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Disclaimer: I haven't read deeply into the thread. I skimmed up to this point. This is going to be gut heavy.
First up, going to bring up the one serious interaction I'm in:
On October 18 2015 06:41 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 06:14 boxerfred wrote:On October 18 2015 05:45 The Shining wrote:On October 18 2015 05:44 boxerfred wrote:
hey guys I'm here. Hi! Are you happy to be here? Actually no since I rolled VT just like I did in all of my last games ffs and I have moosy and gb spam up the thread although I said pregame that I'm on a limited schedule. actually no, I#m not happy. I can see where you're coming from with Moosy but why do you think GB is spamming? If anything, I'm more guilty of it than he is. And what is so bad about rolling VT? To some people, its the best role in the game. I mean, would you rather have rolled scum? I'm not really sure where the disappointment is coming from.
Yes I'd have rather rolled scum or at least blue. It's (spare last newbie game where I co-hosted) the 3rd or 4th consecutive VT game for me. I don't love the guessing in this game, I love the lying. Obviously I prefer playing scum. Also I think I'm better at scum. Last game I was scum in was actually the game that got a 3 game ban to sicklucker because I was tryhard not conceding as the last scum. Good times. Let's get constructive now:
Thus far there's nothing too good to be had. Kelsier is way too active to have rolled scum again given how he reacted last Student Mafia to being scum. MoosyDoosy can be town or scum. I can't read him at all. Gut says "lynch before he misleads town", brain says lynching the (most likely to be) most active player in the game is bullshit.
I recommend to not let Shining slip off the radar. He asks lots of specific questions to specific players, thus far me, scott, kelsier, while the rest seems to be banter such as this:
On October 18 2015 11:39 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 11:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Anyone wants to play SC2 with a complete newbie?
I mean, I know the basic commands, but I suck I stopped playing when my gaming laptop blew up and I had to downgrade to a Macbook. Now League is all I play 
I think that can very well be scum pretending to be constructive.
Also I see that while MoosyDoosy pushed me, GB insta-defended me. Given they joked around about being scum before (as a resemblence to their last game were they were indeed scum together if I understood correctly) it's a behaviour that might be tying them together. Since afaik BH randomizes roles, how high are the chances that exactly the same constellation is happening again? I don't think so. I can see one of them being scum but not both. I don't know what that is worth but I feel like we should keep that in mind. Chances are they are both town but I don't think so. MD pushed me hard, knowing I'm not the most active player. Can be scum pushing a mislynch (he did so already in the one game we played together). MD is my top scum read atm.
Farah feels town to me.
On October 19 2015 03:29 FarahBlackwing wrote:
However I'll end this here and move on.
I think kelsier is,most likely town. If he was scum a good plan would be to let moos and myself spam up the thread when we can't see eye to eye. But he interjects to try to get us back on a different path. I see good town motivation and his dogged questioning and prodding seems to come from town.
This feels genuine. Running out of time (also my finger hurts as fuck) so I'll be gone for another hour or two.
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lol if im mafia im nking boxerfred
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Ksc is town ir I'll eat my hat. Farah seems towny to me but newbs posting at all get on my good side. Not liking sicklucker tbh, he's going to say i always scum him but i feel it for real this time.
Gb is not making me praise him but I'd call him null atm. There was another newbie who posted a shitty list that keeps getting quoted i didn't like that list.
I'm in bed on my phone and don't feel like filtering at all
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So...he says I can be town or scum and says he can't read me and that he shouldn't lynch the potentially most active player.
Then...
He goes all the way to somehow getting around to the fact that I have a possibility of being scum due to BH RNG and that me pushing him makes me scum.
Besides the ridiculous fact that you're using BH RNG as a reason to push me and how you're focusing on the people talking about you, you also contradict yourself by saying that me and GB are tying ourselves together and then say that we can't be in the same team.
ok.
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Honestly, outside of Rels admittedly good points RE: Scott, I don't really like his catch up posts. He starts off picking on my entrance(just like GB did) and then goes on to say GB might be Mafia. If so, why did he have the same train of thought as him? Then he asks SL for his thoughts on GB, meaning he wants to try and flesh out his scumread of GB. Then he picks on another of my posts which is whatever because I know I always play weird D1s but considering I was looking for Vonthins reaction to that post, I don't like him painting a narrative of me being in a scum mentality. Especially since we rolled scum together recently and he should know that isn't my style.
