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Alright finished catching up.
I like Koshi being like "NO TRYHARD" but being one of the guy pushing discussion forward p: I think him and Xatalos are town.
I think TT is not-town. Something is bothering me about Superbia too, will read his filter to know what.
##Vote TicTock
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On October 13 2015 22:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 22:03 Xatalos wrote:
Hmmm.... Ok. What did you think about Sylencia's first posts btw? Talking to me ? No read. I was happy you asked 'cause I thought you said "Superbia" p: something is bothering me about him, don't really know what. What do you think of Superbia?
OK I read Sylancia's gigantic filter and I have no idea why you asked me about it. Nothing is alignement indicative IMO. What do you think of his first posts ?
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OK I know what bothered me about Superbia. This post:
On October 13 2015 20:21 Superbia wrote:
Also brb.
was made 12 hours after this post:
On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb.
So two times he quit the thread saying "brb", as he felt the need to warn us he was leaving. It is not-town indicative 'cause it indicates he is concerned about how he looks.
And I say "he was leaving" even if "brb" doesn't indicate per se an exit because that's what he did both times: after the first he posted this and left:
On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi.
After the second he posted nothing.
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On October 13 2015 22:22 Xatalos wrote:
Could you maybe link some of TicTock's openers as town/scum or something? It's hard to say about his meta for me. I'll grant you that your posts dropped my read on him from very slight town to possibly anti-town.
I will do it; but I don't think it's important how his openers are. The important thing is that he is always re evaluating the game and making thought out posts; so him saying "I might start making good posts this game" is nonsense.
This feeling is coming from the last game I played with him, season of the witch 2. Here are his 5 first posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 15 2015 12:37 Tictock wrote:
Hiya!
I'm town, not the martyr though.
Rayn probs town, his thing on the martyr makes sense. If martyr uses their ability mafia gets to know the role of who they were targeting whiles getting to know who was the martyr at the same time, so eliminated 2 roles.
I suppose not claiming is fine as long as you don't martyr though, not sure there's a downside there.
I'll be back after I finish raiding. On September 15 2015 14:20 Tictock wrote:Yea looking back over things it looks like the best course of action for martyr is to not claim and not sacrifice themselves. It does say in OP Show nested quote +Martyr: Each night you will learn who is being killed by the Witch Kill. You can then choose to save that person by sacrificing yourself for them. Your heroic death will be made obvious. If Witch Kill doesn't go through, or isn't attempted, you will learn nothing. Show nested quote +Just to be clear, the martyr save is only made obvious as to it being a martyr save. Whoever was targeted is not revealed. So while it seems like town will be notified that the NK was martyred (and thus know that it was martyr that died) it still gives mafia the role of the person who they were targeting. There might be situations late in the game where that is useful but generally I can see how protecting someone tends to benefit mafia more. I dont see what is gained from having the martyr claim though, seems unnecessary. Rayn why do you think they should claim even if they don't intend to protect someone? How does it benifit mafia if they don't? Where is the benefit to town? On September 15 2015 14:29 Tictock wrote:
As for the grail vote, I dont trust anyone enough to give it to just yet.
Leery of giving it to damdred already both because he seems to sorta want it and because he's suggesting he knows he can keep ahold of it for awhile. Slight scumlean.
Shining is cool for suggesting an alternate topic of discussion, townlean. On September 15 2015 14:31 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 14:22 geript wrote:
Read the scum role. They learn who the NK targeted not the martyr. It's a plammar special nerf to the martyr. Did I say something that made you think I didn't understand that? They would know the NK was martyr'd kus someone other than their target died thus the person who dies who wasn't their target, plus the stuff I quoted about how it would be "made obviuse" that it kill was martyred. Plus the necro role info. On September 15 2015 15:13 Tictock wrote:
Geript how sure are you on your read on LS?
Obv it's still early, I just wanna know how strongly you feel about it.
And does it seems like maybe rayn didn't have a reason to scumread LS then just agreed with your read?
Or maybe I just trying too hard with ~3 pages to read....
