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On October 01 2015 02:10 Damdred wrote:
Here's why GB could be scum, lets tllak about it.
1) Is pretty focused on one or two things without having a true freedom of movement jumping around.
2) While its true GB has a scum read does not really push it instead telling Marv good point and leaving the thread without doing any work.
3)) never in our playing together has GB dropped a read on me like he did when RS told him I was town. Just weird progression on GB in general.
4) Pretty lackluster thread orescrnse and is happy not to be in the lime light unlike usual it feels. I disagree with your fourth point. GlowingBear has seemed largely present to me (well, when he's here anyway, which is often enough). And it does feel like he's very willing to get attention.
Maybe he's not quite as involved as he normally is as town, but he's on vacation. The way he posts feels exactly the same, even if the quantity/activity isn't quite there (it's close, though). I find it much more reasonable that he is town on vacation rather than mafia.
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On October 01 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:
hey truffle my question wasn't for kicks and giggles
what's the point of even asking me whether or not we could be scum together? -_- we'd both know that and rayn used it to completely get me off topic cause i have no self-control @.@ and need to find some I already answered this....
I still do not understand why we can't be mafia together at all. If you are saying that we can't be mafia together, and there is no reason for this claim, then I think that you are mafia.
In case you missed my previous post, I don't think that your explanation makes sense because your townread on me this game and last game (when we were both town) is about the same, and you reversed it to a scumread there. Your townread on me here isn't a completely hard townread like you claim it is, and you have room to change it. Plus you could not bus me here unless you wanted to do so before the wagon on you started, which wouldn't be a good play.
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On October 01 2015 02:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 02:13 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 02:10 Damdred wrote:
Here's why GB could be scum, lets tllak about it.
1) Is pretty focused on one or two things without having a true freedom of movement jumping around.
2) While its true GB has a scum read does not really push it instead telling Marv good point and leaving the thread without doing any work.
3)) never in our playing together has GB dropped a read on me like he did when RS told him I was town. Just weird progression on GB in general.
4) Pretty lackluster thread orescrnse and is happy not to be in the lime light unlike usual it feels. I disagree with your fourth point. GlowingBear has seemed largely present to me (well, when he's here anyway, which is often enough). And it does feel like he's very willing to get attention. Maybe he's not quite as involved as he normally is as town, but he's on vacation. The way he posts feels exactly the same, even if the quantity/activity isn't quite there (it's close, though). I find it much more reasonable that he is town on vacation rather than mafia. i don't agree? it's not that he's not here, it's that he's not fiery. do you disagree with that? Kind of, I think that his posts have been rather aggressive and he's been pushing things and has been involved. Maybe tone wise he hasn't been as fiery as normal, but this can also be attributed to not having time to make 1000 posts yelling at someone.
Am I correctly interpreting what you are saying? I'm not sure that I am...
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On October 01 2015 02:21 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 02:16 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:
hey truffle my question wasn't for kicks and giggles
what's the point of even asking me whether or not we could be scum together? -_- we'd both know that and rayn used it to completely get me off topic cause i have no self-control @.@ and need to find some I already answered this.... I still do not understand why we can't be mafia together at all. If you are saying that we can't be mafia together, and there is no reason for this claim, then I think that you are mafia. In case you missed my previous post, I don't think that your explanation makes sense because your townread on me this game and last game (when we were both town) is about the same, and you reversed it to a scumread there. Your townread on me here isn't a completely hard townread like you claim it is, and you have room to change it. Plus you could not bus me here unless you wanted to do so before the wagon on you started, which wouldn't be a good play. okay? you just said that you thought i couldn't reverse my read given my townread earlier, and now you're claiming i'm not hard townreading you? like i really don't get this, truffle. i'm not scum so by definition we can't be bussing each other. by definition. you are either scum and know that i'm not scum or you are town and know that we're not both scum like literally, to you, we can never be bussing each other either way, and i don't see why you're pursuing this if you're town? there is 100% reason that we're not mafia together and that's that i'm not mafia and either way you know we're not mafia together like wtf >< Oh, sorry, I see what you're saying.
