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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 25 2015 18:37 GMT
#21
/in
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 13 2015 18:04 GMT
#285
Oh, this has started.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 13 2015 18:50 GMT
#294
So I've decided to put in some effort into this game as there's not a massive amount to read yet. In order from towniest to scummiest:

+ Show Spoiler [Rels] +

On October 13 2015 21:05 Rels wrote:
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On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall

This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff.

GB almost used the same opening last game:
On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:

O hai!

I'm town

It was actually his second post.

So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!"

Will see if he ever:
- did the same opening two times in a row as town, or
- did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town

OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything.
Sources:
+ Show Spoiler +

Hammertime mafia as town:
On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town

Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town:
On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm mafia!

Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia:
On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, hai!

I'm town



I like that he went to the effort of digging this up, and retracted his earlier read based on it.

On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote:
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On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb.


Why do you need to write this?



On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.


It is the first page
Courteous greeting for Koshi
You think he is scum?


Hello anti town people


GB is town
Alakasamboombam is town
Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town.

are you serious. I had to go back to check

GB's posts at the time:
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall

On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:
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On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.

Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.

If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.

4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.

If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.

There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.


So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.



tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.

tldr2: Read tldr 1


You make things easier.

##vote: Koshi

On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start


Slam's posts at the time:
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On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson

You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work

On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:
I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here


On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:
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On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:
On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall


I assume you are referring to [image loading]

In which case you used the correct color.

But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these...
[image loading]

Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you.

Spoken with precision

On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!

Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas

On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:
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On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.

Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.

If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.

4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.

If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.

There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.


So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.



tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.

tldr2: Read tldr 1

This dude looks like a cop-out artist here

Why

What is the true motive for this post?


TT's posts at the time:
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On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:
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On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!

I'm thrall


I assume you are referring to [image loading]

In which case you used the correct color.

But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these...
[image loading]

Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you.

On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:
So I was stupid today guys...

I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning

I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though.



Explain your town reads.


More good work here.


On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:
Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these:

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On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:
On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy

Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die.


Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die?


I agree this was a shit vote.


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On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:
Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1.

On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.

Last post.

Only quality posts from now on.

I love you too.

On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.

Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before.


Specially since he just stopped posting after that.

Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit".

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On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on

GB
Copcake
onegu

Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!"

I think TT is not-town.


And more again. In fact I like most of Rels' filter. #1 Townie for me so far.



+ Show Spoiler [koshi] +

Is active, complains about balance, pushes some early reads. Seems like town to me. Also love this:

On October 14 2015 02:10 Koshi wrote:
GB logic:
Show nested quote +
I am town and I fully comprehend the arguments brought against TT and I find them to be reasonable and believable, I could even follow them. However, I don't understand how 2 other people are voting for TT. Very suspicious by them. Because when they read the arguments that were fully reasonable and believable they should not have believed them and should not have pressured TT at all.

I think both Xatalos and Koshi are very suspicious for jumping on this TT wagon based on very reasonable and believable arguments.




+ Show Spoiler [Superbia] +


On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.


On October 13 2015 20:19 Superbia wrote:
dun dun dunnnn.
Btw: I like koshi. I think I like slam. I still dislike moosy. Moosy did this whole "let's be friends" routine bullshit which I completely disliked. And he did it with 3 separate people. (Hint: he probably doesn't have a read on any of them)


I'm a fan of these posts, as they mirror my own thinking. That's enough for me to lean town for now.



+ Show Spoiler [Sylencia] +

On October 13 2015 14:40 Sylencia wrote:
The more haikus made
The more I want to kill you
JK, good gimmick

Also CopCake, how does that 1 line make Superbia anti-town?


On October 13 2015 23:49 Sylencia wrote:
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On October 13 2015 23:26 Xatalos wrote:
Or overall what's your take on the recent events / main reads?


Reserving judgement based on recent events because I'm still processing it (read: I'm not trying very hard). Main read is CopCake anti-town because their reasoning baffles me (aka there is no reasoning) and I can't understand a train of process that goes:

Suspect A: 1 word brb
Suspect B: Crap haiku

Suspect A gets the vote.


