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On September 20 2015 04:11 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 03:44 Half the Sky wrote:On September 20 2015 03:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
The deadlinevote leader was damdred until people switched to dandel. This makes me think damdred is a good chance of being a hit.
I personally think shining was super town but that isn't confirmed i guess so maybe dandel has god reads but i doubt it. I looked at the VCAs, the latter voters (LS!!!) really stand a good chance of being mafia, plus those who really drove the Dandel lynch (probably at the beginning). Preliminary thoughts here. So for you to make this conclusion you imply that someone was "protecting" damdred to do this or driving the lynch off him. Am I correct? If not, what are you really saying so I'm not misunderstanding? The reason I thought was that he'd be DT checked, and I trusted rayn on the mechanics. So I really don't understand. no you got me there I don' think before I type. That was the reason people switched
Exploring this mindset -
- I can't see rayn lying about mechanics when others can easily call him out on it. Nope.
- Rels made a case on Dandel (and I questioned Dandel's read on Damdred - it made no sense)
- probably need to explore the people that tried to take the policy lynch avenue on Dandel then.
- offhand I know this makes James (Fidei) look worse, there's probably 1-2 others that took that route.
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On September 18 2015 06:55 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:47 Half the Sky wrote:
I don't fully understand your second sentence.
Look at his filter - what do you make of his responses to Rels and myself
Or what do you think of Rels' case? When I said look at his filter I meant about the timing of his posts about me and correlation of me being a hot topic at that time. About his responses to Rels and you: It's okay nothing to spectacular about it.Also I think Vivax might be our best grail vote since hs is the unCCed Martyr and that role seems way antitown I doubt mafia would waste their KP to soup kill a Martyr. ##HolyGrailUnvote
##HolyGrailVote:Vivax
On September 19 2015 07:23 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 06:59 Rels wrote:On September 18 2015 06:55 LightningStrike wrote:On September 18 2015 06:47 Half the Sky wrote:
I don't fully understand your second sentence.
Look at his filter - what do you make of his responses to Rels and myself
Or what do you think of Rels' case? When I said look at his filter I meant about the timing of his posts about me and correlation of me being a hot topic at that time. That doesn't answer the fucking question I was rather confused by the wording of the post at the time. I felt his responses to you and HTS were okay but meh I should prob check his past games and see how he acts as both alignment.
This is actually a great example of what I'm talking about.
Why didn't you push back against me when you didn't understand the question and just answered it anyhow? There was still plenty of time before EoD to resolve that.
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On September 20 2015 04:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
That kill is pretty weird, too. You'd think getting rid of the grail wouldn't be that important N1 if LS is mafia. Rayn is the only one who has been really pushing hard for LS's lynch why not just shut him up? Most everyone has him town so I wouldn't immediately think he was killed for his LS read idk it's kinda wifom so I will shut it off
No geript was too. Look at geript's filter closer to EoD. Scum cannot kill both of them.
"I really want an LS kill"
Geript was trying to influence the judge when we were one vote shy of lynching Dandel Ion.
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On September 20 2015 04:17 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 04:11 Half the Sky wrote:
LS
Here's the thing. People have made it clear you have trouble lying. I am making my best effort personally to flesh out the questions explicitly as I can as possible so I can get past the part where I know you cannot articulate yourself well. So the issue is that you are not particularly answering directly or not even asking me to clarify.
I am trying to work with you here based on all I know about you. But I'll be frank, you aren't making it easier, and I would expect some sort of pushback from you if you thought my questions were unclear (either alignment) or loaded (i.e. mafia motivated) or "out to get you" (like you pinged me out correctly in Newbie LX when I was mafia, and I used lynch all liars to get you mislynched) and so far I'm not seeing any of those responses.
The other points against you now are VCA and NK wifom, though the latter is weaker, it's not helping you at all. I got a wall of text post coming up about my posts about Damdred but I going to say this before making that wall of text post about my position on Damdred over the game: I thought I had read some of the questions right the first I taking a Reading Class atm to work on my reading but then I saw post by rels where said I didn't answer the question and realized I misread it so I answered it when I quoted Rels. I only pinged you out in Newbie LX was because I knew and you knew that I wasn't capable of making a lot of posts as mafia at the time and you were misrepresenting me hard there when I got lynched in that game as VT.
Alright. Based on OGI....I can believe this actually.
Let's see your wall on Damdred then.
(Sidenote - since LS is a contested player atm, as for the OGI, I'll just say it's not my place to discuss it further.)