You asked earlier if TT really felt his posting was thoughtful. Look at this last post in the spoiler:
On September 15 2015 15:13 Tictock wrote:
Geript how sure are you on your read on LS?
Obv it's still early, I just wanna know how strongly you feel about it.
And does it seems like maybe rayn didn't have a reason to scumread LS then just agreed with your read?
Or maybe I just trying too hard with ~3 pages to read....
I know TT played as scum in Holy Guardians, and database says it's his only scum game. Here are his 5 first posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2015 06:01 Tictock wrote:
First? Yay On June 03 2015 06:02 Tictock wrote:
Greetings Town. Lets find that red menace and put an end to them once and for all! On June 03 2015 06:05 Tictock wrote:Whow, that premade message from Kistart already... I kinda agree with it though. I'm sorry, who are you? lol On June 03 2015 06:07 Tictock wrote:
@ SL
Man I half joined this game kus I was tired of tunneling you in every other game I've played in these forums..
Guess I just have to suck it up. On June 03 2015 06:10 Tictock wrote:
@ Kick
It has always been my policy to deal with inactives by reading their actual posts that much harder.
The idea is that if they are only willing to share a small amount of thoughts or thinking then we should take those posts even more literally/seriously.
Wow I didn't think it was important, but you might be right; it is another thing indicating TT is not town. His posting this game is a lot more similar to Holy Guardians than season of the witch 2.
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On October 13 2015 23:25 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 21:31 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 21:28 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 19:24 Tictock wrote:
Sad news Fellows...
After today I am out of potent smoke-ables.
This could even mean I give meaningful and thought out posts eventually this game. I don't like that post. TT always "eventually gives meaningful and thought out posts". People sometimes thinks he's scummy because his thoughts are hard to follow, and he's very prompt at making conspiracy theory, even if it involves putting doubt on near-confirmed townies; but he's always re evalutating and thinking about solving the game. Here TT is saying him making meaningful and thought out posts is rare; which is not true. This post by town!TT doesn't make sense, as it's not true he doesn't do meaningful posts. This post by not-town!TT makes sense, as it does a few things: - gives him an excuse his current "useless" behavious - promises to do more later - BIGGER THING: creates the premise that if he does "meaningful" posts, it will be a rare thing for him, and we should townread him for that. But that is just not true; TT as town always does meaningful posts It's a null read because so many people say things like that regardless of alignment though. I literally would've posted something to that nature if I didn't just read it 
What do you mean "things like this".
The problems here are:
- TT doesn't start tryharding like he did in season of the witch (he was town), but slacked off like he did in holy guardians (he was mafia)
- He implies that he doesn't usually make thoughtful posts, which is not true
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On October 13 2015 23:34 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 22:24 Rels wrote:OK I know what bothered me about Superbia. This post: On October 13 2015 20:21 Superbia wrote:
Also brb. was made 12 hours after this post: On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb. So two times he quit the thread saying "brb", as he felt the need to warn us he was leaving. It is not-town indicative 'cause it indicates he is concerned about how he looks. And I say "he was leaving" even if "brb" doesn't indicate per se an exit because that's what he did both times: after the first he posted this and left: On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. After the second he posted nothing. Does it mean anything though if he mentioned he was going to be mostly unavailable today pre-game? It's the primary reason why I haven't trusted the claims on Superbia yet because the primary point has been about the "brbs" and "can't play" comments.
It bothered me when I caught up though, but yeah this in particular doesn't mean anything. Him saying "brb" then almost one hour later "actually I can't play see you tomorrow" is bothering me a little though.
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On October 14 2015 01:27 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. Yep, i'm totally capable of having two opinions. Its really easy when they dont even really clash with each other. My townreads were shit, based on a post each and something like meta. They are my reads with stuff backing them that shouldn't convince anyone else so I'm not going to bother spelling it out.
This will be my answer to everything you said since I'm not replying to multiple quotes with phone.
The big point outside meta is that you're trying to lie low. "I might make some thoughtful posts later this game", " koshi s vote is shit but his vote target s reaction is also shit", "here are my shitty town reads" ... It looks like to take you don't want people to take you seriously, and that's not something a townie would do.
