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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 19 2015 09:54 GMT
#1102
fuck reals are you in fact mafia?
your eod is sososo bad...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 19 2015 09:54 GMT
#1103
reals = rels.

we should lynch LS because he is scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 19 2015 09:55 GMT
#1104
like both me and geript have made a case for like 100 times....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 19 2015 10:07 GMT
#1111
On September 19 2015 18:55 Vivax wrote:
Damdred still has to die. Shining was an okay target by Dandel, we might be at two witches left without knowing it.

I still don't know why geript died though.

no, shining was not mafia.
geript dies because we were down tow townies and mafia medic dodged.
it's fucking obvious.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 19 2015 10:08 GMT
#1112
On September 19 2015 19:05 Rels wrote:
rayn. Explanation please

if you are town and believe i am town and geript is town you lynch LS over Dandel 10 times out of 10.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 19 2015 10:11 GMT
#1114
we are not lynching anyone but LS today.
I have a fucking big hangover and i need to sleep.
See you alter.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 20 2015 11:48 GMT
#1194
On September 19 2015 18:59 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2015 18:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fuck reals are you in fact mafia?
your eod is sososo bad...

WTF ??

Why do you townread James for saying LS makes sense when nothing LS says basically makes sense?

- Ask LS questions:
- He answers to something unrelated to the question

- Ask LS who is mafia:
- He says Damdred

- Ask LS who is other mafia:
- He says shining might have been

-Ask LS why Damdred is his strongest scumread if there is no red check on him (which would prolly make him town):
- he says shining might have been the cop..

Vivax don't be stupid here now. There is absolutely no way i am mafia and kill geript when he basically has my back 100% in this game. Especially when he is scumreading LS. LS is scum, that is the easiest explanation because he is not even trying to scumhunt, and geript got shot. That is a fact. Damdred might be mafia assuming people in this game do not fucking listen to me and do shit that they are not supposed to do. This is a claim game, when is time to claim. This is also a game where people are supposed to do what they are told to, because of no flips, and mafia getting the night kill roles.

The only role that can claim is dead, noone is gonna save themselves by claiming. Mafia knows geript's role and If someone claims it is not to be trusted. Noone should counter-claim if the lynch target is claiming. Period.

James is probably scum aswell, i am unsure about the third. I kinda think Damdred is not mafia. BM is probably town, Vivax is town, Rels is... meh.. i don't fucking know, if he had not 14 pages of filter i would probably lynch him for the reasons i have laid out. Tictock is another meh... he says stuff that doesn't make any sense.

Tictock what happens if we lynch LS here and he is town? Your dumb post about the numbers makes no fucking sense at all.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 20 2015 11:48 GMT
#1195
On September 20 2015 20:47 Rels wrote:
I read FF's filter and I have no idea how to read the guy. Here is why he could be mafia:
- sheeping the vote sentiment: being one of the last voters on both the Dandel train and the Damdred check vote, now sheeping a vote on LS.
- not doing much scumhunting, just poping in the thread from time to time to discuss stuff
So nothing strong.

Now I'm really waiting HTS and Vivax to tell me what they think of him 'cause they apparently can read the guy easily.
@FF: did Vivax or HTS correctly read you as mafia before ? If yes it means their townread on you can be believed.

your first point does not mean anything.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 20 2015 11:50 GMT
#1196
HtS can you give a full read o James please?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 20 2015 11:50 GMT
#1197
On September 20 2015 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 20:47 Rels wrote:
I read FF's filter and I have no idea how to read the guy. Here is why he could be mafia:
- sheeping the vote sentiment: being one of the last voters on both the Dandel train and the Damdred check vote, now sheeping a vote on LS.
- not doing much scumhunting, just poping in the thread from time to time to discuss stuff
So nothing strong.

Now I'm really waiting HTS and Vivax to tell me what they think of him 'cause they apparently can read the guy easily.
@FF: did Vivax or HTS correctly read you as mafia before ? If yes it means their townread on you can be believed.

your first point does not mean anything.

If anything you look the most terrible from the lynch.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 20 2015 11:53 GMT
#1199
The thing is we are NOT lynching Damdred if there is not a red check on him.
100%.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 20 2015 11:59 GMT
#1203
On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
- I think Lightning Strike is town, and I think the early push on him was suspect. I don't know how any of you can be surprised that LS says stuff that doesn't add up early on. He's done that in every game I've seen him in, and he's also basically like that in voice. The way that he responded to Rels at his post #362 (basically "I'm not talking to you any more") felt very genuine, and exactly how I'd expect angsty town LS to respond.

this read doesn't make any sense at all because this is not what LS is doing.
LS is not being "incomprehensible". LS just plain out refuses to answer simple questions, and not for once or twise, but EVERY time.

- I think the person who comes out from the LS push looking the worst is TT. At his post #218 he basically says that LS is a "fine lynch", but his reasons are just re-hashes of what other people have posted earlier. He then takes it back at (#473) after others already had. I also think his town reads of Rayn, Rels and Vivax feel a little ... safe. I think thread sentiment is all pretty set on those three already, for pretty obvious reasons. When TT was mafia in HG he felt like he was always on the right side of every argument, and so far he reminds me of this.

this read doesn't make any sense. for several reasons. It is an assumption that LS is town. Okay, it kinda makes sense, but then look at what he says about HtS?!?!?!?! The opposite. HtS comes off looking town because she is wrong on LS (and knows LS way better than TT does). roflskates. Also look at the bolded part. "TT is mafia because he reads obvious townies (that everyone else also reads) town". ROFL! SERIOUSLY?!?!

