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I mean cmon Rayn, I wanna just yell you out of this thread atm, you have concocted a magical world in which you cannot be wrong.
a) Xata is scum, I was right all along.
b) Xata is a huge troll and a terrible player, and he deserved to be lynched.
The absolute arrogance displayed in this line of reasoning is truly revolting.
Heres a harsh truth for you Rayn, regardless of how shitty a player is, when you mislynch them, it's every bit as much your fault as it is theirs (Scum Rayn actually gets that better than you do XD). Given THIS paticular situation, it's entirely your fault because Slam and xata are not playing badly by any stretch, there just off here and there.
Honestly, take it from a guy whose been mislynched more times than hes won games, just because someone finds you scummy, and your town, doesnt mean they are scum 0_0
The they should know better line of reasoning is by no means absolute and should not be enough to fuel the unbridled indignation you have been flaunting since the end of day 1.
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On October 27 2015 01:20 Vivax wrote:
I might not be around at deadline since I'm ill and being ill isn't allowed tomorrow.
I would really like to set everything straight with those I think are town long before any shenannies can cause a ruckus way too early before deadline.
In the last couple of hours my read on rayn has worsened and the read on GB has improved somewhat. I typed up a question asking him if he still thinks I'm mafia but I figure he still does for some reason.
What's good for him is that he's on a good wagon with two who I think are very likely town and myself.
Rayn is being a complete dick and I know he likes to do that as mafia.
Chrom freaks me out with his persistence on GB over yamato.
That said, I wouldn't mind lynching rayn any more, I would even lynch him before GB to make the thread more enjoyable, and cause he doesn't shine town to me as he does to Chrom for some reason.
So I'm calling early shenannies on rayn:
##Unvote
##Vote raynpelikoneet
Grats Rayn, thanks for this.
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On October 27 2015 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 01:25 gumshoe wrote:I mean cmon Rayn, I wanna just yell you out of this thread atm, you have concocted a magical world in which you cannot be wrong. a) Xata is scum, I was right all along. b) Xata is a huge troll and a terrible player, and he deserved to be lynched. The absolute arrogance displayed in this line of reasoning is truly revolting. Heres a harsh truth for you Rayn, regardless of how shitty a player is, when you mislynch them, it's every bit as much your fault as it is theirs (Scum Rayn actually gets that better than you do XD). Given THIS paticular situation, it's entirely your fault because Slam and xata are not playing badly by any stretch, there just off here and there. Honestly, take it from a guy whose been mislynched more times than hes won games, just because someone finds you scummy, and your town, doesnt mean they are scum 0_0The they should know better line of reasoning is by no means absolute and should not be enough to fuel the unbridled indignation you have been flaunting since the end of day 1. I don't care what you think of me, i am asking to read my cases on D2.
No, summarize them for me in clear concise points. Your filter is a huge pain to go through because you turned it into a trolly dumpster.
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On October 27 2015 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 01:25 Vivax wrote:
Rayn you know I wouldn't do this if I really didn't think it was necessary, cause here you're either mafia or out of your head.
Otherwise I'd have gone with the plan to let NKs sort you out, but like this it's never gonna happen and you are just impeding progress. hey, i know you will do this 100% of the time. and i don't care. i am trying to tell who is mafia, just because i am not being nice to people i don't wanna be nice to doesn't mean i am not scumhunting. Fair enough, lynch me, i won't even resist, since noone will ever have a case on me. But read my posts, if not before my death, after. ok?
Goals of mafia.
1: Find scum
2: GET TOWN TO LYNCH SCUM
Getting people to do shit is 90 percent of the game. You dont do that by acting like you have. If you want to just be a detective, go do some logic puzzles or play some visual novels,( I reccomend the phoenix wright games : D) if you wanna be a cock, you have the whole of the internet for that.
Here we have to work together to achieve our goals. Your behavior is total antithesis to that and is therefore objectively bad.
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On October 27 2015 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 01:28 gumshoe wrote:On October 27 2015 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 27 2015 01:25 gumshoe wrote:I mean cmon Rayn, I wanna just yell you out of this thread atm, you have concocted a magical world in which you cannot be wrong. a) Xata is scum, I was right all along. b) Xata is a huge troll and a terrible player, and he deserved to be lynched. The absolute arrogance displayed in this line of reasoning is truly revolting. Heres a harsh truth for you Rayn, regardless of how shitty a player is, when you mislynch them, it's every bit as much your fault as it is theirs (Scum Rayn actually gets that better than you do XD). Given THIS paticular situation, it's entirely your fault because Slam and xata are not playing badly by any stretch, there just off here and there. Honestly, take it from a guy whose been mislynched more times than hes won games, just because someone finds you scummy, and your town, doesnt mean they are scum 0_0The they should know better line of reasoning is by no means absolute and should not be enough to fuel the unbridled indignation you have been flaunting since the end of day 1. I don't care what you think of me, i am asking to read my cases on D2. No, summarize them for me in clear concise points. Your filter is a huge pain to go through because you turned it into a trolly dumpster. rofl. - points to Xatalos' filter -
Yeah not gonna fly, want me to take you seriously, act serious.
