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On November 17 2015 09:57 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 09:52 NocturneMage wrote:On November 17 2015 09:51 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh, to add to your post nocturne, he said meta on himself is invalid because he plays on other sites but he is willing to use meta on farah who's on her second game... Exactly, it's absolute shit that does dick all in figuring out anyone's alignment. I'm honestly this close to just lynching him at at least encouraging the use of investigative roles to sort out others. Meta is extremely powerful when it is used by someone with a strong grasp of it and a decent track record. For ex: my reads on alakaslam and damdred. But generally speaking it is wildly misused and over-inflated in importance.
Well I'm mainly referring to the people that are using it on people with less than 2 games of experience or by people here with only a few games experience. Moosy's discussion of it on Farah is particularly bad. The people like you and geript and scott talking about VE earlier is one thing and I was townreading at least you earlier on and I took my time to try and work out VE to my own understanding regardless of Trfel's case (although there's a few things I think he needs to come back and say, give feedback on FF and maybe a few others) but some of the things being described by people are attributes from which I've been advised can be broken. It just doesn't help me at all or maybe I'm just being a newb here. At least Moosy's use of it doesn't help me at all and I also agreed with what others said on Farah's post regarding Moosy.
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Anyways second look at Breshke indicates his would lynch is FF, Moosy and he's waiting for VE. Eh, nothing unusual, thought his response to my question 6 pages ago was satisfactory.
Getting to ritoky's post on disformation....
Only other person I need to take a hard look is Eversince.
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Besides Moosy, at the moment, there are others that I have questions on like VE (like FF can't be his only scumread), geript to a lesser extent (he's not lynchable but I want the whole Trfel thing to check out), disformation, the scott followup on Trfel.
And VE completely dodged Breshke's questions upon re-reading.
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ebwop - last post besides moosy being on my would lynch list, there are others...
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On November 17 2015 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
The people arguing man I don't know. I saw a bunch of posters arguing with each other so I made a broad stroke generalization that most of them are town. I'm not currently sitting at the computer so I'm not gonna go back and name names, the point was that like always I'm mostly interested in lynching in the low volume posters today.
This could be lazy town though. God I don't know.
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On November 17 2015 09:28 ritoky wrote:this is basically going to end up being a waste of space for a lot of people when you get to the end and realize it is a NULL READ. so i am spoilering it now DISFORM IS NULL TO ME FOR COMPLICATED RAISINS. now here's why: Here's his entrance, it feels natural and relaxed: Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:05 disformation wrote:On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Hello. I think the proper use of our time is
##vote shining
Statistically it has to be time Can you throw me the statistics you are refering to?  Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:07 disformation wrote:On November 16 2015 05:05 disformation wrote:On November 16 2015 05:04 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Hello. I think the proper use of our time is
##vote shining
Statistically it has to be time Can you throw me the statistics you are refering to? Actually: counterproposal: In both games I played with scott, he was lynched D1 and town won. That is like a 100% to win if we lynch scott today! ##vote scott31337 Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:09 disformation wrote:On November 16 2015 05:07 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Shining has rolled town 85% of the time maybe 90%. His streak must be over at some point I have rolled town 100% of the time. Maybe you should lynch me. :D Particularly the suggestion that we should lynch him feels town. It takes a certain level of testicular fortitude to suggest lynching yourself as mafia that early in the game and no offense to disform, but from my experience he isn't that ballsy and forthright. But then it starts to feel awkward.... he gets into the "am i the only one who was joking" and self deprecation area which is very different from his natural upbeat attitude from before. The he says this: Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:17 disformation wrote:On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote:On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote:On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote:On November 16 2015 05:58 FarahBlackwing wrote:
##unvote
Ok I have my read now.