Now regarding meta. I don't know why you're surprised I said you tried hard DD as town; but I quoted your first few posts of season of the witch. Read them and try telling me again you never try D1.
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On October 14 2015 01:28 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town You are focusing alot on meta reads Rels... This worries me.
How ? Looking forward this explanation + the thing I skipped
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On October 14 2015 02:51 Alakaslam wrote:Rels is good but he is playing a vanilla game.
That's how you play the setup. D1 you want to lynch not town; starting D2 we can make the difference between mafia and 3p.
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On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote:
Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions.
NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread.
You're not reading the thread.
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Copcake a second thing you missed:
On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb. Why do you need to write this? On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. are you serious. I had to go back to check GB's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 You make things easier. ##vote: Koshi On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start Slam's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson
You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall I assume you are referring to ![[image loading]](http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/15/152870/2684749-1410539-thrall.jpg) In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... ![[image loading]](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRt_PoibxOyNa_BYVAoTAvv_OOeFS5OAMrKFDzN7RFcmP1Lt5bT) Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. Spoken with precision On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!
Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? TT's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning  I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. Explain your town reads.
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On October 14 2015 04:21 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 02:12 Rels wrote:On October 14 2015 01:27 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. Yep, i'm totally capable of having two opinions. Its really easy when they dont even really clash with each other. My townreads were shit, based on a post each and something like meta. They are my reads with stuff backing them that shouldn't convince anyone else so I'm not going to bother spelling it out. This will be my answer to everything you said since I'm not replying to multiple quotes with phone.
The big point outside meta is that you're trying to lie low. "I might make some thoughtful posts later this game", " koshi s vote is shit but his vote target s reaction is also shit", "here are my shitty town reads" ... It looks like to take you don't want people to take you seriously, and that's not something a townie would do.Now regarding meta. I don't know why you're surprised I said you tried hard DD as town; but I quoted your first few posts of season of the witch. Read them and try telling me again you never try D1. Eh, I see where you are getting that, but your just taking my posts too seriously. It's not even 24 hrs into the day yet for cryin out loud. Also if you gunna straight compare posts like that you miss a lot of context. Like this game started off really slow, so there wasn't much to talk about. SoW most of my posts are about setup talk. Guardians is like all filler crap kus I posted first and was somewhat spammy that day. As for the meta stuff, I just really don't like meta reads. I've seen them do wonders for people and lead people to ignore obvious signs of scum because of what they think meta proves. I also remember you relying on them a little bit too much in SoW... Regardless, it's just hard to discuss meta without really knowing people well. You can find quotes and posts a bunch of them that help support your point, but it's naive to build a full read based on that. Too much confirmation bias. Like you are right in that I don't really think my posts are not "meaningful or thoughtout", though I think there are people who would say that. But if I wanted to I can pull a few quotes that support the idea that I do think that.