You can't reverse your read on me here after you get votes on you. That would result in you being lynched. It would be extremely opportunistic.
If this wagon had never happened, then you could have reversed your read on me.
You said that Rels is mafia because he switched his vote from me (his scumread) to you, who can't be mafia with me (from Rels' perspective). That is why this is important.
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On October 01 2015 02:28 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 02:25 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 02:21 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 02:16 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote:
hey truffle my question wasn't for kicks and giggles
what's the point of even asking me whether or not we could be scum together? -_- we'd both know that and rayn used it to completely get me off topic cause i have no self-control @.@ and need to find some I already answered this.... I still do not understand why we can't be mafia together at all. If you are saying that we can't be mafia together, and there is no reason for this claim, then I think that you are mafia. In case you missed my previous post, I don't think that your explanation makes sense because your townread on me this game and last game (when we were both town) is about the same, and you reversed it to a scumread there. Your townread on me here isn't a completely hard townread like you claim it is, and you have room to change it. Plus you could not bus me here unless you wanted to do so before the wagon on you started, which wouldn't be a good play. okay? you just said that you thought i couldn't reverse my read given my townread earlier, and now you're claiming i'm not hard townreading you? like i really don't get this, truffle. i'm not scum so by definition we can't be bussing each other. by definition. you are either scum and know that i'm not scum or you are town and know that we're not both scum like literally, to you, we can never be bussing each other either way, and i don't see why you're pursuing this if you're town? there is 100% reason that we're not mafia together and that's that i'm not mafia and either way you know we're not mafia together like wtf >< Oh, sorry, I see what you're saying. You can't reverse your read on me here after you get votes on you. That would result in you being lynched. It would be extremely opportunistic. If this wagon had never happened, then you could have reversed your read on me. You said that Rels is mafia because he switched his vote from me (his scumread) to you, who can't be mafia with me (from Rels' perspective). That is why this is important. ooooohhh i was saying from his perspective? like he literally said when he voted we couldn't be scum together, so dropping his case on you to pursue me seemed pretty damn weird at the time Darn, I missed that.
Still though, for Rels to townread one of us because we can't possibly be scum together would be unflipped association, and that's bad. I think it makes sense for him to think that marvellosity's reasoning is stronger than his push on me, especially given that he liked my explanation for half of it. I don't think you should hold him to an unflipped association on Day 1?
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On October 01 2015 01:05 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 00:57 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 00:56 GlowingBear wrote:On October 01 2015 00:51 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 00:48 GlowingBear wrote:On October 01 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 00:41 GlowingBear wrote:On October 01 2015 00:37 rsoultin wrote:On September 30 2015 18:47 GlowingBear wrote:
I think I agree with you about rsoultin to be honest ??? then what is this gb? This is me agreeing with marv's argument on you? so you're tacitly supporting a lynch on me over your scumread cause why? Because it makes sense. I mean, you COULD be mafia after all. I'm not townreading you after what Marv brought. I still prefer truffle's lynch. I just can't argue more than I did anymore. And I'm getting used to be very wrong. I'm not going to sacrifice my trip to repeat the same arguments to people that won't listen to me no i can't his case still is just that i changed my read, which does not make someone mafia...he also didn't like that i called his push on me asinine but i explained that more than adequately so you don't care if truffle gets lynched or not? because you could be wrong? but you'd push marv when i flip town for trying to divert the lynch from truffle? that sounds like a pretty strong scumread to me...yet you're not yelling your bloody head off...because you could be wrong? and your solution is to push to lynch an associative read over something you're so uncertain of you won't push it hard yourself...even for you this is very nonsensical you know that damdred gets angry as town. why did you say he didn't? I know he gets mopy as town, the only exception he got angry was that game where he had serious IRL issues. So that's it. I'm not yelling my head off because I don't care. I want truffle dead because I think he is Mafia. I want Damdred dead because I think he is Mafia. Those are the two I want dead. NOBODY ELSE is willing to discuss them with me, so I don't care. Rayn is completely ignoring my posts, which is boring as hell. So yeah, I want truffle lynched but I won't put effort on it at all case on truffle please i don't know if you've been privy to damdred's other growls but i do know that i've told you how to read him before and you know that this isn't a scum tell at all for him. so why is he scum? Truffle is scum because he came try harding just to look good because his big load of questions didn't have any follow up nor it had any conclusions that led him into reads in this game. It's getting close to deadline and we don't know what his reads are. Damdred is scum for all his bait thing. He made it sound like he had a plan but he failed to explain what it was all about, and he failed to show us what reads he got from it, and yet we don't see Damdred actively trying to solve the game. He's just there, commenting stuff, barely existing. ONE question. I asked ONE question where I didn't have a specific read-based reason in mind.