I don't have a good handle on geript, TS (whose thread entry got a lot of talk, but which seemed pretty NAI to me) and FF. HTS is playing the same as the last two games we played together (when she was town). Her reason to scum me look genuine enough (if wrong, lol), and her read evolutions on LS and BM look natural. I think she's probably a town read, but I'm pretty sure when she does roll scum she'll fool me.

"I think she is town but i wouldn't know if she was scum."
Yeah dude great read.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 20 2015 12:00 GMT
#1204
On September 20 2015 20:57 Rels wrote:
rayn, you attacking me when you were not here EOD AND without explaining why, just "if you were town you would have lynched LS over Dandel" is super weird
I know how you play. I know Dandel refusing to explain his two weird reads would have made you lynch him

I don't care if i was here or not in the EoD.
That does not make you look any better.

The point still stands, i would think if you are town you would 100% get on LS with me and geript who btw WAS here on EoD.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 20 2015 12:01 GMT
#1206
There is nothing fucking weird in that. Two arguably the most experienced players in this game have a really strong scumread on LS and basically no read on Dandel and you decide to lynch Dandel.

That is weird, not my concerns on you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 20 2015 12:02 GMT
#1207
On September 20 2015 21:00 Rels wrote:
So rayn. I'm voting LS, since his filter dive didn't convince me he was town. Since everybody is OK with his lynch, if he is mafia it is a bus. With whom ?

James and idk yet.
All the dead people are 99,8% town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 20 2015 12:04 GMT
#1210
On September 20 2015 21:02 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 20 2015 20:57 Rels wrote:
rayn, you attacking me when you were not here EOD AND without explaining why, just "if you were town you would have lynched LS over Dandel" is super weird
I know how you play. I know Dandel refusing to explain his two weird reads would have made you lynch him

I don't care if i was here or not in the EoD.
That does not make you look any better.

The point still stands, i would think if you are town you would 100% get on LS with me and geript who btw WAS here on EoD.

There is NO reason for you to attack me on that
If you feel my reasonning for voting Dandel is bad, show me how it is fucking bad
But at EOD I felt he was more likely to be scum than LS. Actually I was pretty sure Dandel was scum

I don't care. I think you are more likely to be town than some other people so it doesn't really matter.
I guess i am just mad at you.. *sigh*
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 20 2015 12:11 GMT
#1216
On September 20 2015 21:09 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 21:08 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote:
On September 20 2015 09:40 Tictock wrote:
On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 19 2015 14:57 Tictock wrote:
Also, just gunna throw this out there.

Cop (Inquisitor) doesn't NEED to claim if they have a red check imo. In fact I'm not sure it's a good idea at all anymore.

Right now we know Vixax is martyr, if Cop claims with a red-check on Damdred then mafia can soup them both tonight, and possibly more if they have some read on other roles.

So claiming a redcheck is a 1 mafia for 2 town trade. Given that mafia goes for the soup kill.

That would (again assuming we are 7/3 now) put us into a 5/2. Leaving town with the one mislynch before we are in lylo.

So think things through yourself, check if I'm right here and if it's still a good call to claim a check in this situation.

I 100% disagree with this
we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town
we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night
either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer

first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward
8v2
lynch 7v2
nightkill 6v2
lynch 5v2
nightkill4v2 (mylo)
but if you do your scenario
8v2
lynch 7v2
soup 5v2
lynch 4v2
nightkill 3v2
(cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo)

TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia.


So looking back at this, I noticed that there are some mistakes/weird stuff happening here.

In your 2nd list you have town mislynching, followed by a soup kill which makes no sense. Only way we get a 2nd claim today is if Inq claims a redcheck which would mean:
8v2
lynch 8v1
soup 6v1
mislynch 5v1
nightkill 4v1
ml 3v1
nk 2v1
LyLo

no soup
8v2
ml 7v2
nk 6v2
ml 5v2
nk 4v2
MyLo

Or the 7/3 situation
7v3
lynch 7v2
soup 5v2
ml 4v2
nk 3v2
LyLo

And lastly 7/3 no soup
7v3
ml 6v3
nk 5v3
MyLo (ml 4v3 into nk 3v3)

That last one is scary actually.
Also I now see exactly what you mean BM. Redcheck should definitely be claimed.

It probably should have been claimed already, but if you listened to my lat post about this and held off claiming a redcheck now is the time. Otherwise assuming Damdred is town seems fairly reasonable.

OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are:
Red check claimed:
7-3 is now
7-2 mislynch
6-2 after NK
Two mislynches left before losing

Red check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislynch left before losing

Green check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislyng before losing

It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim.

you're wrong; recheck your math

I did already, continue reading

Apparently you didn't, unless you are mafia and know something i don't.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 20 2015 12:15 GMT
#1218
Red check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislynch left before losing

Green check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislyng before losing

we know for a fact dandel was town.
so rels, explain it to me like i am five, why does the Exorcist not shoot if we mislynch?
Because i can only think of one thing....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 20 2015 12:19 GMT
#1222
On September 20 2015 21:17 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:
On September 19 2015 19:08 Rels wrote:
On September 19 2015 12:54 Bill Murray wrote:
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads

His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on

I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred

WTF
Damdred being suspicious is EXACTLY why he has been checked tonight
Now Shining or geript could have been the inquisitor
But here is a fucking high % Damdred is confirmed town. So why are you voting him ?

BM still waiting for an answer to that

yeah this is all WIFOM we have no idea who was fucking checked
why the fuck would a cop go with your plan? you're not as townie as you think

it was my plan.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 20 2015 12:20 GMT
#1224
On September 20 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Red check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislynch left before losing

Green check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislyng before losing

we know for a fact dandel was town.
so rels, explain it to me like i am five, why does the Exorcist not shoot if we mislynch?
Because i can only think of one thing....

Because I forgot about him
What is your explanation for mafia me forgetting it ?

i am sorry but if you are mafia you know geript's role.
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