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In spoiler 'cause it's long: marv's reads, the best I could do.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 03 2015 02:54 Rels wrote:Read marv's filter and here are the reads I got. I was super hard to understand his thoughts as he was super vague about them last night; so if you spot a mistake please correct it. Town: rayn, Damdred. Maybe town: LS. Maybe scum: Shining, coolTLname. Not definite reads: Maybe scum: rsoultin, Rels, Trfel, GB, sicklucker. All of these apart from rsoultin and sicklucker comes from this post: Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 06:32 marvellosity wrote:
the fact of the matter is, there are townies hard-defending mafia all over the place here and it makes it very hard to parse a lynch. of any sort. But we don't really know where he stand at night. He kinda rescinded his Trfel's scumread: Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 00:54 marvellosity wrote:On October 02 2015 00:35 Trfel wrote:On October 02 2015 00:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 02 2015 00:02 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote:
post 1 suggests that my entire play could come from mafia
post 2 Trfel backtracks and says it's referring to a tiny portion at the start?
it really makes no sense at all to me There was a specific part of your play where you said "I never do this as mafia". I'm saying that there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't, it would be easy to do. As for the rest of your play, you are capable of a high filter length as mafia. I see no reason why you couldn't produce an extremely high filter length in a really spammy game, if you really wanted to. If you're referring to thread involvement, I don't see you being involved to the point where you can't be mafia. the fact you're characterising my play by filter length is pretty scummy tbh. I don't think you want to know what I have to say about your play other than filter length..... You do realize that you are my top townread, right? i didn't. i guess i'm going mad. oh well. He kinda rescinded his rsoultin's scumread: Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote:
gonna be so annoyed if rsoultin is mafia xD He said nothing about GB. He said this about me: Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 18:27 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 14:22 Trfel wrote:
I don't know about Rels. Sometimes he seems reasonable, but I feel that he lacks thread presence. Which is strange because he actually has a fairly long filter. And some of his posts I remember thinking were very unreasonable. I need to figure out why I don't feel much thread presence from him, it may just be that he's being covered up by marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, and rsoultin, or there may be a more interesting reason.
i kinda feel this also, but don't really know if i should be making anything of it The sicklucker's maybe scumread comes from this: Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 07:00 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:
Scott, gb, and sl is possible here. i'd throw trfel in there So the only person missing is Moosy. Not much infos appart from the fact that he voted him early in the day.
So if we compare it to rayn's read at deadline:
WTF is this a 28 pages filter
On October 02 2015 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:My filter that contains the cases on who i think is scum; http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?user=raynpelikoneet&page=16starts from ~half of that page (N1). coolnamedude is mafia. rsoultin is mafia. LighntningStrike is mafia in that order of confidence. MoosyDoosy could be mafia if one of them magically happens to flip town. I literally do not believe there is any chance for anyone else in this game to be mafia.
The differences are:
- stronger thoughts overall
- marv's scumread on Shining
- rayn's scumread on LS
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On October 03 2015 16:18 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 16:15 Rels wrote:
lol
I agree that it's a bus and it's weird, actually that's why I switched off him last night. But I'm pretty sure he said several times now he wouldn't bother coming back, and if that's the case your argument is flawed
wait a minute I will quote some things No, my argument isn't flawed, he would have quit much, much, much, much earlier if he were mafia. He wouldn't have stuck through all of those arguments with raynpelikoneet. My argument is strong.
Last game I was mafia with Damdred and fidei. We bus Damdred D2, everybody was voting for him; he still showed up to make us fight for his lynch. That way, town felt we had accomplished something (mostly I, cause I pushed him hard), and I was townread by everybody. So I dont' think this "he's still showing up" argument is valid
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On October 03 2015 16:28 Trfel wrote:Hm, we are interpreting marvellosity's filter very differently. I'd place his rsoultin read at null at worst, for example, probably a slight town lean. Before the lynch, he said that coolTLname was 95% town. I don't remember him saying much to change that. But either way, it shows that he's willing to look past the inconsistencies in coolTLname's play, and he was also arguing that one of raynpelikoneet's main Day 1 points about why coolTLname is mafia wasn't alignment indicative. And furthermore, as raynpelikoneet demonstrated, there are so many more reasons that marvellosity would be night killed instead of raynpelikoneet that don't even include reads. Of course, raynpelikoneet assumed that the mafia team is smart  but a stupid mafia team would have several of the same reasons and some different reasons. If you really want to take the night kill and make a read based on it, I feel that reading coolTLname as town would be the most likely, but this is still a very flawed approach. Very, very flawed.
The cooTLname's read is from this:
On October 01 2015 19:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 19:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Marv, why do you think cool TL is town (if you believe it)? not really sure i believe it anymore i answered Rels why i said it at the time.
And the fact he was voting him before he thought him being the default lynch made him probably town.
I agree any of this is definitely not a proof of anything. But reading GB's post, it made me realize that marv was the only person in the game scumreading Shining, and that made me think.
