Overall, this game was fiendishly difficult for me. I can't imagine there are many people who could have won with Onegu and Hopeless1der on their team given how they played (no offense, guys). Luckily, I had a lot of time for this game, a lot of determination, and this was a no-blues setup, so I could do what I did.

Marv and rayn were both shot because they were right about me, basically. Xat and ritoky were shot because gumshoe dying would make me look suspicious, and they were both unlynchable.

By the start of D3 anyone who thought I was scum was dead, so there was nobody jleft to scumread me

A lot of good players in this game; was tough.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 07 2015 23:21 GMT

#3867

Hmm, yeah, I didn't actually shoot Marv for scumreading me cause he hadn't come out and scumread me. probably a respect shot then, i thought he'd figure me out

rayn though, i shot him for scumreading me. If I'm scum and you scumread me or my teammtes typically you die.

I'm usually a super awful carry btw because despite my waning skill and influence I'm still almost always shot before LYLO as town so me being alive is super suspicious.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 09 2015 05:13 GMT

#3881

On November 08 2015 21:14 justanothertownie wrote:
I think mafia shouldn't be allowed to hold their shoot in this game but otherwise I still think that it was pretty balanced.

yeah i was a little surprised to notice this. thanks to vivax for pointing it out!

balance in this game happened in part because h1 and 1g were on my team

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 09 2015 21:40 GMT

#3884

rayn, I DEFINITELY shot you for scumreading me. You should be proud! You got it right and earned a bullet for your troubles:

....unless i come to the conclusion he is scum then the next thing is to read BH. Just because BH does not really take any stance on any lynch. He really does not, he goes onto his shennies which gives him outs left and right saying either "i was right", "i tried to lynch mafia", "i didn't want to lynch town", or if he hit mafia "i actually wanted to lynch that mafia". Shennies are bullshit and they don't even happen. Period. He is not trying to lynch anyone for reals.

This was so spot-on, except for the last bit where shennies are BS. They do happen, they just don't happen like that; you need a large base of people who are interested in them to begin with. There was a real risk on 1G getting lynched, it was just much smaller than you'd expect cause people weren't the most interested in shennies.

I's also worth noting the gb/yam shennies would only help scum hehe

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 09 2015 22:07 GMT

#3886

On November 10 2015 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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D1 when me and marv were voting for Slam there was no way you can ever lynch Onegu (or anyone there).
D2 the only correct play (while terrible) was to lynch yamato, at least when he wasn't most likely gonna come back and vote. Basically you don't lose anything if you lynch Onegu the next day and he is scum, but if he is town and you lynch him AND yamato it's a disaster.

I tried.. I tried so hard to get GlowingBear to do something else than tunnel Vivax, but no... I was planning to look into Onegu and you on N2 and wrote just what i remembered on the top of my head but then again Xatalos said something really stupid and it just killed my motivation. I didn't really have any other options for scum other than GlowingBear / three scum.

But i ill never lynch "null scummy" players over "stupid scummy". I can't make myself do that.
I would say well played but i don't think you played "that" well.

Well okay, well played. You won after all.
I think also gumshoe played really well despite the yamato push on D2.

For what it's worth, I never had to actually defend myself from a push all game, which is why it doesn't look like I had to play well. However, not being in a position where I had to do that was tough! On top of that, I had to make sure to shoot everyone who was suspicious of me before they got to air their suspicions. Especially during N2 and N3, I was aiming to make it so nobody would actually scumread me so I never was put in the spotlight. Shooting you WAS playing well. If I left you alive, I have no doubt you'd have caught me. It is easy to say "just shoot the people who scumread you", and I always recommend this, but people are actually very bad at this and it is apparently hard to do.

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 09 2015 22:37 GMT

#3888

On November 10 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes ofc. I would have caught you all on N3.
I doubt i would have lynched anyone but GB on D3 but after that everyone else was just town.

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well people are dumb and don't think why scum shoot people when it should be obvious.
like idk, i didn't follow the game after i died because i don't care about the games after i die but it seems like i was the only person who was suspicious of you -- i get shot, people thought i was "distracting the town" (when in fact Xatalos was -- really)..

Why does rayn get shot? hmm... Apparently 1+1 is hard.

Once you're dead it's really rare for people to read your filter, sadly. If it makes you feel better if I'm town and I see you get shot I'll read your filter rayn

Blazinghand

United States25560 Posts

November 10 2015 00:27 GMT

#3891

On November 10 2015 09:00 Chromatically wrote:
How do you determine that the BH read is significant compared to the other stronger reads when you're in the game though? Like how would you determine that that explanation is more likely than something like GB being mafia and worried rayn will get him lynched, or just a fear shot of rayn? (e. g. marv was just shot for being good and not for his specific reads)

Sorry if it's a dumb question, just trying to understand.

That's actually a great question. Basically what it comes down to is that it is pretty hard to tell why exactly someone was shot, but if someone IS shot, you want to review most of the cases they wrote and were pushing. Sometimes (As with Ritoky), people are shot because they're unlikely to be lynchable, or (as with Marv) are shot because even if they're not on the right track, scum respects their town play a lot and is afraid they might be on the right track. it's hard to distinguish this kind of shot from a shot on someone who is right on the money and has you as a top scumread, or from someone who is about to catch you but hasn't written a real cse yet (Rayn, this game).

Generally what I do is read the person's last few scumreads and say "this guy might be wrong, but at the very least he's not lying". In rayn's case this may not have led to you scumreading me, since I shot him before he could really develop the case (i'm just skilled that way) but in general this is a good strategy. Don't take their scumreads to heart; just reread their argumetns thinking "this guy is confirmed town". This won't always catch you scum, but it means that the silencing doesn't work. And cause you're not just automatically copying them, but just re-evaluating their arguments, the scum wifom strat of shooting someone who's tunnelling a townie won't work either; you will read the case and judge it on its own merits, but know it comes from an honest source.

Overall btw Chrom I thought you played well this game. I did not think you were a possible lynch target after like D2.