Same as above, mirroring my own thoughts and suspicions. Town lean.



+ Show Spoiler [Xatalos] +

On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote:
I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason.


This does drive me a little bit nuts as well.

On October 13 2015 20:23 Xatalos wrote:
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On October 13 2015 20:17 Koshi wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:06 Xatalos wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:00 Koshi wrote:
Seriously Xatalos. The explanation is standing in the damn vote. Moosy did completely nothing. He could be town doing completely nothing. Or he could be mafia doing completely nothing.

Town sometimes adds some silly plan in their first post, or try to do something. Mafia doesn't have do to shit so sometimes they forget they actually need to pretend to be town in the start.

Moosy didn't do shit. Hence. He could be mafia. Still didn't do shit when I poked him to do shit. Passive as fuck. Defensive. ezgame.

I am reading this forum on TL Dota so I have no filters. But I am probably 100% right.


I got the opposite picture? He didn't really do anything, but he seemed pretty relaxed despite your attack (not defensive / worried). And I think Mafia very rarely just "forget they need to pretend to look town". Rather, it's much more likely that Mafia do something at least resembling an okayish starter while townies often just explode.

Everything you wrote here has nothing to do with the current situation.
You even fucking contradict your read on Moosy and your expectation what a townie would do.

Sure. Some mafia make an OK starting post. Those are the mafia that understand that to look townie you need to start doing some minor shit. The shit mafia or trash 3p don't do that. Moosy didn't do that HENCE he is mafia.
QED


Looking "Not worried" and "not defensive" is not alignment indicative at all. I gave him a reason to do something. Instead he continued to do nothing. Like literally nothing.

Could Moosy be town that decided to do literally nothing? Sure. He could be. Do I care? No. Was he my best bet on mafia? Yes. Is he still my best bet of mafia? Maybe, depends if this Xatalos guy decides to play dumb.


I don't think that "doing something" or "playing according to someone else's wishes" is what makes someone townie, especially in the first page of the game or so. What could he have been "doing" exactly? The game had just started.

What really matters is the consistency and motivation of someone's posts. Let's see... As scum, he would have plenty of motivation to appease someone that just started accusing him, or misdirect the attention away, or something. He would likely show some sort of inconsistency when the situation suddenly changes. Instead, he continued doing whatever meaningless he was doing. He wasn't panicked about the situation, and his attitude was consistent. That's why I got the gut feeling he was town.


I disagree with this, but I understand the thought process and feels towny to me.

On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:09 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote: Sylencia


Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them.


Again, I disagree with the read, but I like the fact that he's made it and is pushing something.

Overall a bit of filler about the voteapp and other things, but is still making some interesting posts. Slight townlean.



+ Show Spoiler [Onegu] +

On October 13 2015 18:21 Onegu wrote:
With 3 blues and 4 mafia/3p I roll fucking VT.

Fuck this.

Onegu out.

Taking some pain meds and relaxing.

Back later to figure this game out.


Another VT claim. Not much here, Null.


+ Show Spoiler [Alakaslam] +
Couldn't make much sense of his filter tbh. Null
+


+ Show Spoiler [gobbledydook] +

The haikus are fine, but very little substance tbh. I like the first one a bit, but that's all:
On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.


It is the first page
Courteous greeting for Koshi
You think he is scum?


I'd want a bit more before making a proper read, but leaning towards the scum side of null atm.



+ Show Spoiler [GlowingBear] +


On October 14 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, no.

Just thought about something.

Koshi is back to null.

Don't ask me what it is.


I don't see the point of posts like these. Either explain or don't say anything until you can explain.

On October 14 2015 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
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On October 14 2015 02:13 Koshi wrote:
No seriously.

He can get behind the wagon on TT except for the fact that there are already 2 people on the wagon, who actually most likely believed the same thing GB believed but didn't have the hesitance of somebody already being on the wagon.

Then GB proceeds to call these 2 people suspicious.

[image loading]


I thought I saw 3 votes on him?

I don't know who are voting him, I just thought his wagon being formed fast is suspicious.

