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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 18:11 GMT
#4574
On October 06 2015 03:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
no. lynch me so we can all bask in Rels stupidity.


You just said you don't believe his claim...
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 18:13 GMT
#4577
On October 06 2015 03:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2015 03:11 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 06 2015 03:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
no. lynch me so we can all bask in Rels stupidity.


You just said you don't believe his claim...

Rels is town, probably has a role, and is incredibly dumb.


Why did you say you don't believe his claim, then?
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 18:18 GMT
#4579
On October 06 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2015 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 06 2015 02:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Rayn, why is truffle dead?

scum shot him.


Oh I see! Duh haha

No really, what is your idea of why truffle got shot?


I want everybody answering this, especially rayn
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 18:21 GMT
#4584
On October 06 2015 03:13 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2015 03:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 06 2015 03:11 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 06 2015 03:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
no. lynch me so we can all bask in Rels stupidity.


You just said you don't believe his claim...

Rels is town, probably has a role, and is incredibly dumb.


Why did you say you don't believe his claim, then?


Answer this?
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 18:27 GMT
#4588
On October 06 2015 03:25 sicklucker wrote:
gb moosy has always posted as if he believes rels is town. your misinformed here probably thinking of rels.


No, he clearly said first that he didn't believe. And he is clearly avoiding answering that question.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 18:31 GMT
#4591
[image loading]
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 18:36 GMT
#4596
On October 06 2015 03:34 sicklucker wrote:
GB HES CALLING RELS A STUPID TOWN FOR THINKING HES MAFIA. he never once calls rels mafia. he only suggests its possible


I know, I'm saying that he said he doesn't believe Rels' claim?
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 18:38 GMT
#4600
On October 06 2015 03:37 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2015 03:36 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 06 2015 03:34 sicklucker wrote:
GB HES CALLING RELS A STUPID TOWN FOR THINKING HES MAFIA. he never once calls rels mafia. he only suggests its possible


I know, I'm saying that he said he doesn't believe Rels' claim?


he never once said that. he believes it. AND THATS THE WEIRD PART


I just posted a fucking image of him saying "no".

It's not the weirdest part. The weirdest part would be believing Rels is town while NOT believing his claim
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 20:42 GMT
#4607
Ok I'm voting Rayn
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 21:27 GMT
#4611
On October 06 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2015 05:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting Rayn

Why you voting him?


Oh so you ARE here.

Nightkills point out to Rayn being scum

Rayn admittedly said Marv could read him well
Marv is dead

Truffle was the only one with the guts to cast suspicions on Rayn
Truffle is dead

Rayn is alive
Others are dead
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 21:37 GMT
#4612
On October 06 2015 06:17 Rels wrote:
LOL at all the people even entertaining the idea that Moosy's claim is true. Less lol at rsoultin and sicklucker doing it. Why doesn't one of you become townie already )=

I'll copy what I said earlier:

1. Moosy claimed he didn't read GB's rescinding his claim; that is extremely unlikely
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2015 00:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 06 2015 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he said his claim is not real on N1...

Well, I didn't read his claim until it was too late.

This is a straight lie. GB rescinded his claim on N1 5h30 before deadline:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:18 sicklucker wrote:
Guys gb is are roleblocker


I'm not, I was just upset and made that up

Moosy posted in the thread only 2 MINUTES later, ironically replying to GB he's not reading the thread:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 01:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:03 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 02 2015 00:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 00:37 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 01 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Thoughts on EoD:
The three people who come off looking worse: Rels/LightningStrike/GlowingBear.

Rels looks super scummy from EoD. The last we same of him, he dropped his scum read on rsoul before leaving. When he came around during EoD all he did was lurk and sheep different things that people were throwing out, noticeably rayn. While this behavior is scummy in and of itself, Rels also normally pursues his target with a stubborn single mindedness so this is very uncharacteristic of him.

LightningStrike needs to do stuff. He’s too inactive and he hasn’t been giving anything original.

I want to lynch GlowingBear after coolTLname. The reaction to Damdred’s CC should be to vote scott as everyone else did which makes GB’s continuous pushes against coolTLname really strange. Then there’s the interesting fact that coolTL made that really weird post about GlowingBear busing which he tried to rectify to “accusing”. I might be drawing too many conclusions, but it’s a solid bet GB is busing coolTLname and vice versa.


That's one of the most stupid conclusion ANYONE can get to. NOBODY busses a team mate when there is a counter claim in the thread. Mafia will take the chance to lynch the blue 100% of the times and you should KNOW I think of it this way because I was against your bus on cake last game we played together.

The fact that you're fitting this scum team to your agenda instead of thinking about facts reasonably makes me see you more scummy than ever.

i mean, the situations are completely different since in our game there was no alternative blue lynch and coolTLname is pretty much dead fish in the water. makes no sense to not bus tbh. you buy townie credit by pushing on coolTLname as well.


You're saying that I prefered to lynch my team mate instead of going against the counter claimed blue that I KNOW is blue because I, as Mafia, have perfect information. You're saying that I'd rather get town cred for lynching my scum mate when I don't need town cred to survive instead of lynching the blue without compromising myself by doing it.

This makes no sense at all.

Also, you came back just to say 3 people looked worse, one of them being the guy under suspicion by me and Rayn (LS). So I'm double bussing here when I agree that LS could be scum?

Also, you threw 3 suspicions but you simply assume cool TL is Mafia without arguing he should be the lynch. These will sum up to 4 Mafia, and the one you are pretty sure is Mafia (because you are pretty sure
I'm BUSSING) is someone you didn't talk about lately.

Also, if I am bussing, don't you agree you should be lynching Cool TL to prove your theory? Wouldn't this be a win/win situation?

Someone isn't reading the thread.

