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On October 01 2015 19:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Rayn, listen, if he comes to the thread and purposely hides my name you can conclude I'm Mafia with him. And I'm not. There is no reason he says what he says as Mafia unless it's to cover me.
Not true. LS says alot of shit that doesn't make any sense as mafia regardless of who his scumbuddies are.
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marv think it like this:
If you are town and behind the thread you skim it. That's what LS did (in case he is town - which makes him telling the truth). Now put yourself into LS' situation here and look at the posts. The normal things people do when they skim the thread are;
1) am i under attack? do i need to defend myself? (especially from LS' point of view) - well no, okay so good.
2) who do i think is mafia, are they being voted? - well LS doesn't really think anyone is mafia, let's say "fair enough" for shits and giggles
3) i don't think anyone is mafia, who are being voted for so i can try lynch scum? - does it look like he did this?
4) why are the people being voted for are voted for, so i can make a better judgement call? - don't even start....
Every single mafia player does that, as town, because they want to lynch mafia and not get lynched. Sometimes excluding step 1. Now does it look like to you that LS did any of the steps 2-4?
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On October 01 2015 19:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 19:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 01 2015 19:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Rayn, listen, if he comes to the thread and purposely hides my name you can conclude I'm Mafia with him. And I'm not. There is no reason he says what he says as Mafia unless it's to cover me.
Not true. LS says alot of shit that doesn't make any sense as mafia regardless of who his scumbuddies are. My question is: (1) does he said A LOT of shit that doesn't make sense in this game other than that? (2) doesn't he say shit that doesn't make sense as town too? I'm not saying he isn't Mafia, I'm saying you're over focused on a thing you can't safely rely on
I think you are focusing too much on "if LS flips mafia it does incriminate me", which it does not.
Read my latest post.
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On October 01 2015 19:19 GlowingBear wrote:
My question is: (1) does he said A LOT of shit that doesn't make sense in this game other than that?
(2) doesn't he say shit that doesn't make sense as town too?
1) i don't care. it's not my point.
2) yes but at least that "shit" has direction that can be explained from town perspective. For example from the last game:
people: we think LS is scum
LS: i am not scum geript visited me on N1 and i got a PM from Palmar that he is wandering wraith i am pope.
people: okay okay okay, what are your scumreads?
LS: i think Damdred is scum
people: [discussing if LS claim makes sense or not and what is the best course of action]
people: okay LS, who are your other scumreads besides Damdred?
LS: I think Damdred is mafai i am not mafia i am pope and i swear you will be sorry if you lynch me because i got a PM from Palmar and i did not even understand it at first and i am not mafia and Damdred is mafia for meta i know this you need to lynch Damdred and not me.
Like there is a fucking clear direction on how he approaches things without reading almost nothing in the thread...
Here, not so much....
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On October 01 2015 19:27 GlowingBear wrote:
You don't think cool TL is Mafia, Rayn?
I do, i also do think LS would bus in that situation.
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On October 01 2015 19:33 GlowingBear wrote:
I think rsoultin and cool TL name are Mafia
I have a lot of problems with Tina.
yeah. on the same page. add LS to that.
It would actually explain why he doesn't mention you, doesn't want to tie himself up on supporting your lynch in case rsoultin gets lynched while defending her (yes, i can totally see LS thinking like this as mafia).
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mmm like here is why this coolnamedude is scum;
1) says he wants to be lynched over scott -> tries to vote for scott
2) says i am mafia for things that do not make me mafia, calls me a liar -> either just straight out lying or didn't read the thread.. but -> says people who do not read the thread are mafia.. 
3) calls me/you mafia because we are "cluttering the thread for posting so much" -> says rsoultin is town because she has the biggest filter in the game (yes that is literally his only reason he has managed to ACTUALLY provide).
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On October 01 2015 19:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Rsoultin ALWAYS analyses the claims deeply. It came clear for me it was better to let scott survive because Mafia has a strong man. If he wasn't mafia, he was dead. Period. He didn't bring it to the thread. She quickly voted scott and tried to blackmail me into voting him ("I will scumread you if you don't change your vote")
I think that happened after the counter-claim, no?
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Oh yeah, on coolnamedude:
4) calls me out for "knowing Damdred will fakeclaim" -> when it's fucking obvious what Damdred meant when he was softing his counter-claim. Like really fucking obvious, at least if you have IQ more than... idk.. something.