Why shouldn't I dos something earlto try to obtain any type of formative reads or understanding when everyone was just saying hi. So what's your read and how did you reach it? Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in. Pretty sure he's town at least for now. Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining. From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him Alright, thanks. Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself. which i quoted for empty promise potential. this is a very practiced and common mafia tactic where they say "reading filters" or "catching up" then they deliver low volume small content posts or say they didn't find anything to feign doing more work to solve the game than they are actually doing. so i was expecting some in depth analysis of shining at some point. spoiler alert, i was disappointed that it never came to be. which tends toward mafia for me then he posts his reads and there's that FF read that sticks out to me. i don't see why it was mentioned and it felt forced into it. he includes so few reads in the post, so why does FF being null get included? I don't understand what the point of it was. it isn't a strong read, it doesn't seek to illicit a reaction, it is just this random null read with no content to it in a very small list of reads. i can't grasp why it is even there. tending toward mafia again. next he starts posting and trying to solve the game and i generally like the way he is pushing so i start to think he is town again, but then at the end of all of that pushing he arrives at this: Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF which is like the biggest pile of LHF in the thread. so i am super confused right now. BUT HERE IS WHERE I GET REALLLLLLLLLYYYYY CONFUSED. REMEMBER TRFEL IS MAFIA TO HIM, now watch these next posts: Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 03:06 disformation wrote:On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF Should add at least a bit of reasoning: All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions. (MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.) Other thoughts: Eversince will probably just get a pass from me for D1 because of the surgeries along with some points for trying to be here and do stuff. I didn't mind Farah, but want to see more in the near future. Still a bit waffly (btw: for ppl that don't know me: I am The Waffleboy) on The Shining, but he is a town lean for me atm. Also waffly about Breshke. Kinda liked scotts entry, so townlean unless he just vanishes for the rest of the day. I know scott is a low volume poster and I have a bit of a problem with that, since it often leads to me feeling like I don't see a proper read progression. NocturneMage, geript, ritoky and VE town. VE is town, trfel is mafia. Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 05:32 disformation wrote:On November 17 2015 04:28 Trfel wrote:
Disformation, why did you townread scott31337? Please explain. On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote:
I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game. I'm going ahead and respond to both of that. Since I remember scott as someone who does not post a lot, I don't think his late entry is alignment indicative. I kinda liked his entry because he was explained were he was at after catching up to the thread fairly well. Yeah, it was not that original. Maybe I am a bit biased because a lot of his views are very similar to mine... His sudden disappearance does worry me a bit though.. would like him to interact with a few ppl and/or to push his scum reads. While we are at that: ##vote MoosyDoosy@MoosyDoosy : Plx, explain your reads and answer my question. I also should maybe rethink my stance on VE since I pretty my like Trfel's case. I also do not feel like lynching Trfel atm. One of his only 3 mafia reads gives a scum read on one of his only 3 town reads and he then trusts his scum reads' case on his top town read and re-evaluates. I am so fucking confused by this I can't even explain it. It makes no sense, so I would appreciate it if someone would fucking explain this insanity to me. Ultimately he has shit that makes me think he is town, but he has shit that makes me think he is mafia, and then he has shit that I don't even understand. He might be in my lynch pile today cuz I think he is on the mafia side of null at the moment....but I feel like this is someone I am going to have difficulty reading all game long, so I really need to figure him out.
My thoughts on disformation:
(1) Initial tone read - no issues here
(2) Lack of followthrough being scummy on Shining - agreed there
(3) I can't understand the process through which he's townreading Shining unless I'm completely missing it. I don't disagree with Trfel's questioning of him on townreading him. The only thing about scott is that I know what he's capable from in Newbie 14, but at the same time I know his schedule greatly impacts his game.
(4) Regarding your point on the auto-flip by disformation on Trfel's case, I think disformation has maybe one more game than I do here? It could be newbie town getting blown away by such an elaborate and well formatted case or it could be trying to blend with thread sentiment. I had an additional reason personally to scumread VE, but the other thing that makes me think mafia for disformation is him referring to himself as Waffleboy, as in he's aware he's waffling, or what some of you have called self-meta.
I think he's a good cop check if we have one. At the very least more from him would be good.
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It's past 2am and I really need to stop now. List post so I know where to pick up later -
Town:
ritoky - right now, strongest town read
Probably town:
geript (assuming read/followup on Trfel makes sense)
Townlean:
Shining - seemed opinionated enough but need to revisit interaction with Eversince
Trfel - had no issues with the case or his follow up to VE, although my one reservation on him is how he goes form post 523 on VE to "probably not mafia" to later in his filter to 583 where he cites Scott and VE as standing out for him to lynch. So that is a gap in explanation that needs to be sorted.
Breshke - answers to my questions were satisfactory and is pressuring VE for answers. I also notice he is engaging his scumreads and trying to resolve them.
VisceraEyes:
VisceraEyes - I'm really trying not to be a dick here, but I really cannot understand this guy's play but if I can work him out I'll work with him. Answering Breshke's questions and providing more reads would help.
