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On October 29 2015 00:27 Xatalos wrote:
From Onegu :D
Also dont worry people, I will still figure this game out in lylo, I am the best lylo player ever as you all should know by now.
And I am the last 4 games I have been in plus a few before that I have figured the game out in lylo. Even though I have been scum read I figured the game out. 2 times people listened to me and we won the game. 2 times they didnt even though in scum qt they said my logic was correct and the only thing they could do was keep saying over and over it doesnt work like that and people threw the game. VE one time and worse was the game LS threw when HF had a red check on him and we didnt lynch him. IIRC hopeless was scum that game and I figured him out also I may be wrong there I will check.
Hopeless is scum this I am sure.
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On October 29 2015 00:44 Xatalos wrote:
Dunno... It just feels like he throws scum/townreads around too casually. This Xatalos/hopeless thing now too... Ignoring rayn's scumreads on GB/ritoky.... And instead pushing us two.. Why?
The main reason is because I am scum reading you two more. GB needs looked at also, but I feel multiple people scum read GB maybe he shoots rayn, but only rayn and myself were scum reading you. Rayn had the clout that I dont to actually lynch you.
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On October 29 2015 00:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Yeah, I'm voting Onegu.
You've just reminded me of him saying he wouldn't vote Rayn on day1 then proceeds to vote Rayn. Lol
Yeah I have already proved this isnt a scum tell for me. Really weird you pull this out now. And that this is your reason for voting me.
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On October 29 2015 03:44 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:On October 29 2015 03:10 gumshoe wrote:
Bh, I considered what you said about scum bieng the ONLY ones to be pushing rayn
that would mean a combination of vivax gb xata and ritoky.
I consider xata and ritoky pretty hard town at this point, and vivax and gb arent likely to be scum together
so I think the possibility that scum were town reading rayn is much higher. What ya think? I am not saying scum were the only ones pushing rayn. I'm just saying your logc, which again, seems to be pretty strange, could be used to prove both "scum were all on rayn" and "no scum were on rayn". If you are using a heuristic or piece of logic and it can prove anything easily, it should be allowed to fail. The problem with this idea that "scum weren't able to lynch rayn, therefore scum are X, Y, and Z" fails because it explains too much. If an explanation can explain literally any outcome, it has no predictive value. I actually went back and found the quote that first explained this concept to me, so you too can learn: In Munich in the days of the great theoretical physicist Arnold Sommerfeld (1868–1954), trolley cars were cooled in summer by two small fans set into their ceilings. When the trolley was in motion, air flowing over its top would spin the fans, pulling warm air out of the cars. One student noticed that although the motion of any given fan was fairly random—fans could turn either clockwise or counterclockwise—the two fans in a single car nearly always rotated in opposite directions. Why was this? Finally he brought the problem to Sommerfeld.
“That is easy to explain,” said Sommerfeld. “Air hits the fan at the front of the car first, giving it a random motion in one direction. But once the trolley begins to move, a vortex created by the first fan travels down the top of the car and sets the second fan moving in precisely the same direction.”
“But, Professor Sommerfeld,” the student protested, “what happens is in fact the opposite! The two fans nearly always rotate in different directions.”
“Ahhhh!” said Sommerfeld. “But of course that is even easier to explain.” --Devine and Cohen, Absolute Zero Gravity, p. 96. Thats very true, but we have a certain context to clash against my argument, which gives it some utility. heres the frame my argument provides. Scum want to win, scum need to mislynch townies, rayn on paper is the most mislynchable townie, but they shot him, so clearly there was some reason that scum were not confident in mislynching him. There are two possibilities. 1: The majority of Scum are pushing rayn and the rest of town are opposed, which would mean a combination of xatalos, ritoky, gb and vivax, 2 of which, vivax and gb, cant be scum together, and the other 2 arent likely scum based of thier play. so not real hit there. 2: The majority of scum are town reading rayn for varius reasons, and cannot switch to him without contradicting themselves. townies fairly vehemently oposed to rayn bieng scum (hopeless, gumshoe, onegu, bh chromatically) three of these players, me you and chrom, appear townie from thier play, but hopeless and onegu do fit the mold of a majority scum team that cannot mislynch rayn because they are townreading him. Basically when you cross refrence scummy play with the argument that most of sum are townreading rayn and therefore cannot mislynch him, and the argument that most of scum are scum reading him therefore they cannot lynch him, this is the only real hit you get.Does that make sense? Imagine the two possibilities of the fan argument, but consider as well that there are markings on the wall that suggest one rotation as opposed to the other. That's how one would figure the truth in such a matter.