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On October 03 2015 16:30 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 16:23 Rels wrote:On October 03 2015 16:18 Trfel wrote:On October 03 2015 16:15 Rels wrote:
lol
I agree that it's a bus and it's weird, actually that's why I switched off him last night. But I'm pretty sure he said several times now he wouldn't bother coming back, and if that's the case your argument is flawed
wait a minute I will quote some things No, my argument isn't flawed, he would have quit much, much, much, much earlier if he were mafia. He wouldn't have stuck through all of those arguments with raynpelikoneet. My argument is strong. Last game I was mafia with Damdred and fidei. We bus Damdred D2, everybody was voting for him; he still showed up to make us fight for his lynch. That way, town felt we had accomplished something (mostly I, cause I pushed him hard), and I was townread by everybody. So I dont' think this "he's still showing up" argument is valid That's Damdred. This is coolTLname, not Damdred. He's almost certainly quite frustrated with this game (do you really think he could go so far as to fake that?), and I don't see him adding to the thread WIFOM at all. He even voted for himself instead of voting for someone else. If he were mafia he would at least make random pushes on people for WIFOM reasons, at least that is what his scumbuddies would tell him to do if he was willing to keep playing despite being bussed.
He's voting for GB. And he tried to ninja vote scott at the last second D1.
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Off to reading Shining's filter. Still interested by your read on him and Moosy (=
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On October 03 2015 16:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 16:30 Trfel wrote:On October 03 2015 16:23 Rels wrote:On October 03 2015 16:18 Trfel wrote:On October 03 2015 16:15 Rels wrote:
lol
I agree that it's a bus and it's weird, actually that's why I switched off him last night. But I'm pretty sure he said several times now he wouldn't bother coming back, and if that's the case your argument is flawed
wait a minute I will quote some things No, my argument isn't flawed, he would have quit much, much, much, much earlier if he were mafia. He wouldn't have stuck through all of those arguments with raynpelikoneet. My argument is strong. Last game I was mafia with Damdred and fidei. We bus Damdred D2, everybody was voting for him; he still showed up to make us fight for his lynch. That way, town felt we had accomplished something (mostly I, cause I pushed him hard), and I was townread by everybody. So I dont' think this "he's still showing up" argument is valid That's Damdred. This is coolTLname, not Damdred. He's almost certainly quite frustrated with this game (do you really think he could go so far as to fake that?), and I don't see him adding to the thread WIFOM at all. He even voted for himself instead of voting for someone else. If he were mafia he would at least make random pushes on people for WIFOM reasons, at least that is what his scumbuddies would tell him to do if he was willing to keep playing despite being bussed. He's voting for GB. And he tried to ninja vote scott at the last second D1.
And I don't see why a mafia getting caught like that wouldn't be frustrated. This is NAI
I don't agree at all the situation right now is town indicative for him.
But I have doubts about the D1 vote. I find weird that he was being bussed D1.
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On October 03 2015 16:40 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 16:36 Rels wrote:On October 03 2015 16:30 Trfel wrote:On October 03 2015 16:23 Rels wrote:On October 03 2015 16:18 Trfel wrote:On October 03 2015 16:15 Rels wrote:
lol
I agree that it's a bus and it's weird, actually that's why I switched off him last night. But I'm pretty sure he said several times now he wouldn't bother coming back, and if that's the case your argument is flawed
wait a minute I will quote some things No, my argument isn't flawed, he would have quit much, much, much, much earlier if he were mafia. He wouldn't have stuck through all of those arguments with raynpelikoneet. My argument is strong. Last game I was mafia with Damdred and fidei. We bus Damdred D2, everybody was voting for him; he still showed up to make us fight for his lynch. That way, town felt we had accomplished something (mostly I, cause I pushed him hard), and I was townread by everybody. So I dont' think this "he's still showing up" argument is valid That's Damdred. This is coolTLname, not Damdred. He's almost certainly quite frustrated with this game (do you really think he could go so far as to fake that?), and I don't see him adding to the thread WIFOM at all. He even voted for himself instead of voting for someone else. If he were mafia he would at least make random pushes on people for WIFOM reasons, at least that is what his scumbuddies would tell him to do if he was willing to keep playing despite being bussed. He's voting for GB. And he tried to ninja vote scott at the last second D1. Only after attempting to vote for himself and then learning that self-votes are not allowed in this game..... Can I ask you to just trust me on this one? If I'm completely wrong, well 99% of the time coolTLname gets lynched here anyway. At least having a second push makes things more interesting and means that people might actually play the game. I could go through and explain why I think that coolTLname is town, and I think I'd probably be able to convince you, but then I don't think I'd be able to read through anyone else's filter. And I'd rather find mafia because that's the point of the game.
sure I'm all in favor of looking for other mafias. I don't like auto lynches, even when there are on mafias; town is always super slow to start scumhunting again
I won't vote someone else unless I'm sure he's scum though
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On October 03 2015 16:45 Trfel wrote:Not close XD Sorry lol
OK send me a shout when you are (= I want your pick on something
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OK Shining's filter at first glance seems OK. But:
1. he is focusing a lot of his posts on coolTLname, who is arleady voted by most of the town.
