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Caveat before, the only adage is if hopeless is town (which hes not) then maybe someone townie is scum, otherwise no way, which is why we lynch hopeless / :
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On November 02 2015 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 03:19 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 03:15 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 03:05 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:54 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 02:50 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.
I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.
I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.
Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.
So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others. sure we can lynch gb tommorow, as I dont see vivax getting lynched till lylo(you want a slippery one, there ya go). But yeah, we need to kill hopeless today, gb and vivax arent scum together so hopeless must be. Yeah... although it's technically possible the team is something insane like GB+ritoky I guess? It's pretty hard to see a world where it's not Hopeless (although it's pretty hard for me to see not GB too). I'm just worried that you won't go on GB again tomorrow gumshoe, you betrayed me once before after yamato  . I'm sorry ) : your right I do owe you one, if you really really really wanna kill gb I wont oppose it ok? It's just not the optimal move ) : also if the team could BE something with ritoky, wouldnt it be better to know now before lylo? Gb's kill doesn't tell us anything about that T_T I'm not entirely sure what the correct move is here. GB's kill would tell us about the wagons yesterday (which we don't get form Hopeless), so that we can start considering bus possibilities if GB was town? The only way lynching one of them before the other is a problem is if both of them are town. So, we should lynch whichever one will give us the best information to decide if the other one could be town. If GB is town, then we can start considering whether the team was stacked on him (with Hopeless) or if it's some crazy bus (even though we should lynch Hopeless next anyway). If Hopeless is town, then... I don't think we get very much about other from that? Lynching for information feels bad but I think it's the best tiebreaker? if we lynch gb and hes scum, we probally just lynch hopeless and then vivax the following day anyways, nothing really changes, if we lynch gb and hes town, same story, we dont alter course If we lynch hopeless and hes scum, again, we stay the course if we lynch hopeless and hes town, that means ethier way we have a complex bus between vivax and gb, or someone in the town circle is scum. Basically we have 4 outcomes, and only one of them has us changing course / : the only information that matters is the one you have to act on, therefore if you lynch for info, hopeless is the superior choice. Wait, whey are we abandoning the H1 lynch if GB flips scum/town? I feel like we were all together on this before the Onegu flip: we lynch Onegu, Gb, and H1. Now the Onegu flip happens and everyone's freaking out. Why are we freaking out? Things are going great. I mean, yeah, vivax has turned into a suspicious motherfucker, but we have a spare lynch for him anyways. I think we got this on lockdown. Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.
I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.
I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.
Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.
So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others. Yeah support for the GB wagon has been gradually shot by scum for the past few days.
H1 dies no matter what, if he flips green, then we have to reconsider stuff (as in how likely is it that gb bussed vivax day 1)
but I really doubt h1 WONT flip scum.
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On November 02 2015 03:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 03:33 GlowingBear wrote:On November 02 2015 03:31 Vivax wrote:On November 02 2015 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:On November 02 2015 03:01 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:
After I die, think twice before doing meta cases. Hint: they suck.
Gut feelings say hopeless is town. Facts point out to him being mafia (him voting me like that today is bad).
If you trust gumshoe's appeal to me, he is town. If not, he is always mafia with Onegu. I trust it. I don't think someone can get that low and swear on the life of others and be lying. Really, this is my reason to town read him.
After I die, kill Vivax. Then think twice about BH. I'm town. If I die today, will you reach MYLO? If yes, kill Vivax. If no, get rid of hopeless so you guys can clear your heads.
Read the latest student mafia so you can see I can be this burned out as town. I was town there.
I will vote Vivax because he keeps saying he is ready to in scum read me and was going against gumshoe automatically after I've brought that case. There was no real interaction between them before he decided my case was good and no tral interaction before he decided gumshoe was town again and I was mafia. He's most likely to be mafia after all.
##Vote: Vivax
Still, I have no idea why I'm mafia besides the meta case. Can anyone elaborate on this? What does the underlined mean here? Hopeless is always a question mark. If you can afford a second mislynch (after I die), go for hopeless. If not, then go for Vivax which I think is way scummier. Wtf is that weird conditional? If you're town and die, tomorrow it's lylo right? So you should only be considering one scenario. I don't know if tomorroe is LYLO, I'm too lazy to do maths. And you felt less lazy in the other running game considering I was checking when you were rather posting there than here. Matter I'm allowed to talk about cause that game is over.
We tend to play the games we have more fun with : P is gb universally dispised by that games town as well? no? Then moot point.
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On November 02 2015 03:37 Chromatically wrote:
I have to go literally right this second so I'm going to move to GB, partially because I think we get more info (sorry gumshoe I haven't thought about your recent post much yet) and partially to prevent people form switching to a stupid lynch because I won't be here other than occasional phone until deadline.
