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In hindsight Damdred should have not claimed (obviously), but it would have been better even if scott was mafia. We could still have lynched another mafia, and regardless of scott's alignment him being alive on N1 it ensures Damdred gets a check. Mafia cannot roleblock him if scott is mafia, mafia will not roleblock him is scott is town. He will definitely not get strongarmed. I don't fault him for his decision, i would have probably done the same with the time left on the day phase, but it's just something that came to me a bit later.... I really really can't understand why people do not read and/or try to process what they read in certain situations. Nobody except for marv (and Rels but that's kinda irrelevant since he was mafia) understood my argument on J Roc (mainly looking at Damdred, Trfel and rsoultin here). I found out it very frustrating when i was saying "bananas are yellow", Damdred and Trfel come in and say "oranges are orange", and then rsoultin comes to say "Damdred is factually correct"................................... ugh. Please, try to understand the meaning behind the posts and thought process before you post. And this is not just for those people but to others aswell. That was just one of many examples. I understand the argument behind shining read (that marv just pointed out -- and Trfel on D2). My problem is, like i said when the game ended, the last couple of games i have been too busy lynching stupidity. It's very hard for me to not lynch people who say the following stuff: - first read in the game, "rayn is bussing sicklucker" [screw you motherfucker, I WAS EVEN RIGHT!!] - some guy doesn't read the thread at all and makes bullshit argument for 72 hours and in the meantime claims "lynch all liars" and "people who don't read the thread are mafia"..... - some dude reads like only the last post in thread and follows the thread sentiment, then does VCA and ends up in a conclusion "this is how people voted". when you tell them to read the thread, they fucking mock you and somehow you are the reason they are not reading the thread in the first place... super terrible. - "this dude counter-claims me in lylo, so i'll swap my read on him from mafia -> town" ?!?!?!?!?!?"?!"?!#¤#%(UDSJF.................... ....over let's say shining, who was at least being reasonable with his posts. I understand this kinda stuff often comes from a townie, but at the same time, even if it does the town is gonna lose the game if those players are alive at the end of the game 100% (especially against Rels who was really really active here). I know this is a "shitty" thing to say but nowadays i end up lynching people who will lose the game for the town regardless of their alignment more than mafia, because they distract me from finding mafia. That's why i don't want to play anymore with people i consider to be in that category. J Roc left scott in a really shitty position. For me there was nothing that could ever make me re-consired the read, regardless of what scott said. I am sorry for scott, but when i decide someone is mafia, there is no more "discussing", that phase is over, then i just try to lynch that player until something really extreme happens (like claim -- well that didn't really help here...  ).I liked the last day phase. The case/votes on GlowingBear basically solved the game (regardless of Rels/Moosy alignment). Rels you should have not claimed. I understand your reasoning but you have to think further. You didn't, obviously because you wanted to win the game there. That was a mistake because Shining was really really likely to be lynched anyways. Well played anyways. sicklucker apparently says townie stuff only when he is pointing out who his scumbuddies are.  Thank you for making my game easier on D3. Yeah, idk, it's nice to leave with a win but the game was still shit. Very shit. | ||
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On October 07 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I really don't understand how you didn't see it earlier, though it's easy for me to say since I knew her alignment :p she did a lot of things i considered more likely to come from mafia, i pointed all of them out. But idk.. i am bad at reading her anyways. I always think she is scum. | ||
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On October 07 2015 21:11 Rels wrote: Meh. He clearly unvoted to vote himself, so if the selfvote is not allowed, the unvote shouldn't count either. Of course it should. If someone is dumb enough to not see they are not allowed to vote for themselves, then it's their fault. Same as if someone is dumb enough to roleblock themselves in a delivered KP game then they are dumb enough to block their own KP. | ||
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On October 07 2015 21:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You just get stuck a lot on what you think people should be doing, which you usually reason from what you would do in their place. There's a variety of reasons for why people do the things they do and it seems that you don't really understand how she thinks. I know i don't understand that (well actually i do now after talking with her about it). But some of the things just looked very much more likely to come from scum than town, like the GB case on D1 -> which came when she was under pressure. And it looked like this: - glowingbear does stuff - rsoultin townreads him - glowingbear continues doing same stuff - rsoultin is scumread - suddenly rsoultin scumreads gb.... i found it out to be fishy as hell. | ||
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On October 07 2015 21:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I find that pretty understandable honestly. Things he posts later can result in having a different perspective on the things he's posted earlier. Plus it's very different reading someone's posts when you have sort of a townread on them over reading their filter when you saw something suspicious. I know. In my opinion she didn't explain this clearly enough though. I mean i also know it's mostly my fault because i was scumreading her already, but still.. | ||
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You actually had a chance after people didn't want to lynch Moosy. You should have claimed scum (not literally, but make people lynch you) and then kill Moosy. | ||
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On October 07 2015 21:36 MoosyDoosy wrote: I would appeal to emotion but for some reason, people don't believe it. Then it makes you better (in that regards) than the people who are believed. It really does. | ||
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On October 07 2015 21:38 NocturneMage wrote: nice. speaking of RNG though...taking a look at the opposite extreme... interestingly enough, I'm going through the mods' google doc....rsoultin the wanderer randomly visited marvellosity the same night mafia killed him. had that tracker lived and tracked rsoultin to marv...I'm pretty sure rsoultin would have been auto-lynched. that is some shitty RNG. I am pretty sure the tracker would have been either roleblocked or killed. | ||
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On October 07 2015 21:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Eh, usually when people go for that they were pushed too far. The line between playing to win as hard as possible and signing up just to have fun is one that's different for everyone. At some point, people break and they'll do so in a different way depending on their alignment. I don't think you can put the blame merely at those who crack. You may play to win, but the goal (in terms of why people sign up) is to have fun. Yeah but when people crack because of "you can't read me", that's just pathetic in my opinion. | ||
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Yes i am referring to her, LS, Damdred and GB. | ||
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yeah totally. i have never seen a player so disconnected from what actually has happened in the game before... | ||
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