Null:
Eversince - just couldn't get around to her today.
disformation - there are legitimate town and mafia tells but I would use another day to work on him
Fecalfeast - he didn't explain the reads early game, but he openly admitted he was lazy. seems intent on lynching scott and putting pressure on Moosy to play the game which is towny though. My gut says town, but I could be wrong.
Scumlean
scott - list post was adequate for entrance and reminded me of his past town games or no different, but lack of additional input will move him down on my list. Lack of followup on Trfel is meh. Updates on other reads would help.
FarahBlackwing - This is another player I'm seeing both town and mafia attributes but more of the second here. Didn't like her opening and lack of explanation on her reaction test. I didn't agree with post 299 on the lack of emotion because I sensed emotion in his posts. I disagree with her meta (second game ever!) on Shining but I also agreed with her read formation on VE, which makes sense for a new player. She didn't actually provide a read on MoosyDoosy other than frustration. And her final post (594) I don't see how she's townreading Eversince and then calling the exchange odd and saying "some things don't feel forced".
Likely mafia:
MoosyDoosy - didn't like his entrance, didn't like his martyring (self-meta), didn't like his use of meta, even after explanation, and the push on Farah was just hilariously wrong.
##unvote
Folks, if there's shit I missed reading or whatever or if I read something wrong, let me know. I'm coming in on an off day and I plan to lie in a bit tomorrow, but there's a few people I still need to read and follow up on. should be around for the end of the cycle.
Good night everyone.
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On November 17 2015 09:07 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 09:02 NocturneMage wrote:On November 17 2015 08:48 ritoky wrote:On November 17 2015 08:43 NocturneMage wrote:
Bloody hell will you people please stop using meta? Especially the people or on the people who haven't played more than a couple of games.
And I realise Damdred is her husband but how on earth is that Mafia indicative for her?
The second point of yours is something I questioned but the rest of your points are making my head spin. Wait what? I wonder if my soul read can be a family thing. Dat shit would be OP, have to try it. Farah said last game her husband was Damdred. Once youre finished with her then try to read me, my wife's played on TL the last year lol so you probably know how to read her too xD Anyhow, I'm seriously catching up now, I know I missed a few posts from Breshke. Hm, I could use my Half the Sky read methods on you and probably drive you insane ^^ Don't tempt me, meta hater 
FFS I just saw this....do not make me policy lynch you. 
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Afternoon everyone. Catching up and reviewing Shining. I'm on board with a Moosy lynch and could discuss Farah/Scott a bit further per list post.
Also heads up, I'm going out to dinner/drinks with a few friends around 6pm so will be on mobile at best with an 8pm deadline. So I'll do my best to get everything out there before that.
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On Shining's absence, I know from obsing previous games he doesn't play on off days and if I read somewhere in thread right it was Monday/Tuesday. To me that's NAI but will review the interactions which apparently ritoky has found suspicious.
Tone reads I had the opposite conclusion, but I've been advised in the past they are weak and subjective so...
So disformation, hate to break it to you, your vote will not achieve its intended purpose.
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On November 17 2015 14:42 scott31337 wrote:I apologize for my last post - I got enough energy to notepad. I'm town. Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 09:19 Trfel wrote:On November 17 2015 09:17 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Because he did something similar to this last game we played as town, and from what I understand have been informed on he tries a bit harder as scum doesn't roll over. The problem is that he knows this, and he knows that people will say this...... Ugh, this is so frustrating. Weak. Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote:On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote:
Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?
If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine. It's mostly less active people. Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry. FF still being lazy so would lynch. Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. I also am waiting for VE to be around again. This is the Breshke I know I thought from his first post - He's thinking about the game and townie thoughts. Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 09:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
Honestly Farah's filter is pretty nice to look at. I mean, the lynch list is kinda butt because I am leaning town on bresh and am fairly certain that I'm town but being wrong is allowed.
Is there a case on farah or anything that I'm blatantly missing? arr.. And my virtual townleans have not said anything (Geript, etc.) So I think I'm fooled at least by one. I'm going to sleep - at Page 30 of Ritoky's wall of text. I've had a lot to drink and calling it a night. I'll continue from there. Trfel's been trying but like I said - could be his scummy cases he's done it before Fuck Moosy and his lazy ass town game We will not have it. Geript fell the fuck off once he got townleaned NM has been playing his towngame I'll be up in about 12 hours and bitch that I'm not online and posting. Well suck it I was busy helping out my cousin that I just found out had MS.
