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gumshoe
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##vote onegu we need to lynch onegu today, I think ritoky is town but if hes insistent on 1gu bieng town and xata bieng scum and pixies bieng real then we might very lose someone sensible tonight and have trouble killing onegu in the future. Thats not even considering gb flips town T_T in which case ritoky might somehow use that as fuel for his silly reads. Hopeless, if your here vote 1gu, he should be clear scum from your pov. | ||
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On October 30 2015 05:16 Blazinghand wrote: i'm pretty sure we're just arguing about which of two scum to lynch first so i can't really bring myself to care about this argument, but ritoky I will reread onegu since you insist, and if I were in your position I'd want "sure" people to reread the stuff about the guy I'm TRing. I gotta grab dinner real quick but I'll have an answer for you at least half an hour before deadline you should care, if gb flips town for some dumb reason, then you me or xata die, well have 3 scum plus ritoky vs 3 town and onegu might not get lynched till lylo or something equally disturbing. | ||
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On October 30 2015 05:15 ritoky wrote: i already told you about xata gumdrop. and here I was thinking rayn was dead, yet clearly he lives on, hurah -_- | ||
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On October 30 2015 05:21 ritoky wrote: if gb flips town you're also wrong. consider that. and if gb flips mafia, i am going hard on 1 of you, xata, and vivax and never stopping. pick vivax then XD | ||
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On October 30 2015 05:18 ritoky wrote: stray voting is a 50/50 game tbh. that's a coinflip argument at best. also idk what you're talking about not looking for scum. outside of this phase (where i believe all of 1gu's friends are dead in) he has done more scum hunting than i have ever seen in a game lol. so uhhhh....you're wrong. slam comment is interesting point, but maybe he just has a god read on slam like me. 1: Everything your saying is wifom, 1gu mighta killed rayn to sway townies his way, your are literally the living proof that this is a possibility 2: Whereas the nightkill is all wifom, 1gu's votes are facts. By wasting them on hopeless if hes town he is effectively sacrificing his ability to influence the vote. If the vote is between scum and town, and scum survive then the townie who burned his vote has effectively contributed to another townies mislynch. 3: This works as well vice versa for a scummer trying to save his teamates, but what if 1gu's teamates were never at risk? 4: 1gus day 2 behavior is only optimal if a scummer was not in danger and 1gu is scum, if 1gu is town, he does not actually know if his vote will make a diffrence or not, but if 1gu is scum, he DOES know that the best move is to steer clear of the lynch, so as to avoid fall out from it. Basically avoiding a vote is a pr move, you know who cares about pr? Scum / : the end lynch da goo. | ||
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On October 30 2015 05:35 ritoky wrote: so let's assume for a moment i am a GOD and completely right about onegu town and gb mafia. that means we have a very even wagon between a town and a mafia. hopeless (resident lurker) comes into the thread, says some blah blah blah, and votes on the mafia in a town vs mafia situation. this almost always confirms hopeless......which would mean 2 mafia are outside the PoE if GB is mafia and onegu is town... is that a world i want to believe in....ugh, fuck you brain for thinking. Chrom is town-would not have pushed gb so hard day 2, ESPECIALLY IF YOUR RIGHT AND GB IS SCUM. BH is town- has played very reasonable this game, nothing scummy to really point at, no point lynching because hes gonna get shot. Xata-dont even get me started again, also will probally get shot vivax- wont argue here, we might be on the same page you- derp me- double derp tldr only worry about it when someone whose supposed to die tonight doesn't die | ||
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On October 30 2015 05:39 ritoky wrote: does shennanies onto hopeless and him flipping mafia say anything with relative certainty about GB's alignment? hrm... See this is where you run into issues / : why is hopeless not voting 1gu? 1gu is pushing the shit out of hopeless, if I was hopeless i would vote him in a heartbeat. Look at the hopeless posts on Gb I think I buy this. Am I crazy? (in response to gbs plea day 1)Kind of null about GB, I'd vote him but more on a PoE basis. then he comes out with this Agree with this, and onegu doesnt seem as bad as GB after reading through their filters. GB is constantly throwing around "but what about this scummy thing thats just like me", seems like trying to deflect from himself. what a flop / : also read this shit right here is a straight up contradiction. Onegu still feels like he's "testing" me so I'm going to let him be for the time being but I really want to OMGUS him Hopeless's original reason for town reading onegu was that onegu was only "testing him" if that was ever the case the testing