2. his recent townread on Moosy is weird:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote:
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Idk what to think about SL either but I do know as games go on, it becomes blatantly obvious whether he is scum or not. Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them. Starting with this post, Shinig started filter diving and questioning Moosy about stuff. His read on Moosy became more and more on the scum side, culminating in these posts EON1 / start of D2: On October 02 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1. And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town. On October 02 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 08:20 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 08:13 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 07:11 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 06:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 06:37 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:46 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote:
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Hrm this is true. And although I started being suspicious of cool pretty early over the Marv non-read, I was actually the last to vote him. I wasn't even really pushing cool, I was still questioning him before I caught his chainsaw RSo defense. Sigh I guess I'll respond to this too. It doesn't make a difference. Rels and GB's votes didn't do much to start the wagon . It was only after you and me voted for coolTL that the wagon actually started. On October 01 2015 06:00 KelsierSC wrote:Day 1 Recall List rsoultin (2): Trfel, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, , Rels, scott31337, GlowingBear (2): Damdred, coolTLname Trfel (2): GlowingBear, Rels, LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (5): Rels, GlowingBear, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, TheShining raynpelikoneet (0): coolTLname, MoosyDoosymarvellosity (0): Damdred, scott31337 (1): marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, sickluckerNot listing (1): rsoultin, Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting? Moosy pls Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts. Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why: On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##unvote
##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul. This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine: On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote:
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If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on. Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me. this went through my mind but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched? pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah >< i still think this isn't gb's town game all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way. Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here. Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case. ... ...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What?? This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning. Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad. But then he threw all this progression away just there: On October 03 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
did anyone notice he literally revokes everything he said and did in that post of his... Actually yeah wow this. Bah Moosy can be town, there's no way we keep having mind melds like this. And he didn't scumread him anymore in the rest of his posts.
3. his push is Trfel is very non commital, and we don't really know what his final read is:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 03 2015 05:05 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel which one of us do you believe is right? Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were. Questions about Trfel to rayn. On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote:
Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V? Question about Trfel to rsoultin. On October 03 2015 11:21 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 11:15 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote:
Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V? yeah, his push on ls was horrid and wasn't something he'd ever say as town, essentially I thought it was him snap voting geript at the start of the game for some bull about a self imposed 10 post limit per phase before weirdly backing off of it. The reason I'm asking is because although he claims it was a joke, he did go out of his way to put it into the voting thread and was looking for reactions. He's your top suspicion right now so I'm wondering if you see any similarities between that game and this one. Finally explaining why he is suspecting him. On October 03 2015 11:43 The Shining wrote:OK thank you. I was just revisiting that because I said I'd filter him a while ago and I'm finally getting around to it. That second post is a pretty interesting point but I'm not sure it makes him scum if he's the dolt you say he is lol. But the alternating between jokes and srs reads is shifty, I agree, although Rels also called him out for that and he addressed it here so I don't want to look too much into that. Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 11:37 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 17:42 Rels wrote:On September 29 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now..... But I can't decide if I should push or wait..... @Trfel is this a serious post if it is I find super weird the fact that most posts before and after this one are funny posts OK after I finish catching up I'll do a Trfel's filter dive to check if my feeling is right. But I definitely have the feeling there is a contradiction in tone progression in Trfel's posts, something like funny => one serious => funny => one serious => funny If you think that me alternating between being serious or funny is a sign that I am mafia, then I have no more words for you. To be honest, depending on how that's applied, it's probably the easiest way to read me. Since apparently I wasn't clear: I started out by voting rsoultin as a joke. Then I started being a bit suspicious of rsoultin, but not enough that I wanted to actually push it (at least until I reread things). Before I was able to reread things, rsoultin made some posts that were contrary to the assumptions I had made for some of my suspicions of her, and then I realized a few flaws in my suspicions. So I wasn't very suspicious of her any more). Clear enough? He also has posts where he talks himself in and out of points that he'd scum you for but then calls you scum after. There's also a lot of moments where he blatantly admits he wasn't reading the thread. I'm not sure if I think scumTrfel would put these things into the thread to be picked at if he was scum, unless he's just yoloing this game and trying new things. Then dropping it I think ? The last sentence indicated he now believes Trfel is town ? It is super unclear.
4. A few excuses to him not playing the game (even if the cops' situation is probably true =X):
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote:
Hi guys. I'm here, kinda. I have a ridiculous amount to catch up on so I prob won't be actively posting for a few hrs. I was at my college admissions office basically all day and I rarely get online Monday/Tuesday, anyway, so I apologize for not being around. On October 01 2015 04:12 The Shining wrote:
Mobile posting. Just got to work and it's a fucking shitfest. Our computer system and Internet is down so I've got a little under 3 hrs before eod to manually log in a bunch of packages on an ipad and catch up on this game on my phone, because no tablet wifi. I will be here but in limited quantities.
I'm not happy =/ On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote:
Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
So maybe Shining is scum. But that would mean he bused coolTLname D1, which is weird.
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On October 03 2015 17:08 Trfel wrote:
Rels, your "lurker reader" scumread of coolTLname as I understand it is flawed.