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So much for that. :/
My time is up...don't particularly want to make the husband annoyed. *facepalm*
I'm going to look into the vote analysis a bit more plus those that tried to drive Dandel's lynch without much a purpose. That might be the next avenue to look into.
I'll pick up on this tomorrow. Happy Saturday everyone <3
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On September 20 2015 04:25 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2015 04:21 Half the Sky wrote:On September 20 2015 04:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
That kill is pretty weird, too. You'd think getting rid of the grail wouldn't be that important N1 if LS is mafia. Rayn is the only one who has been really pushing hard for LS's lynch why not just shut him up? Most everyone has him town so I wouldn't immediately think he was killed for his LS read idk it's kinda wifom so I will shut it off No geript was too. Look at geript's filter closer to EoD. Scum cannot kill both of them. "I really want an LS kill" Geript was trying to influence the judge when we were one vote shy of lynching Dandel Ion. Well shit. You can just play for me HTS, you seem to read
So what does this tell you about any of the people we've been discussing?
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Outside of game information.
Basically there is information that I know about you irrespective of this game (namely your personal life) that is going to influence my read or how I interpret you.
Now I have to run.
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Alright.
I'm on my way home, I was out all last night, I was out all day today. Since the husband is going into League marathon mode before work tonight (kill me please) I am setting aside HOURS to sort through this shit.
Offhand as I recall the questions
- is LS capable of lying/fakeclaim history
OFFHAND - I know for a fact he fakeclaimed Named Town in Himalayas and that was massive controversy after he rescinded the fakeclaim. He had a MAJOR breakdown when the pressure piled on him that almost got him in trouble with the hosting team (Fecalfeast and I had some discussion on it) but ultimately we settled for a post-game warning (reference Ban List 2.0)
- has LS ever fakeclaimed as mafia? Honestly NOT THAT I RECALL. I think he was lynched very early and picked off early in Witchcraft 3. In TL LXX Guardians he was tracked to the N1 kill. In my first ever game, Student IV, he sacrificed himself, both blues were dead so he did not fakeclaim.
- is he capable of lying? honestly he has a very difficult time. He said so himself in Witchcraft 3. He doesn't like playing scum because of the lying.
- is he capable of breaking meta? Well in JOAT he fooled us once, but he played VERY close to meta as coached by geript. To my knowledge he hasn't broken meta in a manner that benefits him as mafia.
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Right now as it stands I actually think voting James (Fidei86) may be the way to go, at the very least, a pressure (deadline) vote.
I also want to sort through the arguments on Rels (just a cursory glance on mobile he STILL looks townie, but I want to get to the wording that seems to be disputed) Tictock and BM.
These are just my preliminary thoughts.
I know that during the week, James works crazy hours at work. This weekend, I know Friday night we played some dota, I think he was up later than I was, I want to say until at least 3am our time? Saturday he was involved in sport all day, rugby match at night. That said, this is pretty NAI. I know he's in Newbie 14. That game is in lylo, and he's going all out (and I will probably get in trouble if I continue further talking about that game) there. Not going to kid ourselves.
So I want to push him at the very least to put some effort here. Because he has also told me that he has no idea how to play scum, and I do NOT want him to skate by.
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Back in roughly less than an hour. Should be back on desktop then.
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Note to self - comment on Fecalfeast
Rels - there's 3 known metas I know of FF.
Tryhard town (Not Themed)
Tryhard/spammy mafia (Carnaval/Ippo)
Lazy town (Carol/Titanic 7)
I'll elaborate on them more when I get home. May need to do a database dig up on him too. I'll try and identify where he is here, the ONLY meta I have not seen is lazy mafia meta, and I don't want to make the same mistake I did with WaveofShadow in Gaiden.
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2000 my time is not a problem btw. Will be here before and through.
Also the meta for FF I'm seeing so far is the "lazy town" meta. I'm reading through Carnaval for possible parallels, but he's spammy as shit there. And I mean really spammy "shit up the thread".
Rels having 17 pages of filter btw I'm not sure is indicative. I don't think he's been mafia but his posts have had direction and he scumhunts in a very conversational fashion, fishing for reactions and such. Which contributes to his longer filter. The question to hit upon is whether he's misleading and misdirectional if anything and so far I'm not seeing it.
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EBWOP - on Rels - "I don't think he's been mafia before on TL and in this game his posts have had...
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The Fecalfeast I'm seeing here is closer to JOAT/Carol/Titanic 7.
He was way the hell more spammy in Carnaval across 4 cycles, and was caught out on VCA. Some of the spam was pointless filler, a bit of talk on setup spec there but I'm ignoring that for here since we are in a themed game. (Carnaval was a normal mini).
