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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 16 2015 21:57 GMT
#698
god i thought i made it right before deadline but we have a whole day dont we...
i feel like an idiot now
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 17 2015 07:55 GMT
#732
On September 17 2015 11:27 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 20:22 Vivax wrote:
I find it interesting he points out how he disagrees with me and not rayn who at the time agreed with me on Rels and TT, and BM called rayn town from the get go. What irks me here is that he prefers to compare his reads to mine rather than to rayn's. Will have to take a closer look at that I guess.


Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 20:49 Vivax wrote:
This BM asimmetry of communication is rather blatant. It feels like he turns more of a blind eye towards his TR rayn than to unCCd town role Vivax, almost like he wanted to avoid discussing with rayn.


Saw this, I ran through BM's filter - posts 412, 434, there's a few points where he discusses that - actually the contrast for TT/Rels is discussed in 412. Unless you missed that post entirely and that's what you meant, but I am reading post 412 and I'm not seeing how that post is scum-indicative for BM. Maybe tonewise he seemed a bit confrontational on how you read it, but it sounds like meta or his experience playing with you. Nothing jumped out at me as unusual/scummy for him.

i was just highlighting that our minds are opposite, nothing more, nothing less

i ignore rayn why? because he's town. i'm hunting scum.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 17 2015 07:56 GMT
#733
Rayn what are we going to do when town are about to get lynched? are they even supposed to claim? I just found a problem with vivax claiming. Let's say LS or Damdred are to be lynched and they are whatever the fuck the cop is called what then?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 17 2015 07:59 GMT
#734
On September 17 2015 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 05:39 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 17 2015 05:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 17 2015 05:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On September 17 2015 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 17 2015 05:23 LightningStrike wrote:
I here and got out of class early and I been trying to answer people's concerns straight up to the best of my ability rayn. Plus I take you over Vivax because I can't remember much of Vivax other than he's the Martyr because no one cced him. We don't want him to have it because if he dies when he got it than we lose it for the rest of the game I think if I read the op correctly.

okay. if you are sure i am town and you are right why would i not die?

Angel save assuming Vivax dies from the soup. Also I just checked the op about the timing of the lynch and it's 72 hour days so tomorrow is the deadline so that is a relief for me so I can be here tomorrow at deadline

okay. why do you assume we lynch town D1?

I didn't assume Damdred is town is Angel saves work if the people don't get soup killed?

If we lycnh mafia on D1 are they gonna angel save me when mafia kills me?

they're going to have to kill vivax, no?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 17 2015 08:02 GMT
#735
On September 17 2015 01:52 Rels wrote:
Mm OK
I still think geript is mafia for his play
But I would lynch damdred before him right now

@Rels
why is geript mafia "for his play" ?
why do you think damdred is more likely to flip mafia than geript?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 17 2015 08:03 GMT
#736
On September 17 2015 03:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
Who is the best mayor candidate i don't see much talk of that. If rayn is town and playing this strongly and gets the grail wont he just be NK bait?

he's already NK bait after they get rid of Vivax
Mafia knows Vivax can be angelic protected and use his save on Rayn which would result in 2 town being saved and then night 2 when one of them gets angelic protected they're at best at 3 kills on n3
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 17 2015 08:06 GMT
#737
On September 17 2015 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
Can someone who knows Shining confirm or deny this ? If this is a lie, Damdred's read is super fake.

Shining already explained this and he is town anyways.

if you think shining is town then damdred has to be mafia (pretty much) because damdred has been claiming a meta read on shining (saying shining is maf) which i dont think he would do if they were both town
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 17 2015 08:08 GMT
#738
On September 16 2015 20:22 Vivax wrote:
Slight townread on LS and shining.

Scumlean on Damdred.

HtS stays in null territory, I liked her opinion on geript's post on LS, it made me change perspective a bit, had to reread it myself a couple of times but then I saw where geript was coming from, it was kinda formulaic tho.

Point about HtS being that she is showing effort but it can come from both alignments, she committed a bit on my points about FF but not willing to read her either way so far.

Geript goes to null-scummish territory cause of personal meta. In some recent game I scumread him for being too tryhard to the point where I thought he was just playing it. Turned out he was the tracker, anyway he's not really anything like that in this game.