But I can dispel this bullshit with just this.
townie players have less knowledge then mafia and tend to have shittier reads as a result. They are also more comfortable posting in thread so they can make mistakes from time to time cause they're not 100 percent on guard. Ergo, large whaky filters do not always make for scum. They are null at best.
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On October 27 2015 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[b]seriously guys, i don't take called mafia easy.
i get fucking mad for it, when people call me mafia for no reason.
I never do.
So you have three chances:
1) you think i am mafia which is where you vote for me
2) you think i am town and an idiot who cant find mafia where you do not address me at all
3) you think i am town and you will at least have a reasonable conversation with me
I have not been trolling slamming since N1 start, if you believe i am bullshitting you go for (1). If you think i am an asshat go for (2) and i won't bother you, if you wanna address me i believe you are going to (3) and well... I will respond.
So... whatever you choose.
I think GB/ritoky/???? is mafia.
I want a case from you, put together something with effort, you ask alot of questions and expect people to know right away why the questions you ask are super relevant to finding scum. I'm not saying they aren't, you just need to let us in on your thought process so we can respond to you easily.
Go try hard for at least one post before you die. Use at least 4 quotes or something I dont care. Just compile all your evidence against someone together in one post and imagine that were idiots(shouldn't be hard for you)-ie make it clear as possible- for the duration of that post.
Yamato and Gb arent both scum and I'm set on yam, so you probably cant convince me, but you can at least get town off your back for playing like a but / :
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On October 27 2015 01:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
im basically never going to vote for Xata or Rayn (maybe rayn in lylo) they're my top town. Loving gumshoe's and BH's recent posting, like chromatically as well. Kind of null about GB, I'd vote him but more on a PoE basis. Honestly dont remember much of VivaxThink there is some good effort to keep things on track from Vivax, though it was pissed away to tell rayn to fuck off basically. Onegu still feels like he's "testing" me so I'm going to let him be for the time being but I really want to OMGUS him. Association to yamato looks shitty too, and yamato has been about as useful as I have this game, except I'm expected to be trash and he's not.
##Vote: Yamato77
also you guys voting rayn while thinking hes town....you're as bad as him for doing that.
Wow, you just made it to the top of my hugs list. It's not impossible that you were pulling a lurk shoe but not gonna lie your support may wind up being a detriment to my campaign T_T I never really found anything too scummy in your posting like I did Yam, but yeah it's good to have you here reading the thread.
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On October 27 2015 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:On October 27 2015 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 27 2015 01:28 GlowingBear wrote:On October 27 2015 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 27 2015 01:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 27 2015 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 27 2015 01:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting Rayn ofc you are. You're trying to prove a point. The point is that the slam playstyle is annoying and useless. But the point you proved is that slam is fun to play with and you're not, regardless if you're trolling or actually playing. Because nowadays when you're actually playing you're beig bad and when you're trolling you can't get a laugh out of anything you post. You just proved to be a cry baby. Grow up. this post is offending me personally because i am 100x better player than ypu are but it's okay. Im offending your attitude. I've told you more than once that I liked playing with you before but you keep doing this "I am a better player than most of you" or this kind of rant which is annoying as hell. I've never said I was better than you. But that's all that matters to you. How you feel when you compare yourself to the others. And when I criticise your attitude you take it personally. Please change your attitude here, then. that's what you implied. I've implied you've been bad, not that I've been good. This is not a competition. Latest games I've been with you, you have been spot on on some people, and dead wrong on others. CopCake, rsoultin, etc. And you blame THEM, but if others were able to read them correctly, well, it's your fault you've got a wrong read, not theirs. Anyway, that's only if you're town here. If you're mafia you've successfully annoyed everyone, so it might be a good play. this is good. Okay why am i scum?
This is just dirty, Rayn knows hes town, therefore any reason Gb provides for Rayn being scum is proof to Rayn as to why Gb is actually scum.
It's kinda like my initital Yamato reasoning but cruder.