Yes I would love quotes that support that idea. Cause that's not how I see your play
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On October 14 2015 04:57 Tictock wrote:So this caught my eye when I first read it. I held off commenting right away kus I know Rels often does opening post analysis, and wanted to see if he'd catch it too. Basically the idea is that scum are unsure how to open and will often spend extra time on their first posts and talk about multiple subjects. Xat's open practically screamed that to me. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote:Btw if you want to see the up-to-date votecount then it's here at all times: https://mafia-votecount.herokuapp.com/#495390-crossfire-mafiaI truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason. On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This felt a bit wrong to me. What I mean is the fact that Koshi was primarily concerned about his own life and while saying that town's position is bad (which should lead to the conclusion that it's time to play well), he concludes that he's going to lurk.. Which left me with the feeling that rather than having good lynches, he just wanted to avoid getting shot. The strongest motivation for that would be if he's anti-town. It's still possible that he's blue or something, but if that's the case, then it's pretty bad play to announce your survival instinct so clearly (making it less likely that you're a VT). Also Koshi: I don't agree that town is underpowered. The anti-towns can kill each other as well, and we have 2 (kind of) Medics in the game. Well, it is a bit random that way. That's 4 different topics, 3 if you combine anything related to Koshi. 1-Votecount link 2- VT Claims, No Claims 3- Quote and scumread on Koshi 4- Town not underpowered The quote in 3 was also brought up by Slam earlier, same bolding even, but maybe that's weak. This might hold even better given that it has been sometime since Xat played here + Show Spoiler + and could very well be concerned about his open if he rolled scum. Also his defense of Moosy felt a little off, as did his early town read + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 19:33 Xatalos wrote:
My gut feeling is that MoosyDoosy is town. If you ask me why? It's because he's taking it so easy while being accused. I think it's a bit more likely to become defensive or even over-react somehow if you're actually not town, rather than joke around. Especially since there are several anti-town factions, it's even more dangerous for you if votes get piled on you... . Especially given that he says this Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:54 Xatalos wrote:
Still, basically there's never a reason not to play as town. Only scum(/anti-town) benefits from a silent thread. And it even makes the game MORE random since there's less to work with. Moosy's filter defines silent btw, half of his page is pre-game. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 20:09 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote: Sylencia Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them. That's quite a bit of picking and choosing in how he applies this logic. So yea, this guy has been my top scumread for quite some time, and I'm fairly sure Xata flips non-town here.
##Vote: Xatalos
The first part is nothing indicative, unless applied to a newbie or someone you know.
Liking the part on applying different logic on different people though.
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Actually it only means something if xatalos and moosy are in a team together. Otherwise that illogical defense of Moosy is without a purpose. So by voting xatalos you're also suspecting moosy to be his teammate ?
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On October 14 2015 05:31 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 05:30 deconduo wrote:On October 14 2015 05:23 Rels wrote:
Actually it only means something if xatalos and moosy are in a team together. Otherwise that illogical defense of Moosy is without a purpose. So by voting xatalos you're also suspecting moosy to be his teammate ? That's a good point actually. Because its teams of 2, scumteams will probably have to hard defend each other from lynches. Bussing is not a viable strat this game because both sides have KP. Hm.. I guess that's a worthwhile point.
The point he's agreeing is that you could be scum with moosy
Why are you agreeing with him
I suppose you are agreeing with the fact there are two teams of two and teammates wouldn't bus ... I don't know this seems weird to me
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On October 14 2015 05:36 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 03:50 deconduo wrote:So I've decided to put in some effort into this game as there's not a massive amount to read yet. In order from towniest to scummiest: + Show Spoiler [Rels] +On October 13 2015 21:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 20:51 Rels wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall This post made me go like "WTF I know something is wrong". I need to check stuff. GB almost used the same opening last game: On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town It was actually his second post. So this might indicate he's not-town replicating something he did as town last game. After all, if he's called out on that, he can always says "I did that to fish for reactions!" Will see if he ever: - did the same opening two times in a row as town, or - did the same opening as mafia than the last time he was town OK GB actually uses this opening quite often; and I found three games in a row where he did it, two times as town, then as mafia, so this doesn't mean anything. Sources: + Show Spoiler +Hammertime mafia as town: On January 26 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia as town: On March 06 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm mafia! Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia as mafia: On April 07 2015 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, hai!
I'm town I like that he went to the effort of digging this up, and retracted his earlier read based on it. On October 13 2015 21:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:On October 13 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
Brb. Why do you need to write this? On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. are you serious. I had to go back to check GB's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall On October 13 2015 10:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 You make things easier. ##vote: Koshi On October 13 2015 10:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow what a boring start Slam's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 09:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Good afternoon. Koshi, sson
You gotta remember you even hate on your own balance work On October 13 2015 09:06 Alakaslam wrote:I found the perfect corny cheese video for what I expect to happen here http://youtu.be/87PIkktfxjI On October 13 2015 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm thrall I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. Spoken with precision On October 13 2015 11:34 Alakaslam wrote:
What a dead thread!
Guess I will go really read and reread Koshi's dramas On October 13 2015 11:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.
Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.
If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.
4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.
If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.
There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.