BM kinda doing his own thing, disagrees with me on basically everything. Well, I disagree with him as well and I'm just gonna let him do his own thing for now and keep him null, BUT

I find it interesting he points out how he disagrees with me and not rayn who at the time agreed with me on Rels and TT, and BM called rayn town from the get go. What irks me here is that he prefers to compare his reads to mine rather than to rayn's. Will have to take a closer look at that I guess.

well i have known you the longest and i am a meta player...

gonna finish catching up on the presidential debates (GOP) and go to bed though

will pop up tomorrow
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 19 2015 03:46 GMT
#1078
I'm glad Geript died. 1) he had claimed to not be a couple roles, so deductively that was good for the souping (if mafia were competent enough to be paying attention)
2) he wasn't really a "mayor" he was more of a "floridian"
3) rayn is the town leader and he is still alive
it sucks because geript was my 2nd strongest townread, however
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 19 2015 03:54 GMT
#1079
Damdred has been failing to scumhunt while easily tossing out "matter of fact" townreads

His one attempt at scumhunting (Shining) he flipflopped on

I can easily see Damdred + FF being scum together
##Vote Damdred
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 19 2015 03:58 GMT
#1080
Oh yeah, by the way, I missed the EoD by 13 minutes. Came online at 6:13. was very disappointed, until I realized Dandy was probably Cavalier and sniped Shining-scum

but yeah im pretty sure scumteam was/is one of Shining/Damdred... and if Damdred is scum, pretty sure he is with FF.

If it's not FF it's Rels. Depends how Damdred plays. Might be neither, but there are some tells in his filter that point me in those directions.

Pretty sure Damdred is an A-B-C player, which would be Damdred/FF scumteam

I am playing based upon "worst case scenario" ... with there being 7 town left. If it's 8-2 ... then maybe damdred is just playing poorly this game... anyways i dont see him being scum with shining ... im really just not seeing a way i was right about shining's flip... idk im kind of tired and rambling but im keeping my vote for now unless rayn wants to talk me off of it
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 19 2015 06:37 GMT
#1085
wow tictock those are some good posts

im just gonna leave this here for your enjoyment
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 15 2009 13:06 Xx5k4t3rG0H4NxX wrote:
wow

u sound like a fukin ungrateful douchebag. be a man n suck it up cuz life aint gonna get better if u think like dat

u gotta skate

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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 19 2015 06:37 GMT
#1086
btw that is 100% a TL meme and im not meaning to be mean in case u arent familiar with the meme (u gotta sk8)
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 19 2015 06:44 GMT
#1087
On September 19 2015 14:57 Tictock wrote:
Also, just gunna throw this out there.

Cop (Inquisitor) doesn't NEED to claim if they have a red check imo. In fact I'm not sure it's a good idea at all anymore.

Right now we know Vixax is martyr, if Cop claims with a red-check on Damdred then mafia can soup them both tonight, and possibly more if they have some read on other roles.

So claiming a redcheck is a 1 mafia for 2 town trade. Given that mafia goes for the soup kill.

That would (again assuming we are 7/3 now) put us into a 5/2. Leaving town with the one mislynch before we are in lylo.

So think things through yourself, check if I'm right here and if it's still a good call to claim a check in this situation.

I 100% disagree with this
we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town
we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night
either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer

first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward
8v2
lynch 7v2
nightkill 6v2
lynch 5v2
nightkill4v2 (mylo)
but if you do your scenario
8v2
lynch 7v2
soup 5v2
lynch 4v2
nightkill 3v2
(cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo)

TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia.

What do I propose? No lynch? Nope. Wanna know why? Angelic Protection. We have Geript in the graveyard dictating where protections should be from the masses. We get a good lynch, and a good protect, and we are potentially ahead of where we were before.

Tictock, I don't scumread you at all anymore. Reads change over the course of a game. I am, and have been, deadset on lynching Damdred. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm just not feeling town-Damdred.

I also feel he has overly interacted with FecalFeast, and the way they both acted with the Grail was pretty peculiar. I believe you're asking me about LS? Well, his interactions with Rayn have me leaning town on him, but I saw 1 post he made that reminded me of his scum game. I'm not that good at reading him, so I don't want to be like "ermagerd hez tern" and be wrong
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 20 2015 03:21 GMT
#1163
whats up
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 20 2015 03:27 GMT
#1164
On September 20 2015 09:40 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote:
On September 19 2015 14:57 Tictock wrote:
Also, just gunna throw this out there.

Cop (Inquisitor) doesn't NEED to claim if they have a red check imo. In fact I'm not sure it's a good idea at all anymore.

Right now we know Vixax is martyr, if Cop claims with a red-check on Damdred then mafia can soup them both tonight, and possibly more if they have some read on other roles.

So claiming a redcheck is a 1 mafia for 2 town trade. Given that mafia goes for the soup kill.

That would (again assuming we are 7/3 now) put us into a 5/2. Leaving town with the one mislynch before we are in lylo.

So think things through yourself, check if I'm right here and if it's still a good call to claim a check in this situation.