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On October 27 2015 01:48 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 27 2015 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On October 27 2015 01:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 27 2015 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 27 2015 01:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting Rayn ofc you are. You're trying to prove a point. The point is that the slam playstyle is annoying and useless. But the point you proved is that slam is fun to play with and you're not, regardless if you're trolling or actually playing. Because nowadays when you're actually playing you're beig bad and when you're trolling you can't get a laugh out of anything you post. You just proved to be a cry baby. Grow up. +1 and you are the worst. and i am mad at myself because i cant actually scumread you.  Well that's progress.... As someone said, it's practically impossible to be 100% correct with a huge filter like this. Since I'm town, I don't have perfect information. You might have that information as scum and laugh at some mistakes I've made (like the momentary lapse of including marv in a potential scumteam), but your other reads have been simple bullshit (read on me - false, read on Slam - false, reads on yamato/Onegu - most likely false). Dunno about GB, but you at least haven't convinced anyone on him with your own posts. So if you're scum, I guess I can understand saying these things, but if you're town, it's just unbelievable arrogance and overestimation of your own contributions.
What do you think of Hopeless supporting my Yam lynch? Could it be a bus? I'll be honest, out of the three prime lurkers this game (hopeless, yam, onegu) I think hopeless is most likely to be an actual townie lurker. But yeah I'll look at his super short filter again -_- maybe I missed something
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On October 27 2015 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 01:47 gumshoe wrote:On October 27 2015 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 27 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:On October 27 2015 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 27 2015 01:28 GlowingBear wrote:On October 27 2015 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 27 2015 01:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 27 2015 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 27 2015 01:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting Rayn ofc you are. You're trying to prove a point. The point is that the slam playstyle is annoying and useless. But the point you proved is that slam is fun to play with and you're not, regardless if you're trolling or actually playing. Because nowadays when you're actually playing you're beig bad and when you're trolling you can't get a laugh out of anything you post. You just proved to be a cry baby. Grow up. this post is offending me personally because i am 100x better player than ypu are but it's okay. Im offending your attitude. I've told you more than once that I liked playing with you before but you keep doing this "I am a better player than most of you" or this kind of rant which is annoying as hell. I've never said I was better than you. But that's all that matters to you. How you feel when you compare yourself to the others. And when I criticise your attitude you take it personally. Please change your attitude here, then. that's what you implied. I've implied you've been bad, not that I've been good. This is not a competition. Latest games I've been with you, you have been spot on on some people, and dead wrong on others. CopCake, rsoultin, etc. And you blame THEM, but if others were able to read them correctly, well, it's your fault you've got a wrong read, not theirs. Anyway, that's only if you're town here. If you're mafia you've successfully annoyed everyone, so it might be a good play. this is good. Okay why am i scum? This is just dirty, Rayn knows hes town, therefore any reason Gb provides for Rayn being scum is proof to Rayn as to why Gb is actually scum. It's kinda like my initital Yamato reasoning but cruder. no GB just gave rteasions why he should have AT LEAST CONSIDER ME town over Slam on D1. He didn't.
You were laying into Gb hard man, it's super easy to want to lynch someone whose attacking you. You of all people should understand that XD he also sorta town read/didntwannlynch slam from the start, so thats consistent. Are you still on about Slams play? It was fine, chill out, theres games where slam just talks about kush for days. This was a marked improvement -_-
Gb as your defacto lawyer this game, Rayn has declared his vote will stay on Xata, until that statement changes I don't recommend talking to him as he doesn't actually have any way to threaten you. That and he might just use everything you say as a way to condemn you / :
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On October 27 2015 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is what happened, regardless of if you want to address it or not;
- rayn calls GB town
- rayn calls GB scum, explains why he changes his view -- see yamato/Vivax, mostly Vivax)
- GB calls rayn town
- GB asks about his scumreads from rayn (or townreads -- but still rayn too)
- rayn says "you are not reading the thread"
- GB says "yes i have"
- rayn says "well then you would know my stance (also marv's/chrom's)"
- GB says okay so gimme reads on ppl
- rayn says "haha you're scum"
- GB says oh i just now figured out rayn is mafia i wanna vote for him
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D2:
GB argues that what i did on D1 (when he called me mafia) is inside my townplay...
^_^
why is he protecting you as scum at this point? You know your town Rayn, why isnt he pushing your wagon?
Like seriously townies, inconsistent reads are only scummy if they correlate with scummy objectives
bad play/inconsistent play
does not
equal
scum.