As for in the current game, town can often be present without posting. I do it sometimes as town, that's sort of what I've been doing for the past 24 hours ish. I can't possibly be the only person to do this as town. Palmar does a similar thing, except he openly admits to searching the entire thread for "Palmar" just to see if he's being discussed, and then posts that he did that. but the general principle of knowing that the thread exists and paying some attention but not really posting is there.
As for coolTLname having read previous games of mafia on TL Mafia, I guarantee you that this is false. First, people just... don't do that. If they did, they would at least sign up for the Obs QT. But they basically just don't. Scott31337 is probably the only player I know of who actually did this, and you can see what his play looks like, it's nothing like coolTLname's play here. Second, every post that you mentioned as indicating that coolTLname has more experience on TL Mafia than he claims has a very reasonable explanation. For example, when he says that being under suspicion by GlowingBear isn't really being under suspicion, note that he's been scumreading GlowingBear the entire game (of course he's not under suspicion of the person being suspicious of him is mafia...), and I believe that somewhere around the time he said this quote there was a small sort of push on GlowingBear. Or at least, suspicions were voiced in the thread.
I initially had the same reaction than you about that. But read these posts and tell me he doesn't mean he knows some of the people playing, especially the second one:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 03 2015 02:24 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 16:47 coolTLname wrote:
So i noticed mafia can hold their KP, this makes claiming Roleblock and framing someone possible, as well as fake vet claims. Anyway i propose anyone who claims a blue role to be lynched automatically, if there is no kill , better to leave it in the dark?
Can medics heal themselves? OK this question has to come from a newbie. The medic one. But coolTLname has slipped two times he knew the people playing: Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 05:57 coolTLname wrote:
being accused by you and GB is hardly being under suspicion Implying there are more experienced players in the game than GB and I. And that is the case: marv, rayn, rsoultin ... Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 04:04 coolTLname wrote:On October 02 2015 04:01 GlowingBear wrote:On October 02 2015 03:56 coolTLname wrote:On October 01 2015 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
... furthermore if he read the voting thread, he is jsut blantantly lying.
There was NEVER ever time when coolname/scott/rsoultin were "main lynch targets". this is just a lie, rayn isn't reading thread, im sure u all remember when rsoultin and trfel had 4 votes a piece. On October 01 2015 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i know LS is not the most logical guy, but he gets his stuff somewhere, everyone does. What he says doesn't make any sense. The conclusion definitely did not come from reading the voting thread, that is 100% obvious. If he had skimmed the thread he would know that (1) GB is actually one of the main lynch targets, (2) rsoultin is not, (3) coolTLname is being voted BECAUSE scott claimed. Somehow he conveniently misses those KEY things that lead to the situation we were at the time. I can't see this being possible unless you are like the most unfortunate person on the planet when you skim through the thread. i was not voted because scott claimed, he claimed at the last minute after i had already a lot of votes - 7. GB never had more votes than rsoultin, by the way. On October 01 2015 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:mmm like here is why this coolnamedude is scum; 1) says he wants to be lynched over scott -> tries to vote for scott 2) says i am mafia for things that do not make me mafia, calls me a liar -> either just straight out lying or didn't read the thread.. but -> says people who do not read the thread are mafia..  3) calls me/you mafia because we are "cluttering the thread for posting so much" -> says rsoultin is town because she has the biggest filter in the game (yes that is literally his only reason he has managed to ACTUALLY provide). My votes did not even count because i posted them too late, and i've posted much more reasons for why rsoultin is town, the biggest being that she did not vote up Trfel when the votes were tied, stating him as town and just accepting her own lynch. On October 01 2015 12:47 coolTLname wrote:On October 01 2015 12:42 Trfel wrote:
I could also probably lynch coolTLname for voting at End of Day and then not posting until 39 minutes later. And then saying that he wanted to get lynched after voting for survival. Like i said earlier, i was busy. To be elaborate i had a therapy session with my dad during the last hour of the game. I actually checked during the session and it seemed clear i would be lynched , until scott revealed at the last minute. I didn't really know what the votes or anything that was going on , but scott seemed suspicious enough to me so i tried to mobile vote him. Unfortunately i was lagging and i cant text for shit, which made my votes not even count, because i missed the deadline, btw. I've caught rayn not really knowing what happening in the thread multiple times now. Not reading the thread doesn't make him mafia Glowing bear u should know better of all people, why would u even say this ? It is quite ridiculous, we all know mafia does not read the thread. Why would a townie not read the thread? Implying he knows GB is known for not reading the thread, something even I, who is not a newbie anymore, was not aware of. So he knows who some of the players are. And he isn't a smurf, as confirmed by rsoultin and LS. So that means he is a lurker reader: someone who has read some games here, but doesn't post or play. That would explain how he knows things about GB, me, and the players more experiences than the both of us. So if he is a lurker reader, he should know than medic cannot heal themselves. This question is an attempt at appearing newbie so mistakes can be excused. coolTLname is mafia.
Of course he'll explain it afterwards. Every scum explains their slips afterwards. Doesn't mean we cannot analyze what they previously said.
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On October 03 2015 17:36 Trfel wrote:Okay, I'll go with LightningStrike being town. In other news, Rels seems to have died  And just when I was catching up, too.... Okay, filter time.
does that mean you are caught up ? (=
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OK Trfel. Please follow me.