I 100% disagree with this
we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town
we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night
either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer

first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward
8v2
lynch 7v2
nightkill 6v2
lynch 5v2
nightkill4v2 (mylo)
but if you do your scenario
8v2
lynch 7v2
soup 5v2
lynch 4v2
nightkill 3v2
(cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo)

TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia.


So looking back at this, I noticed that there are some mistakes/weird stuff happening here.

In your 2nd list you have town mislynching, followed by a soup kill which makes no sense. Only way we get a 2nd claim today is if Inq claims a redcheck which would mean:
8v2
lynch 8v1
soup 6v1
mislynch 5v1
nightkill 4v1
ml 3v1
nk 2v1
LyLo

no soup
8v2
ml 7v2
nk 6v2
ml 5v2
nk 4v2
MyLo

Or the 7/3 situation
7v3
lynch 7v2
soup 5v2
ml 4v2
nk 3v2
LyLo

And lastly 7/3 no soup
7v3
ml 6v3
nk 5v3
MyLo (ml 4v3 into nk 3v3)

That last one is scary actually.
Also I now see exactly what you mean BM. Redcheck should definitely be claimed.

It probably should have been claimed already, but if you listened to my lat post about this and held off claiming a redcheck now is the time. Otherwise assuming Damdred is town seems fairly reasonable.

yeah i did make a mistake im glad you brought this up:
if they souped and we red then the scum would be dead
so that wouldnt be a mislynch
but if there was, worst case scenario, it would still be better than if we dont
because i like to avoid mylo
it's statistically better for town to have an actual lynch lose instead of mislynch lose
however with 4 left or 6 left and mylo this scenario is about the first i've thought hey this might be decent
we might not want to avoid mylo because of the angelic protection
food for thought

What do you think of LS's "long" post about Damdred, TT?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 20 2015 03:29 GMT
#1165
On September 19 2015 19:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2015 14:44 Tictock wrote:
Vote Count: ~24hrs before EoD
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet
The Shining (1): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (1): Rels
Damdred (5): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky

Holy Grail Vote
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (1): geript




EoDVote Count
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax

Holy Grail Vote
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike





EoDVote Count: Cleaned up with colors!
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
Damdred (2): Bill Murray, Vivax


Holy Grail Vote
geript (7): raynpelikoneet, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
Vivax (4): Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (1): Fecalfeast

Ok this doesn't really tell us a whole lot, or at least I dont see much information from this, but maybe someone who is better with VCA stuff cna read more into it than I, also now we have a couple of VCs for D1 to look at.

The runaway train that grew on Dandel probably has all the mafia on it. Rayn has been pretty clearly town, Vivax is unCC'd and I'm leaning town on BM, so that's where I'm going to put my focus.

Damdred, LS and FF and an outside chance of Fidei are the people I'm thinking are most likely scum. I'm not really sure if I'm still scum reading Fidei, but I'm gunna leave him on the scummier side of null for now untill I get a chance to reread him. I know that he's playing in multiple games at once so that split of his focus might be affecting my read on him.

Pretty cool (=
I prefer a colored vote count with switches though. Here it is:

EoDVote Count
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax

Holy Grail Vote
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike

Not much to say with that big of a wagon. Dandel voting for LS at the end is weird; why did he not fucking shot LS.
I disagree with BM outside the main wagon being town indicative. Maybe if he was here at EOD and had reasons to do so, it would mean something; but the reason he's not on the main wagon is that he was not here.

um, no
i wasnt going to vote dandelion
and if you have been paying attention to me this game you should have realized that bro
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 20 2015 03:34 GMT
#1166
On September 19 2015 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:
On September 19 2015 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 19 2015 18:33 Rels wrote:
On September 19 2015 18:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Guys that lynch was realky fucking dumb.

Easy to say that in retrospect

no it was really stupid because the dude fucking claimed the only role that should claim if being lynched....
idk.. maybe i go reread and just see who was there and not unvote and lynch the fuck out of them.

reread the timestamps
he claimed exactly at deadline

yeah i got that, the timestamps on new TL are fucking horrible.
i hate those. i hate the new design as whole...

me too but im getting used to it

On September 18 2015 07:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
well prepare to be anally blasted
it will be...... grand you could say

oh i thought he was crusader

thats REALLY FUCKING BAD FOR US that we lost one of our important roles

This gimps us because if he visited the wandering wraith they would have learned who he was
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 20 2015 03:35 GMT
#1167
Also I want to say I agree with Vivax on the role speculation from Rels/Rayn/etc

We need to stick to old fashioned scumhunting.

We got vanilla icecream ready to eat

Don't fuck it up by adding too many things
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 20 2015 03:39 GMT
#1168
I changed my vote to LS
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