Compare this to Yams day 1 case of Slam which went like this
Slam is scummy(no reasons provided)
slam is not so scummy(no reasons provided)
Slam is scum now that a wagon has formed on him (provided Literally marvs reasons but respun)
gumshoe: Hey yam, why did you find slam scummy inititally?
Yam: fak you
Result- slamie townie is mislynched.
See how this inconsistent read correlates with a scum agenda? Thats scummy : D.
Compared to Gbs akward waffling and protection of Slam, as well his non scum sensible protection of you, a townie doing his very best to get lynched, theres really no comparison.
That and only one of them can be scum.
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On October 27 2015 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 01:57 gumshoe wrote:
Gb as your defacto lawyer this game, Rayn has declared his vote will stay on Xata, until that statement changes I don't recommend talking to him as he doesn't actually have any way to threaten you. That and he might just use everything you say as a way to condemn you / : if you think this i think you might want to lynch me no?
why would I waste a lynch on your salty butt?
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Rayn you literally gave us the answer on how to deal with you right here.
So you have three chances:
1) you think i am mafia which is where you vote for me
2) you think i am town and an idiot who cant find mafia where you do not address me at all
3) you think i am town and you will at least have a reasonable conversation with me
Number 2 is the winner. At some point, after Yam flips scum and you eat some crow, maybe we can talk about exploring 3, till then this thread should just collectively agree to ignore everything you say / :
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On October 27 2015 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 02:04 gumshoe wrote:On October 27 2015 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is what happened, regardless of if you want to address it or not;
- rayn calls GB town
- rayn calls GB scum, explains why he changes his view -- see yamato/Vivax, mostly Vivax)
- GB calls rayn town
- GB asks about his scumreads from rayn (or townreads -- but still rayn too)
- rayn says "you are not reading the thread"
- GB says "yes i have"
- rayn says "well then you would know my stance (also marv's/chrom's)"
- GB says okay so gimme reads on ppl
- rayn says "haha you're scum"
- GB says oh i just now figured out rayn is mafia i wanna vote for him
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D2:
GB argues that what i did on D1 (when he called me mafia) is inside my townplay...
^_^ why is he protecting you as scum at this point? You know your town Rayn, why isnt he pushing your wagon? Like seriously townies, inconsistent reads are only scummy if they correlate with scummy objectives bad play/inconsistent play does not equal scum. Compare this to Yams day 1 case of Slam which went like this Slam is scummy(no reasons provided) slam is not so scummy(no reasons provided) Slam is scum now that a wagon has formed on him (provided Literally marvs reasons but respun) gumshoe: Hey yam, why did you find slam scummy inititally? Yam: fak you Result- slamie townie is mislynched. See how this inconsistent read correlates with a scum agenda? Thats scummy : D. Compared to Gbs akward waffling and protection of Slam, as well his non scum sensible protection of you, a townie doing his very best to get lynched, theres really no comparison. That and only one of them can be scum. mmm i get you don't get it as you don't know my alignment and the situation at the moment.
Of course I know your alignment, your Rayn the dumbass townie. Your not the kind scum player who would default to using his shit meta to get a pass from town. Everyone plays mafia for a different thrill. Your not like blazing hand, its not enough for you to just get by, you want to win with dignity(ironic giving this situation XD). I explained how a scum Rayn would go about doing that, your whiny shit fit did not resemble that all. That and your day 1 looks reasonably townie so yeah / : your town, and your a butt.
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On October 27 2015 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 02:04 gumshoe wrote:On October 27 2015 01:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is what happened, regardless of if you want to address it or not;
- rayn calls GB town
- rayn calls GB scum, explains why he changes his view -- see yamato/Vivax, mostly Vivax)
- GB calls rayn town
- GB asks about his scumreads from rayn (or townreads -- but still rayn too)
- rayn says "you are not reading the thread"
- GB says "yes i have"
- rayn says "well then you would know my stance (also marv's/chrom's)"
- GB says okay so gimme reads on ppl
- rayn says "haha you're scum"
- GB says oh i just now figured out rayn is mafia i wanna vote for him
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D2:
GB argues that what i did on D1 (when he called me mafia) is inside my townplay...
^_^ why is he protecting you as scum at this point? You know your town Rayn, why isnt he pushing your wagon? Like seriously townies, inconsistent reads are only scummy if they correlate with scummy objectives bad play/inconsistent play does not equal scum. Compare this to Yams day 1 case of Slam which went like this Slam is scummy(no reasons provided) slam is not so scummy(no reasons provided) Slam is scum now that a wagon has formed on him (provided Literally marvs reasons but respun) gumshoe: Hey yam, why did you find slam scummy inititally? Yam: fak you Result- slamie townie is mislynched. See how this inconsistent read correlates with a scum agenda? Thats scummy : D. Compared to Gbs akward waffling and protection of Slam, as well his non scum sensible protection of you, a townie doing his very best to get lynched, theres really no comparison. That and only one of them can be scum. like... you sound like Xatalos... read the post again please. then re-read the thread.