Then he follows up with GB is probably town for his tryhard post. After saying he might be Mafia, and trying to flesh it out with SL, he says he is town off of one post and leaves it alone. Even goes so far as to make a lynch list including myself on it and throws GB on the town list, then asks GB what he thinks of SL? Why is he trying to throw these two against each other instead of asking anyone else? And he completely abandoned his scumread on GB to accept him as town with no interaction, just a post he saw.
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I caught up at last!
I don't much like Shining at all. especially this
On October 18 2015 11:35 The Shining wrote:
And yay GB is trying to get the game started. Let's see...
I agree with the Farah read. I agree that that question would've been better off in the scumQT if she rolled scum and it is a WIFOM argument but the timing of it seemed genuinely curious and not holding back in her questioning of Moosy and GBs jokes is another town point. As far as the tunneling goes, keeping in mind she's a newer player, I could understand the hesitance to look more broadly because she's being asked to do so by GB, who she suspected could be scum. I wouldn't want to cooperate with someone I think is scum, either.
Sigh. My openings are always horrendous, especially in town games. Thanks for noticing. The joke phase isn't something I've ever really been apart of and not something I'm a huge fan of, but seeing as how it was the only thing going on, I didn't want to just sit around and not post. I find it a little odd, though, that you pick on my horrendous opening but then find my Scott post very okay. I guess it makes sense if you still have me at null, though.
Moosy is pretty null to me right now. His banter is NAI to me and the picking a meta talk seemed like it was just more of him trying to keep the joke phase up but the longer he does things like that without actually scum hunting, the more I'll suspect him. I didn't like the threatening to not care, either, but knowing he has double bussed to win a game before(meaning he cared enough to do so) makes it NAI, as well.
Not sure about Kels, either. You might be right but before I go into it, I'd like to know if he was actually serious about that post. Kelsier can you answer this for me?
I'd like Vonthin to answer what I asked, too, before I go too in-depth on him but from what I've seen so far, he could just be frustrated town not knowing how to deal with a slow day start.
Overall I'd give GB a slight townlean just for making this post and trying to push discussion, as I agree with a few things in the post. GB what do you think of boxerfreds entrance? Why wasn't he included in your list?
This is a big post that says nothing at all really.
Farah read is the most generic thing I've seen in a while.
Second paragraph is all filler.
The most telling point in it is the Moosy read. He's capable of caring so much that he'll buss his entire team to win. The fact that he's not caring this game doesn't bother me though. Yeh, how does that statement make any sense at all unless you already know what alignment Moosy is?
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Also there is so much wrong with what Fecal just did. Just nooo.
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Oh goodies, while your here Shining, why the 180 on GB?
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On October 19 2015 04:21 boxerfred wrote:Disclaimer: I haven't read deeply into the thread. I skimmed up to this point. This is going to be gut heavy. First up, going to bring up the one serious interaction I'm in: Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 06:41 The Shining wrote:On October 18 2015 06:14 boxerfred wrote:On October 18 2015 05:45 The Shining wrote:On October 18 2015 05:44 boxerfred wrote:
hey guys I'm here. Hi! Are you happy to be here? Actually no since I rolled VT just like I did in all of my last games ffs and I have moosy and gb spam up the thread although I said pregame that I'm on a limited schedule. actually no, I#m not happy. I can see where you're coming from with Moosy but why do you think GB is spamming? If anything, I'm more guilty of it than he is. And what is so bad about rolling VT? To some people, its the best role in the game. I mean, would you rather have rolled scum? I'm not really sure where the disappointment is coming from. Yes I'd have rather rolled scum or at least blue. It's (spare last newbie game where I co-hosted) the 3rd or 4th consecutive VT game for me. I don't love the guessing in this game, I love the lying. Obviously I prefer playing scum. Also I think I'm better at scum. Last game I was scum in was actually the game that got a 3 game ban to sicklucker because I was tryhard not conceding as the last scum. Good times. Let's get constructive now: Thus far there's nothing too good to be had. Kelsier is way too active to have rolled scum again given how he reacted last Student Mafia to being scum. MoosyDoosy can be town or scum. I can't read him at all. Gut says "lynch before he misleads town", brain says lynching the (most likely to be) most active player in the game is bullshit. I recommend to not let Shining slip off the radar. He asks lots of specific questions to specific players, thus far me, scott, kelsier, while the rest seems to be banter such as this: Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 11:39 The Shining wrote:On October 18 2015 11:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Anyone wants to play SC2 with a complete newbie?