I made this post about Moosy's suspicions of GB:
On October 02 2015 04:56 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thoughts on EoD:
The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa. I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here.
Then I realized:
On October 02 2015 05:12 Rels wrote:ACTUALLY Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 04:56 Rels wrote:On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thoughts on EoD:
The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa. I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID
Now I realize someone can think I am scumreading Moosy for not being here at EOD with this post. But I am not: I have never said that, and I have explained multiple times this didn't do anything for Moosy's alignement:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2015 05:26 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 05:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:12 Rels wrote:ACTUALLY On October 02 2015 04:56 Rels wrote:On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thoughts on EoD:
The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa. I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time. I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott On October 02 2015 05:34 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:31 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:26 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:12 Rels wrote:ACTUALLY On October 02 2015 04:56 Rels wrote:On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thoughts on EoD:
The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.
Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.
LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.
I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa. I agree with the bolded BUT I disagree it makes GB scum. I think he was the only one not on scott explaining why he would not switch. A mafia who wouldn't want to vote a blue claim that he knows is true would just shut up and pretend to not be here. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time. I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early? WTF you might want to reread what I wrote Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ? On October 02 2015 05:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 05:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:36 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:34 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:31 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:26 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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lol Rels. As I said, I have to go home around that time ALWAYS. If you read the thread, I already explained this to rsoultin. Look at my past games where I always leave for 1 hr around that time. I don't fucking care, it doesn't make you town or mafia. But that's what mafia GB would have done: he would have found an excuse, shut up, and let people lynch scott Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early? WTF you might want to reread what I wrote Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ? Yes, you're implying I shut up, not voted scott, and came back after the lynch. Which, as I explained, is just false. Then in your response you say: "Oh I wasn't referring to you I'm talking about how this makes GB scummy". When literally right before you were saying GB couldn't be scum. I never said this makes GB scummy. I also said you might want to reread what I wrote. So you might want to reread what I wrote Because I said the opposite hm...didn't see the "wouldn't". Either way, I already explained that I go home at around this time ALWAYS. You can look at previous games to verify this. It's not super important, my point is that your push on GB was stupid I will check it regardless, rayn just listed a mafia game of yours On October 02 2015 05:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 05:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:38 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:36 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:34 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:31 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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Why are you throwing stuff at GB? Your post was clearly directed at me and now you're trying to direct it at GB? Didn't you just say GB can't be scum because he went after coolTL too early? WTF you might want to reread what I wrote Then what did you mean by "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" I wrote "if he is mafia GB wouldn't do that. He would shut up, not vote scott, and come back after the lynch" Then I wrote "THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSY DID" Got it ? Yes, you're implying I shut up, not voted scott, and came back after the lynch. Which, as I explained, is just false. Then in your response you say: "Oh I wasn't referring to you I'm talking about how this makes GB scummy". When literally right before you were saying GB couldn't be scum. I never said this makes GB scummy. I also said you might want to reread what I wrote. So you might want to reread what I wrote Because I said the opposite hm...didn't see the "wouldn't". Either way, I already explained that I go home at around this time ALWAYS. You can look at previous games to verify this. It's not super important, my point is that your push on GB was stupid I will check it regardless, rayn just listed a mafia game of yours "It's not super important?" So you scum read me for it, then brush it aside once I explain it away? ok. yes it is not super important I explained what GB would have done if he was mafia: shut up and wait for deadline Then I realized you did exactly that, so I was excited But it doesn't mean anything since you could just be busy On October 03 2015 00:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it. lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So: A. he's not reading the thread clearly B. lack of focus on his scum reads I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not. you're lying I never said you not being here at EOD was scum indicative. I said GB being here at EOD and not switching was town indicative because he would have shut up at EOD; then remarked it was ironic since you did exactly that. I'm attacking you on two things: - your GB's EOD analysis is bullshit - you lied about being the first to vote and push coolTLname Now the problem I have with you as scum is that you would be busing coolTLname D1, which I don't think is likely. Hence why I'm not sure about you.
I am scumreading Moosy for other reasons, but it's unrelated to this.
Now Moosy made this post:
On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it. lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So:
A. he's not reading the thread clearlyB. lack of focus on his scum reads I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not.
I thought the bolded refered to me thinking him not being here at EOD was scum indicative.
- If that's the case, Moosy is clearly mis interpreting my scumread on him
- If that's not the case, I have no idea what he is talking about and this could be a lie
He said it was not the case, but didn't precise:
On October 03 2015 01:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it. lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So:
A. he's not reading the thread clearlyB. lack of focus on his scum reads I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not. What were you talking about then ? lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check.
Question 1 What do you think Moosy was talking about, if it's not the fact that I thought him not being here at deadline is scum indicative ?