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On October 01 2015 19:44 GlowingBear wrote:
I didn't see it if it happened. Why did she vote scott then?
because we voted for scott after Damdred cc'd.
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Scott claims tracker.
Damdred makes this set of posts:
On October 01 2015 06:49 Damdred wrote:
Everyone shut up and lynch scott
On October 01 2015 06:50 Damdred wrote:
I suck maybe I should,be lynched. No I don't believe Scott's claim at all
On October 01 2015 06:53 Damdred wrote:
I'm dead tonight anyway because how I framed things unless there's a medic because I'm not,thinking past my pain meds. Scott has to be dubbing here as I don't believe him.
On October 01 2015 06:55 Damdred wrote:
Well I'm dead with no mafia to show for,it just kill Scott tommorow
...it doesn't make much brain cells to figure out what this means.
Even if you are not as quick as i am you should probably figure it out ~10h after the deadline when you read the thread, especially if you are a sc2mafia player who has been solely focused on roles and claims.
mmm.. no, instead he calls me scum for figuring this shit out instantly..
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The underlined are, for people who cant figure that out, either a town trait for (1) coolnamedude or (2) how he plays the game.
Both go against his own definition of how town plays.
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On October 01 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote:
gonna be so annoyed if rsoultin is mafia xD
well she is.
after all that me/you stuff on her the push on gb is really fucking suspicious.
you should probably read my post about it.
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On October 01 2015 20:11 sicklucker wrote:
random thought but is it just me or is someone on pain meds/drugs everygame we play. Like I tottaly believe him but it just seems so common here lol. anyway random thought non game related. I mean i been on something like that too last game.
yes, or drunk. especially when me/gb play.
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On October 01 2015 20:35 rsoultin wrote:
i think some of the trouble is having people attacking me most of the day yesterday made it hard to get good reads and i've been thrown off a bit, but still...
this is jsut a straight out lie.
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Two things:
1) the thought process as a whole
2) the factthat if marv feels about something that strongly he is definitely town and also almost definitely right
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On October 01 2015 20:46 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 20:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Two things:
1) the thought process as a whole
2) the factthat if marv feels about something that strongly he is definitely town and also almost definitely right ^ these aren't reasons? like these are reasons to think marv is town and probably correct but they don't justify the way you've been pushing at me, do they? you've been acting like i'm lock scum when this isn't even your read, according to you
that's not what you asked though?
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I don't like the way you are twisting arguments all the time rsoultin.
If you ask me "why did you like marv's case on me" that != "why do you think i am mafia" or "those arent the reasons you are pushing me for".
Those things are entirely different things.
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Basically i don't think marv's case on you does make you 100% scum. But i do know that when marv is so confident in his argument he is 100% town, and when he is town AND that confident he is probably right, even if i do not see it. I hadn't read your posts properly before that, for the reasons you i have outlined earlier. When i saw the case i did go back and read your posts.
What stuck out to me was this (why i think you are scum - MY CASE, regardless of marv's);
1) your read change on marv doesn't make logically any sense (in fact this is realted to his case aswell).
When you started arguing about his case, i also scumread you for;
2) your arguments were terrible, and didn't address anything he said, you just yelled "omgus omgus".
When i presented my case (1), you could not reasonable explain yourself, in fact you didn't explain anything at all, which makes (3).
Later on you scumread (or "scumread" i don't even fucking know what the read is besides "itchy") me for "not interacting with me, when you have had ZERO interest in trying to interact with me, while i DO have a reason to not interact with you, as i have explained. The only point where you have interacted with me before that, was when you 100% incorrectly "figured out Damdred's post is factually correct". Bullshit. Then you whine about you not having a read on me when you don't even try to get a read on me how you, as per your own words, read me best; by interacting with me. That would be (4).
(5) your push on GlowingBear is scummy as explained before.
(6) you twist things into looking like something they are not, you are not being clear and you don't even try to be clear.
(7) you don't have any scumreads (until you are being lynched).
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On October 01 2015 21:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
lol rsoul, I abstained explaining this to coolTLname because I thought it was fairly obvious but if you can't see this, then there's a clear problem here. When rayn + marv started questioning you about your disconnect in reads on marv, I purposely talked about other stuff and stayed out of the thread because I was interested to see how you would react to the pressure. I picked up on it and was going to question you but marv barged into the thread so I decided to let him take over.
yeah like it was really easy to see what you were doing.
but please do not do it again, it's dumb.
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