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear
by your command T_T I did promise afterall
##unvote
##vote glowing bear
maaaaaybe we get lucky? Eh, whateves, I tried gb I'm sorry ) : don't hate me.
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On November 02 2015 03:38 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 03:35 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:On November 02 2015 03:19 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 03:15 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 03:05 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:54 Chromatically wrote:On November 02 2015 02:50 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.
I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.
I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.
Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.
So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others. sure we can lynch gb tommorow, as I dont see vivax getting lynched till lylo(you want a slippery one, there ya go). But yeah, we need to kill hopeless today, gb and vivax arent scum together so hopeless must be. Yeah... although it's technically possible the team is something insane like GB+ritoky I guess? It's pretty hard to see a world where it's not Hopeless (although it's pretty hard for me to see not GB too). I'm just worried that you won't go on GB again tomorrow gumshoe, you betrayed me once before after yamato . I'm sorry ) : your right I do owe you one, if you really really really wanna kill gb I wont oppose it ok? It's just not the optimal move ) : also if the team could BE something with ritoky, wouldnt it be better to know now before lylo? Gb's kill doesn't tell us anything about that T_T I'm not entirely sure what the correct move is here. GB's kill would tell us about the wagons yesterday (which we don't get form Hopeless), so that we can start considering bus possibilities if GB was town? The only way lynching one of them before the other is a problem is if both of them are town. So, we should lynch whichever one will give us the best information to decide if the other one could be town. If GB is town, then we can start considering whether the team was stacked on him (with Hopeless) or if it's some crazy bus (even though we should lynch Hopeless next anyway). If Hopeless is town, then... I don't think we get very much about other from that? Lynching for information feels bad but I think it's the best tiebreaker? if we lynch gb and hes scum, we probally just lynch hopeless and then vivax the following day anyways, nothing really changes, if we lynch gb and hes town, same story, we dont alter course If we lynch hopeless and hes scum, again, we stay the course if we lynch hopeless and hes town, that means ethier way we have a complex bus between vivax and gb, or someone in the town circle is scum. Basically we have 4 outcomes, and only one of them has us changing course / : the only information that matters is the one you have to act on, therefore if you lynch for info, hopeless is the superior choice. Wait, whey are we abandoning the H1 lynch if GB flips scum/town? I feel like we were all together on this before the Onegu flip: we lynch Onegu, Gb, and H1. Now the Onegu flip happens and everyone's freaking out. Why are we freaking out? Things are going great. I mean, yeah, vivax has turned into a suspicious motherfucker, but we have a spare lynch for him anyways. I think we got this on lockdown. On November 02 2015 02:47 Chromatically wrote:
Honestly, I don't know what my preference is really (on GB/Hopeless today) so I was just planning on going with whatever most people wanted to do to prevent some crazy voteswitches if people went insane or something. I've thought about what would happen if either player flipped either alignment, and I believe that the next lynch is always the other player.
I want GB because knowing what the wagons are is nice, he's getting harder to lynch (especially if Hopeless is town and we go to LYLO), he's very likely to be mafia from play, and personal gratification.
I want Hopeless because it feels incorrect to let him live another day without playing, and because he's very likely to be mafia just from his vote yesterday.
Maybe this is getting to far ahead, but in the event that we lynched Hopeless today and he flipped mafia, I think it's pretty important that we lynch GB next and not at LYLO. That way, in the event that GB is town, we have maximum information at LYLO on the D3 wagons so we can determine what the most likely last mafia is. I guess this scenario is unlikely though because it's not LYLO if Hopeless is mafia so GB probably gets lynched.
So I'm not sure if any of these reasons is better than the others. Yeah support for the GB wagon has been gradually shot by scum for the past few days. H1 dies no matter what, if he flips green, then we have to reconsider stuff (as in how likely is it that gb bussed vivax day 1) but I really doubt h1 WONT flip scum. HAHAHA the game where people were acumreading me until LYLO because I was useless. GJ Vivax. And if you really doubt hopeless won't flip scum you should be voting him since you thought I could be town a few hours ago when I made my case on gumshoe. You're clearly mafia and it amuses me people can't see.
I was voting him 0_0 that just changed cause of mah obligation to chrom but you know what, you can go ahead and die, I wont miss you, game will be better without you. Bai bai.
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CHROM, GET IN HERE, THEN GET IN MAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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Me bieng totally right about everything and everyone but yamato, what an awful piece of trash player, fucking thought me, the only guy keeping him alive for two fucking days straight was "lol, super obvius scum"
remind me to never expect anything of Gb in any game I ever play with him.