So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.
tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.
tldr2: Read tldr 1 This dude looks like a cop-out artist here Why What is the true motive for this post? TT's posts at the time: + Show Spoiler +On October 13 2015 10:56 Tictock wrote:I assume you are referring to In which case you used the correct color. But since you didn't capitalize you could also mean one of these... Or your telling us you are a slave or surf and have no social standing what-so-ever. In which case I can't be seen talking to you. On October 13 2015 11:17 Tictock wrote:So I was stupid today guys... I agreed to pickup an extra shift at work tomorrow morning I'll poke in once or twice more before bed, but i gotta try and get to sleep soon. Will have a decent chunk of time to sink in after i get done with that though. Explain your town reads. More good work here. On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. And more again. In fact I like most of Rels' filter. #1 Townie for me so far. Is active, complains about balance, pushes some early reads. Seems like town to me. Also love this: On October 14 2015 02:10 Koshi wrote:GB logic: Show nested quote +I am town and I fully comprehend the arguments brought against TT and I find them to be reasonable and believable, I could even follow them. However, I don't understand how 2 other people are voting for TT. Very suspicious by them. Because when they read the arguments that were fully reasonable and believable they should not have believed them and should not have pressured TT at all.
I think both Xatalos and Koshi are very suspicious for jumping on this TT wagon based on very reasonable and believable arguments. On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. On October 13 2015 20:19 Superbia wrote:
dun dun dunnnn.
Btw: I like koshi. I think I like slam. I still dislike moosy. Moosy did this whole "let's be friends" routine bullshit which I completely disliked. And he did it with 3 separate people. (Hint: he probably doesn't have a read on any of them) I'm a fan of these posts, as they mirror my own thinking. That's enough for me to lean town for now. On October 13 2015 14:40 Sylencia wrote:
The more haikus made
The more I want to kill you
JK, good gimmick
Also CopCake, how does that 1 line make Superbia anti-town? On October 13 2015 23:49 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 23:26 Xatalos wrote:
Or overall what's your take on the recent events / main reads? Reserving judgement based on recent events because I'm still processing it (read: I'm not trying very hard). Main read is CopCake anti-town because their reasoning baffles me (aka there is no reasoning) and I can't understand a train of process that goes: Suspect A: 1 word brb Suspect B: Crap haiku Suspect A gets the vote. Same as above, mirroring my own thoughts and suspicions. Town lean. On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote:
I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason.
This does drive me a little bit nuts as well. On October 13 2015 20:23 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 20:17 Koshi wrote:On October 13 2015 20:06 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 20:00 Koshi wrote:
Seriously Xatalos. The explanation is standing in the damn vote. Moosy did completely nothing. He could be town doing completely nothing. Or he could be mafia doing completely nothing.
Town sometimes adds some silly plan in their first post, or try to do something. Mafia doesn't have do to shit so sometimes they forget they actually need to pretend to be town in the start.
Moosy didn't do shit. Hence. He could be mafia. Still didn't do shit when I poked him to do shit. Passive as fuck. Defensive. ezgame.
I am reading this forum on TL Dota so I have no filters. But I am probably 100% right. I got the opposite picture? He didn't really do anything, but he seemed pretty relaxed despite your attack (not defensive / worried). And I think Mafia very rarely just "forget they need to pretend to look town". Rather, it's much more likely that Mafia do something at least resembling an okayish starter while townies often just explode. Everything you wrote here has nothing to do with the current situation. You even fucking contradict your read on Moosy and your expectation what a townie would do. Sure. Some mafia make an OK starting post. Those are the mafia that understand that to look townie you need to start doing some minor shit. The shit mafia or trash 3p don't do that. Moosy didn't do that HENCE he is mafia. QED Looking "Not worried" and "not defensive" is not alignment indicative at all. I gave him a reason to do something. Instead he continued to do nothing. Like literally nothing. Could Moosy be town that decided to do literally nothing? Sure. He could be. Do I care? No. Was he my best bet on mafia? Yes. Is he still my best bet of mafia? Maybe, depends if this Xatalos guy decides to play dumb. I don't think that "doing something" or "playing according to someone else's wishes" is what makes someone townie, especially in the first page of the game or so. What could he have been "doing" exactly? The game had just started. What really matters is the consistency and motivation of someone's posts. Let's see... As scum, he would have plenty of motivation to appease someone that just started accusing him, or misdirect the attention away, or something. He would likely show some sort of inconsistency when the situation suddenly changes. Instead, he continued doing whatever meaningless he was doing. He wasn't panicked about the situation, and his attitude was consistent. That's why I got the gut feeling he was town. I disagree with this, but I understand the thought process and feels towny to me. On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote:Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them. Again, I disagree with the read, but I like the fact that he's made it and is pushing something. Overall a bit of filler about the voteapp and other things, but is still making some interesting posts. Slight townlean. On October 13 2015 18:21 Onegu wrote:
With 3 blues and 4 mafia/3p I roll fucking VT.