You need to convince me Rayn, XD its not the other way around. I dont see what you see, so ethier use a fucking lens to show me or just accept thats its not reall there.
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On October 27 2015 02:12 Chromatically wrote:
Yeah we seriously should be lynching GB. I don't care if people say I'm tunneled. But it looks like it's not going to happen and I'm about out of effort to push it with.
I wrote a whole strong meta thing and have talked about it all day today and everyone's just like, "actually GB is town because I like this one post that sounds vaguely okay". Look at his total disinterest in the lynch today. He isn't even trying to push a target. He votes yamato, says he would prefer Onegu, and now is voting rayn over them for being annoying..?
Oh well though. I don't know what else to say at this point.
I looked into your meta thing. Your argument that Gb isnt pushing as hard as normal doesnt consider that 1) Gb has been busy and has had classes 2) Gb came under a ton of heat for pushing a derpy scum read(which is a townie thing btw) and had to spend time defending himself 3) by non Gb standards he pushed his case pretty hard, which considering you only have to valid 2 town games in your sample size should be enough to takethis point down to null.
I also countered the miscellaneous points you brought up
1) Gb wasnt teaching vivax he was continuing a 'vivax is scum' point from before
2) Theres no reason to give town passes to sketchy players as scum unless they're your buds (you know your town so yeah, thats one point against that possibility), mislynches are scums lifeblood, scum want to create an environment of negativity and distrust, building bridges with lynchable townies is not the way to do that.
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On October 27 2015 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Scum QT:
Xatalos: rayn is annoying
gumshoe: yeah
Xatalos: lynch him
gumshoe: no we cant
Xatalos: yeah we can
gumshoe: i am not sure
Xatalos: yes lynch him
gumshoe: mhmhm.---- ok
Xatalos: gogogoog
gumshoe: no you have been bad
Xatalos: no i am good
gumshoe: fuck you
Xatalos: shit
gumshoe: but what if GB gets lynched?
Xatalos: so bad
gumshoe: yes
to be continued....
ignorance is bliss
This sig becomes funnier every time I see it.
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On October 27 2015 02:14 Chromatically wrote:
Actually I have no clue what rayn is doing right now
being a huge scrub.
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Chrom if you want people to respond to your case, can you repost it but make it a lot clearer and streamlined? It was pretty hard to read through the first time ) :
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On October 27 2015 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2015 02:20 gumshoe wrote:On October 27 2015 02:12 Chromatically wrote:
Yeah we seriously should be lynching GB. I don't care if people say I'm tunneled. But it looks like it's not going to happen and I'm about out of effort to push it with.
I wrote a whole strong meta thing and have talked about it all day today and everyone's just like, "actually GB is town because I like this one post that sounds vaguely okay". Look at his total disinterest in the lynch today. He isn't even trying to push a target. He votes yamato, says he would prefer Onegu, and now is voting rayn over them for being annoying..?
Oh well though. I don't know what else to say at this point. I looked into your meta thing. Your argument that Gb isnt pushing as hard as normal doesnt consider that 1) Gb has been busy and has had classes 2) Gb came under a ton of heat for pushing a derpy scum read(which is a townie thing btw) and had to spend time defending himself 3) by non Gb standards he pushed his case pretty hard, which considering you only have to valid 2 town games in your sample size should be enough to takethis point down to null. I also countered the miscellaneous points you brought up 1) Gb wasnt teaching vivax he was continuing a 'vivax is scum' point from before 2) Theres no reason to give town passes to sketchy players as scum unless they're your buds (you know your town so yeah, thats one point against that possibility), mislynches are scums lifeblood, scum want to create an environment of negativity and distrust, building bridges with lynchable townies is not the way to do that. Okay gumshoe, if you are town, look at the fact that GB calls me mafia for the same things that he called me town earlier (no Xatalos, this is different). I don't wanna write up a big post, so.. meh..
Early in the game I town read Ritoky for coming after him, later on when I was considering him mafia, I scum read him for that same reason in my head -_- we dont always keep everything in a neat orderly fashion in our brains. Besides, scum are more likely to be afraid of getting tripped up by that shit than town and it doesn't correlate to a scum agenda(if Gb is scum there is no reason not to be pushing you, you are making it super easy).
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