Also Ritoky is, sigh. pretty confirmed town right about now.
Btw remember that time vivax desperately tried to get xata to vote switch onto the guy we now know is town to save scum? What a funny funny fella!
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On November 02 2015 07:18 ritoky wrote:
so basically all town lists are:
ritoky
everyone else
scum
this shit right here is how you get mislynched like a boss fyi
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On November 02 2015 07:24 ritoky wrote:
i am conf town
still have a hard time seeing gumdrop and BH as mafia.
chroma i guess slightly more possible post flip
h1 and viv still make bottom of list.
i guess i will try and do vote stuff or read stuff before my inevitable death....which really should have been last night since mafia knew gb would flip town.
scum will never shoot you. Calling it now : P
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On November 02 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 07:25 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 07:24 ritoky wrote:
i am conf town
still have a hard time seeing gumdrop and BH as mafia.
chroma i guess slightly more possible post flip
h1 and viv still make bottom of list.
i guess i will try and do vote stuff or read stuff before my inevitable death....which really should have been last night since mafia knew gb would flip town. scum will never shoot you. Calling it now : P can you stop passive aggressively calling me bad.
you are bad, is that better? Do you feel like lynching me now cause I've said the truth? Just because I've bruised your ego doesn't me you should kill me bro.
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Like Ritoky, when you act in a way you know that pisses people off, you are just as responsible as them when town eventually implodes.
If you want me not to passively call you bad, stop being bad, you are giving scum an opening you don't have to.
Also my reason for you going to lylo isnt that your bad, just that your the most likely to panic with your back against the wall.
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On November 02 2015 07:39 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 07:37 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:On November 02 2015 07:25 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 07:24 ritoky wrote:
i am conf town
still have a hard time seeing gumdrop and BH as mafia.
chroma i guess slightly more possible post flip
h1 and viv still make bottom of list.
i guess i will try and do vote stuff or read stuff before my inevitable death....which really should have been last night since mafia knew gb would flip town. scum will never shoot you. Calling it now : P can you stop passive aggressively calling me bad. you are bad, is that better? Do you feel like lynching me now cause I've said the truth? Just because I've bruised your ego doesn't me you should kill me bro. yes it is better. don't care if you think i am bad. just say it instead of being passive aggressive about it over multiple phases. even if you're wrong about it, but hey everyone got an opinion and a dick size.
I was actually trying to impersonate your tone : P
I dont actually have a huge problem with your play, I just dont like you taunting us, as it gives scum wiggle room (vivax has already seeded against you today)
also you've shown the most doubt as to the plan and certain reads the town holds in high regard, you actually called bh scum day 3 -_- your uncertainty is a weakness mafia cant afford not to exploit. Thats why your not going to die.
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On November 02 2015 07:45 ritoky wrote:
okay, and you calling people bad all game doesn't make them want to lynch you out of spite?
pot -> kettle.
also you're wrong about lylo. i am prone to make my mind up rather quickly in lylo and give 0 shits what people say.
I was impersonating you, as I said : P literally taking qoutes directly from you, but yeah giving 0 shits is bad, good townies need to be able to convince others, so I regard that aspect of your play as careless / :
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whateves, I wont let you get lynched so your attitude doesn't matter, and as long as your not a total idiot lylo should be a breeze, so do watcha want : D
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On November 02 2015 07:50 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 07:46 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 07:39 ritoky wrote:On November 02 2015 07:37 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:On November 02 2015 07:25 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 07:24 ritoky wrote:
i am conf town
still have a hard time seeing gumdrop and BH as mafia.
chroma i guess slightly more possible post flip
h1 and viv still make bottom of list.
i guess i will try and do vote stuff or read stuff before my inevitable death....which really should have been last night since mafia knew gb would flip town. scum will never shoot you. Calling it now : P can you stop passive aggressively calling me bad. you are bad, is that better? Do you feel like lynching me now cause I've said the truth? Just because I've bruised your ego doesn't me you should kill me bro. yes it is better. don't care if you think i am bad. just say it instead of being passive aggressive about it over multiple phases. even if you're wrong about it, but hey everyone got an opinion and a dick size. I was actually trying to impersonate your tone : P I dont actually have a huge problem with your play, I just dont like you taunting us, as it gives scum wiggle room (vivax has already seeded against you today) also you've shown the most doubt as to the plan and certain reads the town holds in high regard, you actually called bh scum day 3 -_- your uncertainty is a weakness mafia cant afford not to exploit. Thats why your not going to die. I mean it isn't impossible BH is scum and just made sick plays and rekt my lyfe. He would have had to do RNG as scum for first time in years, then fake shennanie his partner day 1 knowing it wouldn't work, then lead a lynch on his partner d3. No cop does lend itself more to a bus-based strat, but that's pretty elaborate and I have accepted I am probably just gonna lose if BH did all that shit. On d3 before we lynched mafia I had not come to Jesus.
there ya go : D doubt, you has it, scum whoever they are will exploit it, I dont envy you, you think you have a grip on it now but I can already see the future, you'll lock your vote in the first hour, and then spending the next 48 hours wondering if your right / : gonna be a fun day.