I've already said who I dislike at least until page 7. The others I've just skimmed.


It was a bit of a weird reaction to a two man wagon. I dunno, overall still null.



+ Show Spoiler [MoosyDoosy] +


Didn't really like how he just ignored and sidestepped Koshi's fos/vote. Hasn't really done anything really yet, despite being active and posting.

On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive.


Quality post . Leaning scum.


+ Show Spoiler [Tictock] +
I agree with a lot of Rels' case, but I want to add this as well:

On October 14 2015 01:22 Tictock wrote:
When do I ever actually tryhard D1?


On October 14 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive.


What did you expect mid day?

I hope this doesn't mean you plan to skate by.




As a counterpoint though, he has been reasonably active (without much filler). So that's a small town point at least.


+ Show Spoiler [copcake] +

On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb.


Why do you need to write this?



Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:
On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.


It is the first page
Courteous greeting for Koshi
You think he is scum?


Hello anti town people


GB is town
Alakasamboombam is town
Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town.



On October 13 2015 13:40 CopCake wrote:
Also Moosy naming me, idk how to take it.

##Superbia


As Rels pointed out, it's a pretty big leap to make those town reads so early. AND claiming VT and voting based on a brb? Meh, to the bottom of the scumpile you go.


Gonna vote for copcake based on the above.

##Vote: copcake
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 13 2015 20:30 GMT
#305
On October 14 2015 05:23 Rels wrote:
Actually it only means something if xatalos and moosy are in a team together. Otherwise that illogical defense of Moosy is without a purpose. So by voting xatalos you're also suspecting moosy to be his teammate ?


That's a good point actually. Because its teams of 2, scumteams will probably have to hard defend each other from lynches. Bussing is not a viable strat this game because both sides have KP.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 13 2015 21:07 GMT
#325
On October 14 2015 05:36 CopCake wrote:
EXCUSE ME I AM A SOULREADER

I look for motivations of why people post what, and sup looked forced, there's no reason for him to say "brb"

and lol if that's ENOUGH for you to vote me then you are mafia


What was forced about it? What is scummy about gobbledydook?

Why are GB, Slam, and TikTok town?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 13 2015 21:09 GMT
#327
On October 14 2015 06:05 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2015 05:30 deconduo wrote:
On October 14 2015 05:23 Rels wrote:
Actually it only means something if xatalos and moosy are in a team together. Otherwise that illogical defense of Moosy is without a purpose. So by voting xatalos you're also suspecting moosy to be his teammate ?


That's a good point actually. Because its teams of 2, scumteams will probably have to hard defend each other from lynches. Bussing is not a viable strat this game because both sides have KP.


Yea bussing is pretty unlikely in this setup, but not impossible.

While the janitor part is nice to keep around, this role is interesting.
Fanatic Groupie:
Once per game during the night phase, you may pm the host to Janitor: PlayerName. If the targeted player would die during that phase, they will flip neither alignment nor role; you will be sent that player's alignment and role. If Crossfire is alive when you die, you will remain in the game; you may not use your janitor power, you will not join Obs QT, you may not post in the Game Thread, and you may not post in Third Party QT. While you are dead and Crossfire is alive, during the day phase you MUST still vote in the Voting Thread; voting rules apply as normal. Whenever Crossfire dies, you will be removed from the game (whether or not you are currently alive).

I mean, if I was crossfire I might consider bussing my groupie to get towncred, while keeping a vote on my side.


Yeah actually, crossfire bussing groupie isn't bad especially if they are being scummy anyway. So if groupie flips, anyone who pushed them shouldn't get too much credit for it.

Actually that reminds that the mafia will be pushing people they think are 3P and vice versa. Hmm.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 13 2015 21:11 GMT
#329
On October 14 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:
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On October 14 2015 06:07 deconduo wrote:
On October 14 2015 05:36 CopCake wrote:
EXCUSE ME I AM A SOULREADER

I look for motivations of why people post what, and sup looked forced, there's no reason for him to say "brb"

and lol if that's ENOUGH for you to vote me then you are mafia


What was forced about it? What is scummy about gobbledydook?

Why are GB, Slam, and TikTok town?


