say VE was vig shot since geript was mostly townread. But if that's the case....that implicates Breshke/Trfel but I don't want to get too far into WIFOM territory.
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Shining it says flavour is for fun. In any case, its possible scum could have tried to blue hunt and VE the kill but who knows.
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On November 19 2015 06:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@NocturneMage, jesus christ do townie things you're freaking me out. Also, if you agree with my read, help me lynch Farah.
@Trfel, re-evaluate your reads and get back to me. I want you to seriously consider the Farah lynch.
I'm at work mate, another overnight. I have my tablet on me though so I can at least play a little more effectively during my dinner break....which is at midnight my time.
##vote FarahBackwing
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On November 19 2015 06:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also this is actually my last post before I go and it's a pun for ya'll.
@NocturneMage and @Breshke, even if I'm scum, I'm 100% hard busing my partner here. :D
No, just stop this shit please. xD
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On November 19 2015 06:43 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 06:24 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Everyone except Ritoky, Eversince and FecalFeast have entered the thread at this point.
You claim your shot as soon as you can as vig so that mafia can't create confusion later on with claiming the shot.
We can eliminate Ritoky from the list of consideration because he hard town read VE throughout the day even if he dropped a bit due to inactivity.
Eversince hasn't been here and didn't respond during the night which makes her highly unlikely to be the vigilante
FecalFeast is the best candidate left currently. Sorry not sure how I missed this. I don't think the vigi has to claim straight away but its not worth discussing and i can see why you would think that.
I do not like that post from Farah at all. This is day 2, not mylo.
I might be somewhat new here, but from all the games I've obsed, I can think of a few decent reasons for the vig waiting to claim. I can't see any town motivation personally for trying to openly out the vig or any blue role for that matter.
The Eversince comment is a bad one because you don't know for sure if she's reading and just choosing not to post for medical/whatever and may have just slipped a PM. Who knows.
The ritoky comment is bad in the event someone tinfoiled (is that the right English word) geript and scum went bluehunting on VE, which would implicate a veteran, someone who might know VE's play to take a gander on him. You cannot eliminate that possibility.
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On November 19 2015 06:51 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2015 06:43 Breshke wrote:On November 19 2015 06:24 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Everyone except Ritoky, Eversince and FecalFeast have entered the thread at this point.
You claim your shot as soon as you can as vig so that mafia can't create confusion later on with claiming the shot.
We can eliminate Ritoky from the list of consideration because he hard town read VE throughout the day even if he dropped a bit due to inactivity.
Eversince hasn't been here and didn't respond during the night which makes her highly unlikely to be the vigilante
FecalFeast is the best candidate left currently. Sorry not sure how I missed this. I don't think the vigi has to claim straight away but its not worth discussing and i can see why you would think that. I do not like that post from Farah at all. This is day 2, not mylo. I might be somewhat new here, but from all the games I've obsed, I can think of a few decent reasons for the vig waiting to claim. I can't see any town motivation personally for trying to openly out the vig or any blue role for that matter. The Eversince comment is a bad one because you don't know for sure if she's reading and just choosing not to post for medical/whatever and may have just slipped a PM. Who knows. The ritoky comment is bad in the event someone tinfoiled (is that the right English word) geript and scum went bluehunting on VE, which would implicate a veteran, someone who might know VE's play to take a gander on him. You cannot eliminate that possibility.
also the "mafia can't create confusion later with the shot" isn't a good comment at all because we know there's a vig and if they try to fakeclaim, they will be counterclaimed. That play is a one-for-one or not a good strategy for mafia even if they make the vanilla scum do it.
back to work, see you at break time.
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On November 19 2015 06:53 FarahBlackwing wrote:
I'll head this off now probably not enough time to fight off a snowball.
Hard claiming blue.
.......or not.
someone help me with claim analysis please? if you hard claim you're supposed to claim a role?
anyways, why are you claiming so early in the cycle? there are 46 hours left in the damn cycle and you're pulling this shit already? or are you really going to afk for much of the next 46 hours?
this doesn't feel right.
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given timing, I think she's trying to draw out a blue folks. This is something I learnt in newbie 13/14 anyhow. Discuss.
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wait he hard townread both? interesting, I stand corrected on that then.
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in any case I don't like the blue claim. I smell a rat.
now, see you all in a couple hours.
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on mobile. this is beyond irritating.
On November 19 2015 07:38 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Read what I wrote and apply it. Information is king withholding information when you are a glorified vt now is anti-town especially the leathery out wait the more mafia can mess with town.
no. this is not entirely true. I learnt in nsm14 (the host in the qt mentioned this, unless people here want to say rsoultin is a bad player but somehow I don't think that's the case???) that wifom analysis is powerful. if you are scum and you find a blue, it gives it an easier way for scum to hide because killing blues generally means there's no excuse for certain people to live or not.
additionally the real vet isn't going to claim with 46 hours left in the cycle, piss off, come back and keep saying never lynch an uncounterclaimed blue. you aren't finding scum and your methods don't push town agenda forward in any form.
additionally in a best case scenario town can find the roleblocker first and an unclaimed veteran represents currently a 14% chance of stopping kp.
unless I've fucked up analysis - I find no town motivation for the way you've approached this. I find enough justification for lynching you.
answer me this farah - why did you claim with 46 hours left (an hour ago) in the cycle and why aren't you finding scum?
in your method you wanted to know fecalfeast was vig or not, he said he wasn't. so where does that get you? what is your purpose?
you aren't saying dick all on that.
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I'm going to try this again.
On November 19 2015 08:07 NocturneMage wrote:
answer me this farah - why did you claim with 46 hours left (an hour ago) in the cycle and why aren't you finding scum?
in your method you wanted to know fecalfeast was vig or not, he said he wasn't. so where does that get you? what is your purpose?
you aren't saying dick all on that.
farah, your schedule....I get it. I work nights too, and I'm married, although my wife is working abroad until Saturday, but even then I have a life outside work.
but what bothers me is that you aren't taking your own method and trying to scumhunt with the little time you do have. and there is a potential mafia motivation I've outlined in post 1089.
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damn you people need to stop ninjaing me. xD
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