Fuck this.
Onegu out.
Taking some pain meds and relaxing.
Back later to figure this game out. Another VT claim. Not much here, Null. Couldn't make much sense of his filter tbh. Null
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The haikus are fine, but very little substance tbh. I like the first one a bit, but that's all: On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? I'd want a bit more before making a proper read, but leaning towards the scum side of null atm. On October 14 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, no.
Just thought about something.
Koshi is back to null.
Don't ask me what it is. I don't see the point of posts like these. Either explain or don't say anything until you can explain. On October 14 2015 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 02:13 Koshi wrote:No seriously. He can get behind the wagon on TT except for the fact that there are already 2 people on the wagon, who actually most likely believed the same thing GB believed but didn't have the hesitance of somebody already being on the wagon. Then GB proceeds to call these 2 people suspicious. ![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/5aLrlDiJPMPFS/giphy.gif) I thought I saw 3 votes on him? I don't know who are voting him, I just thought his wagon being formed fast is suspicious. I've already said who I dislike at least until page 7. The others I've just skimmed. It was a bit of a weird reaction to a two man wagon. I dunno, overall still null. Didn't really like how he just ignored and sidestepped Koshi's fos/vote. Hasn't really done anything really yet, despite being active and posting. On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. Quality post  . Leaning scum. I agree with a lot of Rels' case, but I want to add this as well: On October 14 2015 01:22 Tictock wrote:
When do I ever actually tryhard D1? On October 14 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 23:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I kind of like how I'm doing nothing and yet I'm still alive. What did you expect mid day? I hope this doesn't mean you plan to skate by. As a counterpoint though, he has been reasonably active (without much filler). So that's a small town point at least. On October 13 2015 13:37 CopCake wrote:Why do you need to write this? Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 10:21 gobbledydook wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. It is the first page Courteous greeting for Koshi You think he is scum? Hello anti town people GB is town Alakasamboombam is town Dont stop make it pop tik tok is town. On October 13 2015 13:40 CopCake wrote:
Also Moosy naming me, idk how to take it.
##Superbia As Rels pointed out, it's a pretty big leap to make those town reads so early. AND claiming VT and voting based on a brb? Meh, to the bottom of the scumpile you go. Gonna vote for copcake based on the above. ##Vote: copcake EXCUSE ME I AM A SOULREADER I look for motivations of why people post what, and sup looked forced, there's no reason for him to say "brb" and lol if that's ENOUGH for you to vote me then you are mafia
Then how did you remark I suspected GB, then failed to remark I removed suspecion two posts later ?
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On October 14 2015 05:39 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 05:13 Rels wrote:On October 14 2015 04:21 Tictock wrote:On October 14 2015 02:12 Rels wrote:On October 14 2015 01:27 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Wow just when I'm done explaining how I don't like a TT's post, I read these: On October 13 2015 19:29 Tictock wrote:On October 13 2015 19:26 Xatalos wrote:On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy
Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die. Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die? I agree this was a shit vote. On October 13 2015 19:31 Tictock wrote:Kinda interesting though how Moosy responded to both points of pressure in pg1. On October 13 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote:
God dammit I can't contain my spamming. What a joke I am.
Last post.