Since then I've asked the questions to Moosy each time I saw him in the thread, and he never answered.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 03 2015 01:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it. lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So:
A. he's not reading the thread clearlyB. lack of focus on his scum reads I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not. What were you talking about then ? lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check. On October 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it. lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So:
A. he's not reading the thread clearlyB. lack of focus on his scum reads I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not. What were you talking about then ? On October 03 2015 01:04 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 01:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it. lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So:
A. he's not reading the thread clearlyB. lack of focus on his scum reads I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not. What were you talking about then ? lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check. Can you answer my request I think point A is pointing at me saying ACTUALLY MOOSY DID EXACTLY THAT Yes or no ? If no, what is it pointing at ? AFK for like one hour so I hope you'll have answered then On October 03 2015 02:14 Rels wrote:is one hour not enough to answer this ? Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 01:04 Rels wrote:On October 03 2015 01:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:On October 03 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it. lol I was saving this because this was my other line up. I actually think that Rels is highly possible to be Mafia here. One thing that I find very uncharacteristic of him in this game is that he is waaay too willing to sheep people. Normally when he grabs something he holds on tight to it and pushes all the way (similar to rayn but more tunneled). If you look at his previous games with me, Rels's initial scumread on me causes him to question me the whole game and I never rise above a null. Here he questions me, listens to my explanation, drops his line of questioning completely, and then leaves the thread. Same thing actually happened with rsoultin. Another thing I find disconcerting was how Rels was looking like he was trying to pin something on me earlier and tried to dig something up on me which was all literally stated in the pages before it and which I already explained. So:
A. he's not reading the thread clearlyB. lack of focus on his scum reads I haven't actually looked into his scum game so rayn should confirm these as traits or not. What were you talking about then ? lol point A speaks for itself. you can literally go back and check. Can you answer my request I think point A is pointing at me saying ACTUALLY MOOSY DID EXACTLY THAT Yes or no ? If no, what is it pointing at ? AFK for like one hour so I hope you'll have answered then On October 03 2015 03:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 03:19 Rels wrote:
Vote recap with colored flip
Day 1
scott31337 (7): Damdred, marvellosity, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, rsoultin, marvellosity, Rels, The Shining, sicklucker
coolTLname (4): Rels, GlowingBear, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, TheShining, LightningStrike, marvellosity
rsoultin (1): Trfel, raynpelikoneet, Rels,
GlowingBear (1): Damdred, coolTLname, rsoultin
Trfel (0): GlowingBear, Rels, LightningStrike, sicklucker
raynpelikoneet (0): coolTLname, MoosyDoosy, marvellosity
LightningStrike (0): raynpelikoneet, scott31337
So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue.
I think there is no way to know right now because:
- sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched
- but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train
So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips. No, we are both right. There is one Mafia probably on coolTL and the other on scott. On October 03 2015 03:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 03:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 03 2015 03:19 Rels wrote:
Vote recap with colored flip
Day 1
scott31337 (7): Damdred, marvellosity, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, rsoultin, marvellosity, Rels, The Shining, sicklucker
coolTLname (4): Rels, GlowingBear, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, TheShining, LightningStrike, marvellosity
rsoultin (1): Trfel, raynpelikoneet, Rels,
GlowingBear (1): Damdred, coolTLname, rsoultin
Trfel (0): GlowingBear, Rels, LightningStrike, sicklucker
raynpelikoneet (0): coolTLname, MoosyDoosy, marvellosity
LightningStrike (0): raynpelikoneet, scott31337
So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue.
I think there is no way to know right now because:
- sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched
- but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train
So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips. No, we are both right. There is one Mafia probably on coolTL and the other on scott. that would make sense Can you answer my request ?
Question 2 I think it's scum indicative. Do you ?
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On October 03 2015 17:58 Trfel wrote:
Rels, you seem to be more motivated than I am. Can you do a favor for me?
Can you look up some of The Shining's town and mafia games and find out how he addresses his scumreads? In his entire case on MoosyDoosy in one of his first few posts, he writes as if he's talking to MoosyDoosy alone. But he's not asking questions. Why should town be trying to convince their scumread that they are scum? I don't remember The Shining doing this before.....
On October 03 2015 18:02 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 17:58 Trfel wrote:
Rels, you seem to be more motivated than I am. Can you do a favor for me?
Can you look up some of The Shining's town and mafia games and find out how he addresses his scumreads? In his entire case on MoosyDoosy in one of his first few posts, he writes as if he's talking to MoosyDoosy alone. But he's not asking questions. Why should town be trying to convince their scumread that they are scum? I don't remember The Shining doing this before..... Ok, I did it myself (rushed through it, anyway). At a glance, this meta read seems accurate. I'll check more later, but I'm quite happy about this. Except now I almost wish I'd saved it for another time.... This is in agreement with the suspicious things I'm noticing in The Shining's filter.
This is a good idea. What exactly did you find ?
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On October 03 2015 18:24 Trfel wrote:
Rels, I'm sorry, I honestly have no clue. I don't think it's good to go through all of MoosyDoosy's filter and try to piece together what he was trying to say, that should be his job. Plus if he is mafia and this would catch him, you might find a more reasonable explanation than what he actually did. Why don't we just wait for him to explain what he was saying when he gets back?
As for if it's mafia indicative, I don't feel like he would reach for a scumread when there's no incentive for doing so and it can be clearly shown that he's wrong. Though honestly I had some trouble following your post, I've been reading this game very quickly and not to the level of detail that I would have hoped for. I'll check it again when I finish with this The Shining thing, I'm pretty excited about that honestly.