I mean, I know the basic commands, but I suck I stopped playing when my gaming laptop blew up and I had to downgrade to a Macbook. Now League is all I play I think that can very well be scum pretending to be constructive. Also I see that while MoosyDoosy pushed me, GB insta-defended me. Given they joked around about being scum before (as a resemblence to their last game were they were indeed scum together if I understood correctly) it's a behaviour that might be tying them together. Since afaik BH randomizes roles, how high are the chances that exactly the same constellation is happening again? I don't think so. I can see one of them being scum but not both. I don't know what that is worth but I feel like we should keep that in mind. Chances are they are both town but I don't think so. MD pushed me hard, knowing I'm not the most active player. Can be scum pushing a mislynch (he did so already in the one game we played together). MD is my top scum read atm. Farah feels town to me. Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 03:29 FarahBlackwing wrote:
However I'll end this here and move on.
I think kelsier is,most likely town. If he was scum a good plan would be to let moos and myself spam up the thread when we can't see eye to eye. But he interjects to try to get us back on a different path. I see good town motivation and his dogged questioning and prodding seems to come from town. This feels genuine. Running out of time (also my finger hurts as fuck) so I'll be gone for another hour or two.
Ew. You know, when you admit to just skimming the thread, my eyes kind of glaze over when reading a WoT like this. Like if you're just skimming, how am I supposed to look at this as anything other than just fluffing up the thread and your filter?
I'm not sure I believe boxer is genuine here in his anger at supposedly rolling VT. The bit about getting SL banned is a pointless bit of information and NAI. And there isn't really a way to verify whether boxer actually enjoys rolling scum more. I do agree with his read on Kelsier because he pretty much just rolled over and died/conceded N1 as scum last game but his Moosy read is just weird. Too much conflicting talk. He could be scum or town. Some fluff about gut vs brain. And then he's back to me. So he's jumping around oddly in that post. Of course if I'm the only one in thread with GB, and I used to play SC2, I'm not just gonna be a douche and ignore him. I also said at the beginning of the game that I'm trying out a more lax approach because normally I just yell at everyone. So me bantering should be NAI. It's also pretty damn weird that he'd say I'm asking very specific questions to people but pretending to be constructive.
And then back to Moosy. So he went Shining, Moosy, Shining, Moosy all in one post. The two people who have either questioned him or scummed him. And how can their behavior be tying them together if, like Moosy pointed out, you also said one can be scum but not the other? Then chances are they at both town but you don't think so? So you're saying they're tied together, then only one scum, then possibly both town but you don't think so? If you don't think so, and Moosy is your top scumread, why even mention that it's possible that they could be both town?
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On October 19 2015 04:55 Eversince wrote:
Also there is so much wrong with what Fecal just did. Just nooo.
Why not explain a bit more?
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On October 19 2015 04:54 Eversince wrote:I caught up at last! I don't much like Shining at all. especially this Show nested quote +On October 18 2015 11:35 The Shining wrote:
And yay GB is trying to get the game started. Let's see...
I agree with the Farah read. I agree that that question would've been better off in the scumQT if she rolled scum and it is a WIFOM argument but the timing of it seemed genuinely curious and not holding back in her questioning of Moosy and GBs jokes is another town point. As far as the tunneling goes, keeping in mind she's a newer player, I could understand the hesitance to look more broadly because she's being asked to do so by GB, who she suspected could be scum. I wouldn't want to cooperate with someone I think is scum, either.
Sigh. My openings are always horrendous, especially in town games. Thanks for noticing. The joke phase isn't something I've ever really been apart of and not something I'm a huge fan of, but seeing as how it was the only thing going on, I didn't want to just sit around and not post. I find it a little odd, though, that you pick on my horrendous opening but then find my Scott post very okay. I guess it makes sense if you still have me at null, though.
Moosy is pretty null to me right now. His banter is NAI to me and the picking a meta talk seemed like it was just more of him trying to keep the joke phase up but the longer he does things like that without actually scum hunting, the more I'll suspect him. I didn't like the threatening to not care, either, but knowing he has double bussed to win a game before(meaning he cared enough to do so) makes it NAI, as well.