I'm sorry to hear about your cousin.
When you are able, can you draw a few similarities between Trfel case on VE and his scum cases in Newbie 11? From what I read when I first questioned geript, he is obviously capable as town.
When I read the case here he presented two alternatives.
My only issue was him dropping or stating he was probably not reading properly and then a bit later looking at him to lynch him which I mentioned the posts in my list post. What do make of that? Probably easiest to see in his filter.
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Disformation, read my list post. There were a few things that seemed off. The opening salve stuck out and I don't remember that being resolved for one thing and her read on Shining improper use of meta aside, also I want to hear ritokys opinion on her reservation on him.
At first her explanation made sense but my issue with her reservation on ritoky is that she said it was Mafia because other people who make town cases tended to be Mafia.
Now here's my only thing. Did she really look at ritokys intention with his case on VE? To me it seemed weird but I have beaten a dead horse with VE. But when reading for context I knew what he was trying to do with the information he had on VE. Would he do something like that as Mafia? Especially with other experienced players seeming having the ability to check on that? I highly doubt it. So one could argue that read is contrived assuming she is reading the thread properly.
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Will vote Moosy for now. Re-reading Shining.
##vote MoosyDoosy
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On November 17 2015 19:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Did Moosy ever come in here and explain what got his panties in a twist earlier? Like, I know a couple people mentioned wanting to lynch him, but full martyr mode barely a day into D1? What was that about?
Those who have played with him seem to think it's either town indicative or NAA, but I think maybe getting to the core of his issue might help some to determine his alignment for their own benefit, myself included.
People who came in here from newbie 14 (at least 4 of us) know that he faked anger on Rayn not getting saved by the doctor. He was mafia that game and bussed his entire team and fought with them in the mafia qt. I think geript was Mafia coach that game so I believe he can elaborate if he wishes.
Breshke drew comparisons between that and this game. From newbie 12-14, Moosy always seems to have a thing for changing or breaking his meta so we can never really trust his emotions or what he's trying to do with them. And in general he's a player who will pull really stupid shit as either alignment if it makes him unreadable.
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Reading Shining now: first post, the only thing he could be guilty of is taking Farah too seriously. The only thing - and I might be stretching this - is it could be reaching for a scumread. But I think I might be stretching it.
264-275 are posts that line up with expectations, saying that bad meta on one game is bad meta.
Seeing nothing scummy up to post 297. He had reasoning for questioning Eversince's intentions initially, nothing wrong there. Page 2...
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Page 2 on Shining is quite difficult to read. Having read a couple of Trfel games those long joke posts are NAI. So he's scumreading Trfel for not making jokes? What if he wasn't around?
314 and 325 are the two posts I'm struggling to figure out. It sounds like he's trying to figure it out but he's getting hung up on the word metaread and I honestly can't tell if it's bad or Mafia play.
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Like he's talking about a metaread and unless I'm misreading she's not giving a full metaread.
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Yeah, that's why I asked Scott the question again, to get something out from his perspective regarding the "Trfel could be mafia" argument. My other thing is he also needs to look at Trfel from a perspective beyond meta (there's that bloody word again) and hopefully he'll do that when he returns. Or at least before I have to afk in a few hours, but given the timing of that post...
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Wait, Trfel you are here. You're not on my lynch list but can you explain unless I missed it somewhere, you dropped the scumread on VE or concluded at some point in your filter that VE might not be mafia and then you looked to him and Scott again. So what changed?
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to clarify
On November 17 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote:
I don't like VisceraEyes, but I don't really feel comfortable with lynching him right now... It's obvious that VisceraEyes hasn't read the thread super carefully, but I don't think that that makes him mafia.
VisceraEyes, when you could get to a computer, if you could post the thoughts you had on the other players, that would be very helpful.
Time to study for that exam.
On November 17 2015 09:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 09:22 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Sure he could, but shoot him/cop check him instead of using a lynch on him if you are so inclined. Ugh, I hate this so much, but I guess you're probably right... ##unvoteScott31337 or VisceraEyes stand out the most to me right now. Waiting for Fecalfeast to post his filter analysis, though.
am I misreading or misunderstanding?
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