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On November 02 2015 07:52 ritoky wrote:
also you should go talk to kitaman about doing an impersonation of me. guy did it pretty well in the impersonation game. i laughed and called it; but then no1 listened and sadness was had.
lols
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On November 02 2015 07:54 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 07:52 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 07:50 ritoky wrote:On November 02 2015 07:46 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 07:39 ritoky wrote:On November 02 2015 07:37 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 07:27 ritoky wrote:On November 02 2015 07:25 gumshoe wrote:On November 02 2015 07:24 ritoky wrote:
i am conf town
still have a hard time seeing gumdrop and BH as mafia.
chroma i guess slightly more possible post flip
h1 and viv still make bottom of list.
i guess i will try and do vote stuff or read stuff before my inevitable death....which really should have been last night since mafia knew gb would flip town. scum will never shoot you. Calling it now : P can you stop passive aggressively calling me bad. you are bad, is that better? Do you feel like lynching me now cause I've said the truth? Just because I've bruised your ego doesn't me you should kill me bro. yes it is better. don't care if you think i am bad. just say it instead of being passive aggressive about it over multiple phases. even if you're wrong about it, but hey everyone got an opinion and a dick size. I was actually trying to impersonate your tone : P I dont actually have a huge problem with your play, I just dont like you taunting us, as it gives scum wiggle room (vivax has already seeded against you today) also you've shown the most doubt as to the plan and certain reads the town holds in high regard, you actually called bh scum day 3 -_- your uncertainty is a weakness mafia cant afford not to exploit. Thats why your not going to die. I mean it isn't impossible BH is scum and just made sick plays and rekt my lyfe. He would have had to do RNG as scum for first time in years, then fake shennanie his partner day 1 knowing it wouldn't work, then lead a lynch on his partner d3. No cop does lend itself more to a bus-based strat, but that's pretty elaborate and I have accepted I am probably just gonna lose if BH did all that shit. On d3 before we lynched mafia I had not come to Jesus. there ya go : D doubt, you has it, scum whoever they are will exploit it, I dont envy you, you think you have a grip on it now but I can already see the future, you'll lock your vote in the first hour, and then spending the next 48 hours wondering if your right / : gonna be a fun day. You shouldn't think in absolutes unless mechanics dictate so, like with me. Regardless I can think of only 1 scenario where I vote for BH this game.
meh, truly townie play is quite hard to play, even expert scum (holy flare, palmer) look pretty lackluster in retrospect, and they are pretty much the best we have to look at, but this is a pretty solid game for bh so yeah, I'm not gonna even consider throwing the game over the ultimate tinfoil.
Also the thing about Bh that Bh left out, all the things he does (pretend to be moving) are to excuse sloppy play, basically hell do anything to explain why hes scummy, but hes not scummy this game so his meta means nothing. Hes just playing a pretty objectively reasonable game.
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On November 02 2015 23:36 Vivax wrote:
I'm like 100 % on ritoky being mafia reading a bit of what rayn said on D1 and page 11 of his filter.
Also that means Chroma was town hero with his D1 reads.
I'll talk about it with people who are open to the idea.
translation of bolded:" I will talk about it with anyone dumb enough to buy what I am selling"
Ritoky's day 1 vote on onegu could have resulted in his scum lynch instead, why even tempt fate? That and he could have brought us into lylo 1 day sooner, oh and not to mention any case that begins with
"well you see rayn had this awesome read!"
is generally a bad sign considering rayn is insane / : (top two scum reads of xata and gb, though to be fair everyone was pretty mads at Gb.)
Tone wise hes also pretty town, dont know many scum who would flaunt "confirmed town" statues in such a way -_- basically ritokys antics are backed up by the conviction that if town lynches him, they fucked up, not him. It's pretty hard to fake that kind of passion / :
Also what happened? I thought we had a thing D : I still think I'm your best bet!
Dont give up on me vivax D : I haven't given up on you! But yeah town, I would sooner you lynch me than ritoky because at least I led a mislynched, Ritoky almost nailed his buddy day 1 for no reason, and hammered him of his own volition day 3 -_- he be totes totes town.
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