He then continued to talk to GB, and actually replied to something GB said 20 MINUTES after the claim rescind:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2015 02:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 02 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB, whether you realize it or not, I was the first man to vote for coolTL and push for his lynch alongside The Shining. Second of all, I already said that we were lynching coolTL when I came back after EoD. Literally in the post you said was "dumb" I also said the order of lynch was coolTL/GB/Rels/LS. Are you sure you're reading..?


Ok, maybe I was angry and focused on the wrong thing, but you do see the problem in your thought process?

Ive bolded what I thought was stupid, not the whole post

No, I don't really see what's wrong. You could have just killed scott during Night and buy town cred from coolTL.

So Moosy is straigth up lying about not seeing GB rescinding his claim.

2. Moosy doesn't know roleblocker can block KP
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2015 00:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:
So does anyone want to give me some coaching advice on what the point of a town roleblocker is? I guess it's helpful against the Mafia framer? But then my reason for existing kind of died when Damdred claimed.

Well, if he had bothered to read the OP, he would have seen that KP are roleblockable. There is no way a roleblocker does not bother reading his role. (=

And we can add:
3. He knows I'm blue, and didn't try to call me mafia.

4. If you think there is the possibility he's right, you think there is the possibility I'm fakeclaiming
So you would think that I had a 1 shot roleblocker breadcrumbed in my first post just in case this exact situation happens.


1. He skips posts a lot of times. He could genuinely skipped my post

2. He may really not have read his role. I don't know what levels stupidity can reach

3. We don't know how many roles Mafia has. We already know Mafia has a roleblocker and a strongman AND a Miller was in the game. Two power roles and two lesser roles may be a possibility

4. See above
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 21:52 GMT
#4615
On October 06 2015 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I actually something to ask.
Does TMI stand for too much information?


Too much insight in Mafia slang I think
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 21:52 GMT
#4617
LS who is Mafia and why?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 21:54 GMT
#4618
On October 06 2015 06:52 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2015 06:27 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 06 2015 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:
On October 06 2015 05:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm voting Rayn

Why you voting him?


Oh so you ARE here.

Nightkills point out to Rayn being scum

Rayn admittedly said Marv could read him well
Marv is dead

Truffle was the only one with the guts to cast suspicions on Rayn
Truffle is dead

Rayn is alive
Others are dead

I will check marv's filter and Trfel's filter(again) and see what you said is true about Tfrel suspecting Rayn and see waht Marv's read on Rayn was at time of death.


I don't know Marv's read. But if he can read Rayn well, he is a threat if alive
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 21:56 GMT
#4619
With these two night kills you can only consider that

- Rayn is Mafia

- Rayn is town and so is rsoultin and mafia kept them alive so they would infinitely argue until the end of the times
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 22:09 GMT
#4634
On October 06 2015 06:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2015 06:52 GlowingBear wrote:
LS who is Mafia and why?

There is def mafia between MD and Rels like I pretty certain at least based on claims. Maybe Shining off of PoE and idk sicklucker unless I wrong on you?


What makes you believe I'm town?

Also, you don't believe both their claims can be true?

If you had to choose a person to vote, who would it be?
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 22:30 GMT
#4657
On October 06 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2015 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I apologize for being wrong on GB rsoultin.


if you're wrong on gb i don't think it's for that post? i think he could post that as town. i think it's more of a general disinterest from him and that reaction test thing that doesn't look anything like he actually intended to get anything from it




<3
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 22:32 GMT
#4660
On October 06 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no it's like.. he doesn't have options anymore so he does just.. something.
illogical bullshit. other posts of his have some weird gb logic behind them, this one doesn't.


Regardless if I believe it or not, that post is very logical and running out of options is the bullshittiedt argument I ever had.

With cc, all Mafia needs to do is pick one side.

Like Rayn, pls.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 22:36 GMT
#4666
On October 06 2015 07:27 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 06 2015 06:56 LightningStrike wrote:
On October 06 2015 06:52 GlowingBear wrote:
LS who is Mafia and why?

There is def mafia between MD and Rels like I pretty certain at least based on claims. Maybe Shining off of PoE and idk sicklucker unless I wrong on you?


What makes you believe I'm town?

Also, you don't believe both their claims can be true?

If you had to choose a person to vote, who would it be?

Some of your earlier stuff I thought you were town for.
Idk what HTS was smoking if she gives 1 shot roleblocker with a full roleblocker that just seems kinda odd for balancing unless we get a mafia flip. If I had to choose who to vote out of Rels and MD it's MD I thought Rels town before the claim anyways.


The town Roleblocker could act against town. Like, roleblocking the detective or the tracker. Is very balanced considering we already have a Mafia roleblocker and a strong man
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 05 2015 22:42 GMT
#4671
On October 04 2015 07:20 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2015 07:18 Trfel wrote:
On October 04 2015 07:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On October 04 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:
Mafia team is MoosyDoosy, sicklucker, and The Shining. Possibly rsoultin, but probably not because that would mean that I sort of did something right. I hope it's not LightningStrike.

Final answer, barring a thought or two that I'm keeping to myself.

^^^ Pursue that starting with me please.
On October 04 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:
so...we're down 4

should be down 5 unless something unexpected happens by EoN

that's 8 players

5v3...yeah fuck -_-
Seriously, how are you so far behind me?

You are NEVER behind me. I'm always the one lagging behind you.

Okay, you're mafia.
If rsoultin is mafia, then LightningStrike has a very good chance at also being mafia. Then I will add The Shining as mafia, not sure why, just because it feels right. Could probably be anyone in my lynch pool, though.

MoosyDoosy, sicklucker, and The Shining or rsoultin, LightningStrike, and The Shining.


I'm voting for The Shining today.

I mean it.

##unvote
##vote: the shining
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