Not sure about Kels, either. You might be right but before I go into it, I'd like to know if he was actually serious about that post. Kelsier can you answer this for me?
I'd like Vonthin to answer what I asked, too, before I go too in-depth on him but from what I've seen so far, he could just be frustrated town not knowing how to deal with a slow day start.
Overall I'd give GB a slight townlean just for making this post and trying to push discussion, as I agree with a few things in the post. GB what do you think of boxerfreds entrance? Why wasn't he included in your list? This is a big post that says nothing at all really. Farah read is the most generic thing I've seen in a while. Second paragraph is all filler. The most telling point in it is the Moosy read. He's capable of caring so much that he'll buss his entire team to win. The fact that he's not caring this game doesn't bother me though. Yeh, how does that statement make any sense at all unless you already know what alignment Moosy is?
Congratulations. You didn't like me last game either and after dealing with your nonsense for a ton of pages, people realized I was town.
It's a big post that GB basically requested when he asked everyone to give thoughts on his own big post. Note that I'm not the only one that brought up the WIFOM argument and read on Farrah, but you completely failed to mention ANYONE ELSE except me after completely having caught up. Do you just have it out for me or something? Jesus.
The second paragraph is a direct response to GBs thoughts on me. Call it filler to further your anti-Shining narrative that you've pulled through 2 games if you'd like, idc.
It's not bothering me because him not caring is not really alignment indicative. And if it is, its more indicative of town since, like I said, hes known to try and try hard as scum. So what exactly are you asking here?
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On October 19 2015 04:56 Eversince wrote:
Oh goodies, while your here Shining, why the 180 on GB?
Oh this ought to b fun. Please do explain my 180 on GB since I have no idea what you're talking about.
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On October 19 2015 05:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 04:55 Eversince wrote:
Also there is so much wrong with what Fecal just did. Just nooo. Why not explain a bit more?
Sure! He's done squat all this game. Then randomly pops in to say if the current lynch isn't town he'll eat a hat. So confident in his read but doesn't care to explain why or how he came into that read. I think that's the first read he even has this game.
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On October 19 2015 05:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 04:55 Eversince wrote:
Also there is so much wrong with what Fecal just did. Just nooo. Why not explain a bit more?
I too am interested
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On October 19 2015 05:19 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 05:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:On October 19 2015 04:55 Eversince wrote:
Also there is so much wrong with what Fecal just did. Just nooo. Why not explain a bit more? Sure! He's done squat all this game. Then randomly pops in to say if the current lynch isn't town he'll eat a hat. So confident in his read but doesn't care to explain why or how he came into that read. I think that's the first read he even has this game.
Is KSC the lynch? He's actually trying to play this game
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On October 19 2015 05:17 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 04:56 Eversince wrote:
Oh goodies, while your here Shining, why the 180 on GB? Oh this ought to b fun. Please do explain my 180 on GB since I have no idea what you're talking about.
Prior to that list post you where calling people out for town reading GB implying you didn't have one. What lead you to that town read?
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On October 19 2015 05:20 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 05:19 Eversince wrote:On October 19 2015 05:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:On October 19 2015 04:55 Eversince wrote:
Also there is so much wrong with what Fecal just did. Just nooo. Why not explain a bit more? Sure! He's done squat all this game. Then randomly pops in to say if the current lynch isn't town he'll eat a hat. So confident in his read but doesn't care to explain why or how he came into that read. I think that's the first read he even has this game. Is KSC the lynch? He's actually trying to play this game
If postin' filler and picking fights to muck up the thread is playing the game... I guess
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On October 19 2015 05:22 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 05:20 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 19 2015 05:19 Eversince wrote:On October 19 2015 05:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:On October 19 2015 04:55 Eversince wrote:
Also there is so much wrong with what Fecal just did. Just nooo. Why not explain a bit more? Sure! He's done squat all this game. Then randomly pops in to say if the current lynch isn't town he'll eat a hat. So confident in his read but doesn't care to explain why or how he came into that read. I think that's the first read he even has this game. Is KSC the lynch? He's actually trying to play this game If postin' filler and picking fights to muck up the thread is playing the game... I guess
mhmm ok...
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Ok so playing traffic cop between farah and moose is which? (filler/mucking up the thread)
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On October 19 2015 05:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok so playing traffic cop between farah and moose is which? (filler/mucking up the thread)
Then getting into a fight with Moosy himself? Some traffic cop...
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