I said GB is looking mafia with rels, he looked town before.

TIKTOK is so carefree so is slam, their intro tone is good.


Why does a carefree tone mean town? Is that a meta thing with them, or is that your own asusmption?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 13 2015 21:12 GMT
#330
Also why did you originally think GB was town, and what changed your mind on him exactly (if you can point to a post or posts?)
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 13 2015 21:42 GMT
#346
I wish copcake would stop disappearing without answering questions.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 13 2015 21:44 GMT
#347
Meh, I'm off for now. Maybe something interesting will happen overnight while the US is awake.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 14 2015 18:16 GMT
#567
Catching up now, doesn't look like much has happened.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 14 2015 18:35 GMT
#573
@Moosy, what do you mean exactly by the below?

On October 14 2015 21:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On October 14 2015 21:28 GlowingBear wrote:
Moosy can easily be with cake

I really really want to be. Also with you. We should totally make rayn give us a game where we're all scum again. This time I prmise not to double bus. maybe.~~


Cos it reads a bit like you want to be the same alignment as cake, but you know you're not.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 14 2015 19:33 GMT
#596
On October 15 2015 04:32 CopCake wrote:
SUPERBIA XATALOS GB RELS.

deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 14 2015 19:57 GMT
#605
Moosy is 100% the groupie.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 14 2015 19:57 GMT
#606
Ok not 100%. like 95%.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 14 2015 21:47 GMT
#639
On October 15 2015 05:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If you guys want to do work, I'm still up for shenanigans onto Superbia/gobble/decon.


The fact that you even suggest this in a majority lynch game ...
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 14 2015 22:10 GMT
#643
On October 15 2015 07:08 Superbia wrote:
Where is copcake? Who is around right now?


I'm sort of here.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 14 2015 22:20 GMT
#647
On October 15 2015 07:14 Superbia wrote:
I would like an answer to this question from everyone btw. Just real quick:

Is copcake scum?
Is moosy scum?
Why are you voting [copcake/moosy] over [moosy/copcake]?
What's your top 3 town?


At this point I believe there is no way both copcake and moosy are town. If they are, I don't want to play mafia for the next 20 years.


1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Moosy is groupie, so is essentially a wasted lynch. Better to lynch copcake.
4) Hmm, nothing much has changed on the town side since my first vote. Rels, Koshi ,superbia stay in the top 3 for now.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
October 14 2015 22:34 GMT
#668
On October 15 2015 07:29 Koshi wrote:
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On October 15 2015 07:20 deconduo wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:14 Superbia wrote:
I would like an answer to this question from everyone btw. Just real quick:

Is copcake scum?
Is moosy scum?
Why are you voting [copcake/moosy] over [moosy/copcake]?
What's your top 3 town?


At this point I believe there is no way both copcake and moosy are town. If they are, I don't want to play mafia for the next 20 years.


1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Moosy is groupie, so is essentially a wasted lynch. Better to lynch copcake.
4) Hmm, nothing much has changed on the town side since my first vote. Rels, Koshi ,superbia stay in the top 3 for now.

You are anti town.


Why? There is no good reason for us to want to lynch groupie at all this game.
deconduo
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October 14 2015 22:35 GMT
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On October 15 2015 07:34 Koshi wrote:
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On October 15 2015 07:34 deconduo wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:29 Koshi wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:20 deconduo wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:14 Superbia wrote:
I would like an answer to this question from everyone btw. Just real quick:

Is copcake scum?
Is moosy scum?
Why are you voting [copcake/moosy] over [moosy/copcake]?
What's your top 3 town?


At this point I believe there is no way both copcake and moosy are town. If they are, I don't want to play mafia for the next 20 years.


1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Moosy is groupie, so is essentially a wasted lynch. Better to lynch copcake.
4) Hmm, nothing much has changed on the town side since my first vote. Rels, Koshi ,superbia stay in the top 3 for now.

You are anti town.


Why? There is no good reason for us to want to lynch groupie at all this game.

It's ok. I know you are mafia. It's fine.


Either explain your reasoning, or don't bothering talking.
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