Part of the reason I asked that question to Damdred was because he's cool and I wanted to talk to him.
Sicklucker, when I returned to the thread, I had not read it. I read the thread over the next four hours. As I came across posts of yours that were scummy, I noted them, and eventually posted in the thread. I'm really not sure what you don't understand.
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Cool, I'm sort of caught up. That took way too long.
Will read filters after lunch.
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Rsoultin, I'm trying to read your filter, but I think you might have posted enough to make that basically impossible at this time.
Why did you change your read on Rels from scum to town?
What do you think about sicklucker's early scumread of J Roc?
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Rsoultin, what was your opinion of GlowingBear early on?
(please don't just link your filter, I read your filter, I'm confused... I don't need a long explanation, just a short clarification is fine)
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On September 29 2015 10:46 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 08:22 J Roc wrote:
J Roc is here
Nowatimsayin
Rayn and SL hardcore bussing each other to start the game, both think it is funny to claim mafia when they are actually mafia.
Trfel why do you have a town read on Rayn? this post is so bad I dont even know where to begin. 1. My rayn read is still open but I said i think I know his thought process suggesting he is town. Im waiting to talk to him. SO i can not be bussing him if im not scum reading him. 2. rayn did not claim mafia he claimed he wanted to role mafia. Rsoultin, this is the post I was referring to.
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On October 01 2015 03:58 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, what was your opinion of GlowingBear early on?
(please don't just link your filter, I read your filter, I'm confused... I don't need a long explanation, just a short clarification is fine) i thought his reaction to you was odd and i thought his contradictory reads on me were odd but i also thought given how he responded when rayn called him town directly after that he was looking for a reaction to the inconsistencies, because he said he thought rayn was scum so i was like he could actually be town for that that's really the only townie thing i saw from him @.@ and his read progression explanation on me earlier confirms that wasn't what he was doing at all On September 29 2015 08:54 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 08:52 Trfel wrote:
So basically, I asked a question to Damdred. And Damdred answered.
Then GlowingBear was asking me why I asked the question to Damdred, and if I got anything from his answer.
Then GlowingBear talked about all the things he got from Damdred's answer.
Does this seem strange to anyone else? general strange or gb strange? the stranger thing for me was him not liking his acolyte :/ but stranger still was rayn apparently being fine with gb contradictions. then again, it's gb...nhye rayn doesn't go to the townpile yet at all Are you sure that GlowingBear saying "marry me" was a townread?
It feels like you're making a big deal out of GlowingBear being inconsistent with regards to his townread on you then telling me to push you. However, I'm not convinced that he did townread you early, and I don't think it's at all wrong or suspect to tell a scumread to push a townread, not that early in the game, anyway. Then even if you still feel that it's a contradiction, you partially dismiss it when talking about raynpelikoneet, effectively saying that contradictions like this don't necessarily mean much for GlowingBear.
Either way, that's something that I would consider "crazy GlowingBear-esque play", which you said was missing from his play when talking to Damdred. Do you disagree?