Only quality posts from now on. I love you too. On October 13 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 13 2015 08:52 Superbia wrote:
I actually can't rly play atm. Be back later tomorrow probably. Don't like Moosy's reaction to Koshi. Ah~ Alas, 'tis a curse in TL where everyone seems to wish to lynch me. Such sadness i have never known before. Specially since he just stopped posting after that. Way to have two opinions at the same time. "Koshi's vote on Moosy was shit, but Moosy's reactions was shit". On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on
GB
Copcake
onegu Selling his opinions short. "hey I have reads but they don't matter!" I think TT is not-town. Yep, i'm totally capable of having two opinions. Its really easy when they dont even really clash with each other. My townreads were shit, based on a post each and something like meta. They are my reads with stuff backing them that shouldn't convince anyone else so I'm not going to bother spelling it out. This will be my answer to everything you said since I'm not replying to multiple quotes with phone.
The big point outside meta is that you're trying to lie low. "I might make some thoughtful posts later this game", " koshi s vote is shit but his vote target s reaction is also shit", "here are my shitty town reads" ... It looks like to take you don't want people to take you seriously, and that's not something a townie would do.Now regarding meta. I don't know why you're surprised I said you tried hard DD as town; but I quoted your first few posts of season of the witch. Read them and try telling me again you never try D1. Eh, I see where you are getting that, but your just taking my posts too seriously. It's not even 24 hrs into the day yet for cryin out loud. Also if you gunna straight compare posts like that you miss a lot of context. Like this game started off really slow, so there wasn't much to talk about. SoW most of my posts are about setup talk. Guardians is like all filler crap kus I posted first and was somewhat spammy that day. As for the meta stuff, I just really don't like meta reads. I've seen them do wonders for people and lead people to ignore obvious signs of scum because of what they think meta proves. I also remember you relying on them a little bit too much in SoW... Regardless, it's just hard to discuss meta without really knowing people well. You can find quotes and posts a bunch of them that help support your point, but it's naive to build a full read based on that. Too much confirmation bias. Like you are right in that I don't really think my posts are not "meaningful or thoughtout", though I think there are people who would say that. But if I wanted to I can pull a few quotes that support the idea that I do think that. Yes I would love quotes that support that idea. Cause that's not how I see your play Here some stuff where I make comments about my play like that, and pretty good evidence other people think that of me, lol. + Show Spoiler +On August 02 2015 15:51 Tictock wrote:
Looks like we might be starting soon!
Pre-Game excuse: I'm terrible On August 04 2015 14:14 Tictock wrote:
GG Everyone! No worries about lynching me D2, I got all that out in Obs QT ^.^
Besides, looking at the game objectively Moosy and myself were Wildcards that needed to be dealt with at some point.
Speaking of cards... My best reads were actually when I was doing my tarot stuff. But... besides that all my reads were pretty shit. I think I felt pressured to look like town so I started reading through stuff trying to find something which is never a good way to go. Regardless I think I need to rethink my approach.
These were after I got lynched that game On July 29 2015 07:10 ruXxar wrote:
Meh, he brought it on himself. On July 30 2015 04:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iam sorry for the lynch. not really though, TT was awful.
noobking is mafia.
mark my words. Different game, Personality, after I got mislynched in what turned out to be lylo. On September 05 2015 07:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Tictock.
Seriously.
Fuck you. Probably other stuff if I cared enough to dig through obs and shit But that's still missing the point that I was clearly making a joke here. Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:24 Tictock wrote:
Sad news Fellows...
After today I am out of potent smoke-ables.
This could even mean I give meaningful and thought out posts eventually this game. I mean I even phrased it like me giving meaningful posts was a bad thing...
I don't care if it was a joke, it clearly showed you felt your usual posting was not making thoughtful posts, which is not true. I admit you seem to have a low esteem of your play. You shouldnt.
I still think your early posts are suspicious because it seems like you don't want people to take you seriously. No explanation will change that. I liked your recent posts though, that what I was expecting from the beginning
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On October 14 2015 05:40 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote:
Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions.
NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread.
Btw I don't understand this part
This post was made a while ago. Why did you bring it only now ?
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