No the biggest scum indicator is that I did wait for him to answer. That's two times he is in the thread, I ask him to precise, and he doesn't do it.
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On October 03 2015 18:37 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 18:28 Rels wrote:On October 03 2015 18:24 Trfel wrote:
Rels, I'm sorry, I honestly have no clue. I don't think it's good to go through all of MoosyDoosy's filter and try to piece together what he was trying to say, that should be his job. Plus if he is mafia and this would catch him, you might find a more reasonable explanation than what he actually did. Why don't we just wait for him to explain what he was saying when he gets back?
As for if it's mafia indicative, I don't feel like he would reach for a scumread when there's no incentive for doing so and it can be clearly shown that he's wrong. Though honestly I had some trouble following your post, I've been reading this game very quickly and not to the level of detail that I would have hoped for. I'll check it again when I finish with this The Shining thing, I'm pretty excited about that honestly. No the biggest scum indicator is that I did wait for him to answer. That's two times he is in the thread, I ask him to precise, and he doesn't do it. I'm sorry, it's 5:30 AM and MoosyDoosy's arrogance makes it very hard for me to read him He's just always so freaking confident beyond logic, and I try to be as realistic as I can, the clash is quite hard for me... My first thought is that his arrogance could lead him to just ignore you, especially if he was scumreading you at the time which I believe he was? I'll try to take another look at it tomorrow, especially if you remind me, but I might not even have time to finish looking at The Shining
He's not ignoring me since the last time that he was in the thread, he answered a post of mine.
On October 03 2015 03:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 03:19 Rels wrote:
Vote recap with colored flip
Day 1
scott31337 (7): Damdred, marvellosity, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, rsoultin, marvellosity, Rels, The Shining, sicklucker
coolTLname (4): Rels, GlowingBear, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, TheShining, LightningStrike, marvellosity
rsoultin (1): Trfel, raynpelikoneet, Rels,
GlowingBear (1): Damdred, coolTLname, rsoultin
Trfel (0): GlowingBear, Rels, LightningStrike, sicklucker
raynpelikoneet (0): coolTLname, MoosyDoosy, marvellosity
LightningStrike (0): raynpelikoneet, scott31337
So. There is Moosy's theory that mafia would let scott be lynched. And there is sicklucker's theory that mafia would jump on scott to kill a blue.
I think there is no way to know right now because:
- sicklucker is right; mafia would like scott, that they are pretty sure are blue, to be lynched
- but Moosy is also right; once scott is the lynch, there is no need to switch to him anymore. Better shut up, stay on another person, and don't be on the blue train
So this vote recap is pretty useless right now; however it will be a great help later in the game, with one or two mafias flips. No, we are both right. There is one Mafia probably on coolTL and the other on scott.
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On October 03 2015 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
rsoultin get another "glowingber point" for her Rels read.
=D
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On October 03 2015 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
glowingbear point = "i wasn't interested in that when it happened but now, 2 days later, i suddenly am"
Oh
I thought that referred to the Trfel saying Shining comparing your read of GB and LS
This is way less funny sorry
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What I found scummy is there:
On October 03 2015 17:37 Rels wrote:OK Shining's filter at first glance seems OK. But: 1. he is focusing a lot of his posts on coolTLname, who is arleady voted by most of the town. 2. his recent townread on Moosy is weird: + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote:
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Idk what to think about SL either but I do know as games go on, it becomes blatantly obvious whether he is scum or not. Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them. Starting with this post, Shinig started filter diving and questioning Moosy about stuff. His read on Moosy became more and more on the scum side, culminating in these posts EON1 / start of D2: On October 02 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1. And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town. On October 02 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 08:20 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 08:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 08:13 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 07:11 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 06:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 06:37 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:46 The Shining wrote:On October 02 2015 05:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:On October 02 2015 05:29 The Shining wrote:
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Hrm this is true. And although I started being suspicious of cool pretty early over the Marv non-read, I was actually the last to vote him. I wasn't even really pushing cool, I was still questioning him before I caught his chainsaw RSo defense. Sigh I guess I'll respond to this too. It doesn't make a difference. Rels and GB's votes didn't do much to start the wagon . It was only after you and me voted for coolTL that the wagon actually started. On October 01 2015 06:00 KelsierSC wrote:Day 1 Recall List rsoultin (2): Trfel, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, , Rels, scott31337, GlowingBear (2): Damdred, coolTLname Trfel (2): GlowingBear, Rels, LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (5): Rels, GlowingBear, MoosyDoosy, scott31337, TheShining raynpelikoneet (0): coolTLname, MoosyDoosymarvellosity (0): Damdred, scott31337 (1): marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, raynpelikoneet, sickluckerNot listing (1): rsoultin, Tonight, I will be banning coolTLname permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. But I was the last vote on that train...you were 3rd...neither of us started that train...why are you lying/misrepresenting? Moosy pls Okay so I made a mistake to not see people were voting for coolTL other than me. I was just super excited that we both drew the exact same conclusion at the exact same time which is why I gave us all the credit. Either way, the coolTL wagon only became a real thing when we voted for coolTL and said he had TMI to make scott move over and make even rayn unvote to have doubts. Yeaaaaa...I kind of thought the same but with the sequence of events and the other votes on cool, it felt like a pocket attempt while subscribing to my train of thought. Here's why: On October 01 2015 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##unvote
##vote coolTLname
This is scum with TMI about rsoul. This post came 2 minutes after this post of mine: On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote:On October 01 2015 05:06 coolTLname wrote:On October 01 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote:
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If I'm understanding this right, marv is pushing your townread super hard for lynch. How is his alignment not relevant?