FF also had a history of pushing AFKers in that game. Ippo was also 11 pages in 2 cycles, and a lot of spammy shit there too. A lot of one-liners in that game with ZERO direction.
I know Vivax said something about FF's late vote being a problem but it was not nearly as blatant as him trying to save his confirmed mafia teammate in Carnaval.
So I think the thing here is to look for a combination of lack of direction plus a crazy amount of filler. I know in Carol he was just completely lazy, and I know in titantic 7 he contradicted himself a lot as town (I cased him twice, that's how I know and he was just playing really suboptimally).
I don't think he's mafia here. Based on what I know, and what I've read I don't think he's the lynch. I am curious to read Rels' reasoning. D1 I know he's quite lazy (and three times to my questions he admitted he lacked answers largely because he just wasn't reading) and I'm seeing that here. D2 there were 1-2 posts that jumped as being somewhat town. He's a very good DT check if people want to resolve him sooner rather than later (or those who don't understand his meta) but you see more of an obvious agenda trying to pick off the easy lynches/afk people/less actives as mafia. That was very apparent in Carnaval and less so in Ippo, but still apparent.
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10 minutes from home...anyone else around?
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On September 21 2015 02:25 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2015 01:12 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright.
I'm on my way home, I was out all last night, I was out all day today. Since the husband is going into League marathon mode before work tonight (kill me please) I am setting aside HOURS to sort through this shit.
Offhand as I recall the questions
- is LS capable of lying/fakeclaim history
OFFHAND - I know for a fact he fakeclaimed Named Town in Himalayas and that was massive controversy after he rescinded the fakeclaim. He had a MAJOR breakdown when the pressure piled on him that almost got him in trouble with the hosting team (Fecalfeast and I had some discussion on it) but ultimately we settled for a post-game warning (reference Ban List 2.0)
- has LS ever fakeclaimed as mafia? Honestly NOT THAT I RECALL. I think he was lynched very early and picked off early in Witchcraft 3. In TL LXX Guardians he was tracked to the N1 kill. In my first ever game, Student IV, he sacrificed himself, both blues were dead so he did not fakeclaim.
- is he capable of lying? honestly he has a very difficult time. He said so himself in Witchcraft 3. He doesn't like playing scum because of the lying.
- is he capable of breaking meta? Well in JOAT he fooled us once, but he played VERY close to meta as coached by geript. To my knowledge he hasn't broken meta in a manner that benefits him as mafia. Just saw this because I was playing some Pokemon TCGO(Trading Card Game Online). Thank for attesting to the fact that I had fake claimed as town and no I never claimed a blue role as scum before I had only claimed VT/Town(I claimed just Town in JOAT). Was this the OGI you were talking about that you said it wasn't place to talk about it?
Nope. The OGI is related to your personal life, which is why I stopped short of talking about it. I highlighted the parts from stuff you said about your university coursework that alluded to it.
I admit I am a bit cautious on you breaking meta to lie but for what I know it is still in the tinfoil world for me - you've never done it before and you openly admitted in QTs/etc that you don't want to/won't do it - and I'd be a bit more concerned if you were still alive late game. The fact that BM had to coach you on Skype on how to pull it off (and you still couldn't) in witchcraft 3 is clear indication enough.
In Guardians I don't think you had to deal with any of that, and you claimed scum anyhow when you were tracked by Trfel. You didn't even try getting around it at all.
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On September 21 2015 02:29 LightningStrike wrote:
I here HTS what up girl?
Not much. Trying to power through a few filters and re-read the thread on mobile. Apparently there's a meeting in about 90 minutes a bunch of people are going to return here to discuss a few things.
Fidei also mentioned he would return to allocate more time to Mafia Sunday night (it's 1830 here, not sure what time he'd be around) but I'm hoping he can split time between NSM14 and here.
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On September 21 2015 02:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
which is a good scum tactic I have seen before. Didn't eden have 50 pages one time?
That was as town vanilla in Horn of Africa. He fakeclaimed miller, goodness knows why.
Eden is a player who does jack all as scum, what that has to do with this game, no bloody idea.
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Alright, FF ignore 1448, I see what you meant there. You are alluding to shit up the thread strategy, but not many players can pull that off. If you are alluding to Rels doing that I would have to disagree.
On September 21 2015 02:47 Rels wrote:
Rayn if you're reading this you need to come back. Day 1 you left the thread until deadline cause you went to Stockholm. Now you're threatening to not do shit until deadline because people won't lynch ls. Sorry but that ls claim is actually pretty likely to be true so please accept that and come back.
100%
Sadly I expect a soup kill on the town because of this too. Ugh.
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