phase has long since passed, Onegu is straight up trying to murder hopeless! Rayn scum reads Xata, and hopeless and then dies. Coincidence I think not. Anyway I am going to bed. We should lynch xata or hopeless today. Hopeless is scum this I am sure That vote from hopeless on Xata is so fucking random, If he is going to be around why use a placeholder and why Xata. Then he drops a vote on GB... Why does this give me the heebie jeebies that this is two town wagons... Can we please vote hopeless? So question, why is hopeless town reading onegu right this instant? I honestly dont have the answer Agree with this, and onegu doesnt seem as bad as GB after reading through their filters. GB is constantly throwing around "but what about this scummy thing thats just like me", seems like trying to deflect from himself All we have atm is that onegu isnt as scummy as gb... so what? Is he town reading onegu? WHY?! He said townreading onegu cause hes just teasing, but thats a godamm lie! lets be generous and say he consideres gb and onegu his top two scum reads, who would you rather lynch? The dude who constantly calling for your head? or the guy whose just upset hes bieng grouped with you, a fella whose filter is basically non existent mid day 2 ? gb about as raw as he gets vs hopeless AND consider that I am mafia with onegu and hopeless ROFL Onegu wins the antananism race by a godamm mile, so why isnt hopeless killing him if only to make the game more pleasant for himself? Cause they ares scum -_- agendas are at play people. Vote for the guu | ||
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On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, so it seems I'm dead today. Some thoughts for you: IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy. BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town. I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho. i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out. | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:14 ritoky wrote: how yolo do i feel? I was wrong yesterday ) : so today's choice is yours, but TRY to make sense of what hopeless is doing is hes scum, it doesn't unless hes trying to protect 1gu / : maybe it doesnt matter and 1gu and gb are both scum, but based of hopeless's actions we should definitely be voting onegu. | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:16 ritoky wrote: i think there is no way it is a team of those 3. there's always a sneakster mafia. onegu/hopeless/x most likely if onegu gb/x/x most likely if gb. I actually agree with possibility 1 a smidge, you probably know who my final scum read is by now / : | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:17 Blazinghand wrote: there's gotta be at least 2 scum in there though. who's scum if it's not AT LEAST 2 of those 3? from ritokys perspective, it would have to be xata vivax, cmon ritoky, why isnt hopeless voting onegu? If hopeless is the only scum between them, why not look more consistent and vote for the guy whose trying to kill you instead of doubling back on a guy you were null at best on, and town read at several points in the game? If hopeless is scum with gb, why vote him when he can just vote for onegu? the guy trying to kill him? In fact, why draw attention to himself with such a shitty vote for no reason?(might have resulted in his own lynch)? The only way hopeless DOESNT vote for onegu, and compromises himself in such a fashion is to protect his scum buddy, who has been bussing hopeless all this time to create some distance If hopeless is town, then hope is actually lost, and hes also insane for not voting onegu ) : cmon ritoky, yah got dis | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:27 Blazinghand wrote: Like if somehow both 1G and H1 are town I don't know if there's anything we can actually do to WIN, you know? Like we have to choose wether or not to lynch them, and I think we should I know right? Its what I've been thinking all this time ) : though I've avoided saying that to Ritoky cause thats the kind of thing that would set a giant killer townie off "WHAT you think I cant win this game? NAY, I shall destroy these magical mobsters!" | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:31 ritoky wrote: this level of contentment being so widespread makes me think if we just kill these 3 town will lose the game...but maybe i am too tinfoil for my own good. i do suck as town. Dont even sweat it man, I am the lord of tinfoil, but yeah best way to lose this game is to start pointing the finger at people who have been super duper active and as helpful as they can be with no blue aid whatsoever /  the lack of fluff and mechanics may be why your reading certain filter as somewhat vapid.) | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: PLEASE READ ~ If ONEGU is MAFIA Then gumshoe is 100% mafia. 1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town. Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion. The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON? This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read. The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense. 2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE. WITH. AN. UNVOTE. Let me tell you again. His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY? 3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone. This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu? 4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways. There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu. But in the case he is... ~ If ONEGU is TOWN Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town. lord save me from these godamm, not even townies, carnies. 1: I AM TRYING TO KILL ONEGU RIGHT THIS INSTANCE. chill out brah. 2: Big part of my read on you was my scum read on yam / : once that didnt pan out I had to reconsider, thats the nature of reading someone one way cause you read someone else another. 3: I still kinda town read you (never put you above 50 percent scum honestly) its just your the only person I am willing to spend our one remaining mislynch on(gone into this indepth already but everyone else except one dude outside the 3 is super townie). Your basically mah sacrificial lamb speaking of which, howd you get out of the pen? | ||
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On October 30 2015 06:44 GlowingBear wrote: 2 is not true because i've especifically asked you this and you said it would clear me TO THE OTHERS. I'm gonna find the post. 3 why would you risk mislynching me WHEN YOU COULD BE LYNCHING YOUR SCUMREAD? Lol so you can risk mislynching me but you can't risk mislynching a player who isn't playing at all? Haha you're full of shit. I'll only talk to you again if I live and Onegu dies. cause if im right it doesnt matter if you live or die. I didnt really care about this lynch, unless one of my super duper town reads are wrong, then the next 4 days SHOULD be auto pilot. At one point I actually did kinda pref your lynch cause it would undivide town, and your reasoning was super duper wifomy and bads. It offended my sensibility's. But I didnt really care honestly / : I started to once the possibility arose that onegu might never be lynched if Ritoky goes after xata or something and you flip town. Does that make me a bit cold and douchy? yes, scum? Not really. The funny things is? I do kinda still think your town and we might even agree on a certain someone. I am just a jerk, ok? A jerk, I use you for my own agendas (mah yamato scum read, now this onegu insurance) and I am totally willing to discard you the moment your not useful to me, but that doesnt make me scum : P | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:03 Chromatically wrote: LOL at GB's celebration, I don't think posting a theoretical scumteam that no one believes is a reason to celebrate when people are going to lynch you next. yeah gb is probs town. also were lynching hopeless tommorow. On October 30 2015 06:00 gumshoe wrote: See this is where you run into issues / : why is hopeless not voting 1gu? 1gu is pushing the shit out of hopeless, if I was hopeless i would vote him in a heartbeat. Look at the hopeless posts on Gb (in response to gbs plea day 1) then he comes out with this what a flop / : also read this shit right here is a straight up contradiction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzrJP3kOngk Hopeless's original reason for town reading onegu was that onegu was only "testing him" if that was ever the case the testing phase has long since passed, Onegu is straight up trying to murder hopeless! So question, why is hopeless town reading onegu right this instant? I honestly dont have the answer All we have atm is that onegu isnt as scummy as gb... so what? Is he town reading onegu? WHY?! He said townreading onegu cause hes just teasing, but thats a godamm lie! lets be generous and say he consideres gb and onegu his top two scum reads, who would you rather lynch? The dude who constantly calling for your head? or the guy whose just upset hes bieng grouped with you, a fella whose filter is basically non existent mid day 2 ? gb about as raw as he gets vs hopeless Onegu wins the antananism race by a godamm mile, so why isnt hopeless killing him if only to make the game more pleasant for himself? Cause they ares scum -_- agendas are at play people. Vote for the guu | ||
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so yeah, third scum is still out there boys. | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:04 ritoky wrote: well, i am a donkey. but at least i am a confirmed town donkey. yes, you 100 percent are. so still suspect me and xata? Dont tell me you've gone full gb and now we look even scummier T_T | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:05 Chromatically wrote: GB is probably town? I don't think so gumshoe. I guess I should look at stuff again or something now that there's a confirmed mafia flip but doubtful it will change my mind. just a pet theory : D I wont lie, I dont mind lynching him even though I am reasonably confident hes town, as I dont want to bother swaying literally everyone here why the pants on head townie is a townie, and I SUPER fucking dont want be there at lylo with gb, but yeah, check out mah hopeless arguments and come to your own conclusions. (actually hilarious, gb me and vivax at lylo, and gb has to pick between his two biggest scum reads to win the game.) | ||
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