Why would you say you're going to do something and then not do it? And then do the same thing with rso past games instead? I don't understand this how is saying he is mafia or town going to change his vote? i have better things to do such as defend rsoultin directly or accuse the glowing bear/ rayn and possibly sicklucker one of whom have 3 votes on. Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum.Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me. this went through my mind but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched? pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah >< i still think this isn't gb's town game all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way. Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here. Just enough time to read this post and make your short post after my prompting because I was already on the track to thinking cool had TMI. That was also your first post in 2 hours but you don't mention anything else and just latch onto the coolTLname TMI case. ... ...? because I was busy and literally thought of coolTLname, logged in, voted him, thought of reasoning, quoted it onto rayn's post then left Wait so you voted him to get on the wagon and THEN thought of reasoning for it? What?? This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning. Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad. But then he threw all this progression away just there: On October 03 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
did anyone notice he literally revokes everything he said and did in that post of his... Actually yeah wow this. Bah Moosy can be town, there's no way we keep having mind melds like this. And he didn't scumread him anymore in the rest of his posts. 3. his push is Trfel is very non commital, and we don't really know what his final read is: + Show Spoiler +On October 03 2015 05:05 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel which one of us do you believe is right? Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were. Questions about Trfel to rayn. On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote:
Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V? Question about Trfel to rsoultin. On October 03 2015 11:21 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 11:15 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote:
Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V? yeah, his push on ls was horrid and wasn't something he'd ever say as town, essentially I thought it was him snap voting geript at the start of the game for some bull about a self imposed 10 post limit per phase before weirdly backing off of it. The reason I'm asking is because although he claims it was a joke, he did go out of his way to put it into the voting thread and was looking for reactions. He's your top suspicion right now so I'm wondering if you see any similarities between that game and this one. Finally explaining why he is suspecting him. On October 03 2015 11:43 The Shining wrote:OK thank you. I was just revisiting that because I said I'd filter him a while ago and I'm finally getting around to it. That second post is a pretty interesting point but I'm not sure it makes him scum if he's the dolt you say he is lol. But the alternating between jokes and srs reads is shifty, I agree, although Rels also called him out for that and he addressed it here so I don't want to look too much into that. Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 11:37 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 17:42 Rels wrote:On September 29 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now..... But I can't decide if I should push or wait..... @Trfel is this a serious post if it is I find super weird the fact that most posts before and after this one are funny posts OK after I finish catching up I'll do a Trfel's filter dive to check if my feeling is right. But I definitely have the feeling there is a contradiction in tone progression in Trfel's posts, something like funny => one serious => funny => one serious => funny If you think that me alternating between being serious or funny is a sign that I am mafia, then I have no more words for you. To be honest, depending on how that's applied, it's probably the easiest way to read me. Since apparently I wasn't clear: I started out by voting rsoultin as a joke. Then I started being a bit suspicious of rsoultin, but not enough that I wanted to actually push it (at least until I reread things). Before I was able to reread things, rsoultin made some posts that were contrary to the assumptions I had made for some of my suspicions of her, and then I realized a few flaws in my suspicions. So I wasn't very suspicious of her any more). Clear enough? He also has posts where he talks himself in and out of points that he'd scum you for but then calls you scum after. There's also a lot of moments where he blatantly admits he wasn't reading the thread. I'm not sure if I think scumTrfel would put these things into the thread to be picked at if he was scum, unless he's just yoloing this game and trying new things. Then dropping it I think ? The last sentence indicated he now believes Trfel is town ? It is super unclear. 4. A few excuses to him not playing the game (even if the cops' situation is probably true =X): + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote:
Hi guys. I'm here, kinda. I have a ridiculous amount to catch up on so I prob won't be actively posting for a few hrs. I was at my college admissions office basically all day and I rarely get online Monday/Tuesday, anyway, so I apologize for not being around. On October 01 2015 04:12 The Shining wrote:
Mobile posting. Just got to work and it's a fucking shitfest. Our computer system and Internet is down so I've got a little under 3 hrs before eod to manually log in a bunch of packages on an ipad and catch up on this game on my phone, because no tablet wifi. I will be here but in limited quantities.
I'm not happy =/ On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote:
Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V? So maybe Shining is scum. But that would mean he bused coolTLname D1, which is weird.
The GB and LS things didn't mark me. I suppose you will fact check and make a proper case later ?
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On October 03 2015 18:47 Trfel wrote:
Seems to be reaching for reasons to scumread coolTLname, doesn't seem to join the wagon naturally
how is this scum indicative ?
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