Your arguement doesnt make much sense because reads can flip. If only scum were town reading him what is to stop their reads from flipping to oh yeah I can see that on a case and voting rayn. Or saying rayn is cancer this game I am going to vote him.
Rayns reads were correct and that is why he was killed. A serious rayn is capable of putting a legit case on scum even if he is being scum read getting that person lynched.
I wasnt surprised rayn was killed. I town read him hard. I agreed with most of his reads.
In a world where I am scum this game I dont kill Rayn, I am not going to kill the only person that is town reading me this game. It would be suicide for me. Killing rayn takes pressure off of the people he was scum reading and lets them put pressure on me. They want this mislynch on me it gets them to lylo.
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That vote from hopeless on Xata is so fucking random, If he is going to be around why use a placeholder and why Xata. Then he drops a vote on GB... Why does this give me the heebie jeebies that this is two town wagons...
Can we please vote hopeless?
##Vote: Hopeless
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I am laying down. Will try to be around for deadline.
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Alright I am here.
So tell me why I am scum this game?
My day 1 vote? Nope I already proved I do this as town so at best it is NAI.
My day 2 vote? Nope I tried to get you guys to lynch sucm in Hopeless. Had 3 people ready to move but it wasnt enough. Who cares if I was off wagon.
Todays vote? You say I am wasting it. Well I am sick and wanted you to lynch scum in hopeless. Now I am here.
What else you got? Nothing because I am not scum I am town and you are putting yourselves in lylo.
Gumshoe no fucking way do I kill Rayn. I am going to be a lynch target no matter if rayn is in the game or not. Rayn town read me and wouldnt vote for me. You calling wifom because I could do it to make people town read me? Nope doesnt work that way I am not killing the only hope I have to not be lynched.
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Ritoky why are you voting your town read over your scum read.
You know 100% scum onegu doesnt kill town rayn. It doesnt happen.
Xata its really LOL what you wrote about lylo. I just told you I figure shit out and win with logic in lylo.
I was mislynched once in lylo and that was because LS fucked up and voted a null read of his over a scum read which broke a tie lynching me over a red checked HF and he said that was a mistake.
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On October 30 2015 06:50 Chromatically wrote:
it's pretty funny how people start playing right before they're about to be lynched
Im sick. I am town. I came back 10 min before lynch.
Anyway lynch Xata and hopeless after me.
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You guys cant even tell me why I am scum..
BH why am I scum?
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On October 30 2015 06:54 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:53 Onegu wrote:On October 30 2015 06:50 Chromatically wrote:
it's pretty funny how people start playing right before they're about to be lynched Im sick. I am town. I came back 10 min before lynch. Anyway lynch Xata and hopeless after me. ......And that's supposed to convince me? just lol
You are scum not going to convince scum...
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Ritoky really think about this.
I never kill rayn in 100000000 years as scum here. Its not wifom, its common sense.
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On October 30 2015 06:56 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:55 Onegu wrote:
Ritoky really think about this.
I never kill rayn in 100000000 years as scum here. Its not wifom, its common sense. That post is the definition of WIFOM...
No its just true there is no logical reason for me to kill rayn.
Also guess I will vote GB just for tie breaks.
##Unvote
##Vote: Glowingbear
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On October 30 2015 06:58 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2015 06:57 Onegu wrote:On October 30 2015 06:56 Xatalos wrote:On October 30 2015 06:55 Onegu wrote:
Ritoky really think about this.
I never kill rayn in 100000000 years as scum here. Its not wifom, its common sense. That post is the definition of WIFOM... No its just true there is no logical reason for me to kill rayn. Also guess I will vote GB just for tie breaks. ##Unvote
##Vote: Glowingbear there's an odd number of players, your vote does nothing anyways haha
Does if the vote is 4-4 and I am on hopeless and GB got his votes first.
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Ritoky I am town go on GB now.
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EPT