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On October 01 2015 04:02 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 03:56 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 10:46 sicklucker wrote:On September 29 2015 08:22 J Roc wrote:
J Roc is here
Nowatimsayin
Rayn and SL hardcore bussing each other to start the game, both think it is funny to claim mafia when they are actually mafia.
Trfel why do you have a town read on Rayn? this post is so bad I dont even know where to begin. 1. My rayn read is still open but I said i think I know his thought process suggesting he is town. Im waiting to talk to him. SO i can not be bussing him if im not scum reading him. 2. rayn did not claim mafia he claimed he wanted to role mafia. Rsoultin, this is the post I was referring to. uhhh it looks like a reading comprehension problem more than anything and looks fine in that the conclusions follow from what sl thought he read just fine? Hm, "that looks fine" seems strange given that this post seems to be the biggest reason for your early townread of sicklucker?
I admit I might be jumping to conclusions here, if I'm missing something please explain.
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On October 01 2015 04:12 The Shining wrote:
Mobile posting. Just got to work and it's a fucking shitfest. Our computer system and Internet is down so I've got a little under 3 hrs before eod to manually log in a bunch of packages on an ipad and catch up on this game on my phone, because no tablet wifi. I will be here but in limited quantities.
I'm not happy =/ I wouldn't suggest reading the thread, that might not be the best use of your time. Just focus on the key parts.
Basically marvellosity and raynpelikoneet are very convinced that rsoultin is mafia. Damdred thinks that rsoultin is town, and they've been looking for alternative lynches (I think they're currently looking at GlowingBear, or maybe coolTLname). CoolTLname has been posting very strangely, GlowingBear still thinks I'm mafia. I think that's about everything.
My perspective is that I'm not convinced that coolTLname is mafia, though I definitely need to read his filter, and I'm not looking forward to that. Marvellosity is very likely town, I think that GlowingBear is probably town, raynpelikoneet is probably town, but that's something I hope to look into again sometime. I sort of want to lynch rsoultin, but I'm not sure...
Then I have some thoughts on other people but I'm not sure that it's smart/possible for me to make a different push here.
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On October 01 2015 04:14 coolTLname wrote:Truffle , what do u think of this ? I don't think that it means anything. First, I don't think that the meta is correct, due to my experience playing with rsoultin and I actually did double check the games that you linked. Rsoultin is very talkative and conversational as town too. As for contributing very heavily, that's rather subjective, and something I definitely hope to look at. But I have to get through my read progression check first, or at least far enough through it to be satisfied....
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I'm just going to get this out there....
Does anyone else find it strange that Damdred got frustrated enough to say he was going to quit TL mafia, and then continued to play this game at a reasonable pace?
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On September 29 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 10:26 sicklucker wrote:On September 29 2015 10:14 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 10:12 sicklucker wrote:
i like how no one even trys to read me anymore. That means im doing my job you're not doing yourself any favors with posts like these who cares they dont make me mafia nothing you've done has made you town are you going to participate in the game or not? On September 29 2015 11:23 rsoultin wrote:
kinda don't want an sl lynch, either Can you explain how you got from the first post to the second?
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On September 29 2015 08:49 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 08:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 08:43 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 08:35 J Roc wrote:
Town read for trfel
Nowatimsayin No Stop STAHP GB, are you Mafia again? It's pretty obvious I'm town, to be honest. honestly, i'm inclined to agree but trfel is also probably town lol Oh yeah.....
This is part of the reason I was asking about the GlowingBear stuff.
I believe this is also of relevance to the current raynpelikoneet/rsoultin argument.
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I'm going to take a break.
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I fell asleep.....
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On October 01 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
Its curious because nobody is asking how many shots I have which led me to solidify my cc.
Oh well the first step is to explain what mafia motivation I have for basically giving myself up for a one shot tracker.
Explain that first Is it really smart for you to be talking about how many shots you have?
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