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On September 15 2015 21:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and ofc people want to lynch me I went afk. I honestly went to pokemon but I had take care of some college stuff when I got home. Now about the Martyr claim: I don't really like it myself because if you think about who would the martyr protect if they protect anyone? I feel like rayn could be mafia for his martyr hunting despite him being the main person speaking in the thread.
On September 15 2015 21:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Also people that tend push are generally are mafia when I'm given my history. I never even played with rels before that could the most true thing of the rule of LS Town which if a new player who never played with me before tries to push me chances are they are mafia looking for a easy lynch. I had this happen time and time again so(shrugs). There are multiple people pushing you. Why are you attacking me, when I'm voting The Shining ?
On September 15 2015 16:54 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I don't have much time atm but I'm here and Town so let's get down to business! Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? Alright that is super scummy. The first post looks like he doesn't know what to say.The second post is a fucking useless question that is answered by rayn's previous post about why martyr should claim. Plus, a question is not what I call "getting down to business".
Does it look like Rels pushed you for being afk?
What makes you think this is a mafia-motivated post (the third quote)?
I am making the assumption that if you read up to the part where Vivax claimed you would have covered this section that I quoted.
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EBWOP - Last post directed at LS.
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Read geript's filter a few times. Can't get a good read on him either. He's voted LS for deadline but I don't understand this part.
On September 15 2015 10:46 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? When he's town he'll still follow the leader, but he'll generally over talk about a random reason he's thought against it. A less than LS question.
He presumably has some scumread based on the vote but I can't tell if this part is a soft push/non-committal read based on the wording. It seems a bit cautious though based on the wording.
I'm going to say slight scumread.
Everything else I read of his filter I feel could come from either alignment.
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On September 15 2015 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 21:43 Half the Sky wrote:On September 15 2015 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 21:36 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - Damn quotes.
No I'm not. i meant, you read my reasoning why claiming is good before you said you are not the martyr, right? Yes, that and other people claiming "not martyr". Okay so; you read the mechanics, you read my reasoning. When you read my reasoning why did you not notice it conflicts with the mechanics (because it does)?
Like I said, I derped. I really have no good explanation.
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On September 15 2015 18:34 Vivax wrote:
There's only a small chance I'm reading too much into it cause it's FF but usually that applies. He doesn't care much when he's town, and is actually quite good at playing scum and making the impression that he cares and has some real scumreads. I don't think it's the latter in this game.
Agreed with all of this. Once I saw the lols happening I felt better about Fecalfeast. I've played 5-7 with him plus recalling a few more that I've hosted with him in it, so this is a fairly reliable meta. I've seen one game where he IS tryhard serious town (Not Themed) but I was able to tell the difference between that and tryhard serious mafia FF (Carnaval).
He's a slight townlean here.
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Caught up to where I started posting.
This is where I am:
Likely town: rayn, Rels, Vivax
Townlean: FF, Tictock
Null: Fidei, Damdred, BM, Dandel
Scumlean: geript, Shining
Probable scum: LS
Fidei's post is legit (OGI) but that can be regardless of alignment.
Damdred is another one I do not have a good read on based on his filter, absolutely nothing after the "ls deadline vote" remark. I'd have expected him to post more though as either alignment though.
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I threw my vote on LS (deadline) for now.
Unsure of where I want to go for holy grail. I have a slight townlean on Tictock and I realise it's based on d1, but I want to be a little more sure that Tictock isn't pulling another performance like he did in Holy Guardians when he was scum. I obsed that game and he had me pretty fooled then.
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On September 15 2015 22:35 Rels wrote:
would disagree on FF and geript
FF you're the second people saying he's playing his town meta. OK. For me it means nothing.
geript pushed LS' lynch from the very beginning, and I don't think mafia bus this early, especially this game with everyone being a role
On FF - I understand this viewpoint. There are a few games I cited where I can split his game and where he's broken meta as town (namely Not Themed) so I can see where he has the ability to break it as mafia. I think once he posts more and more information is on the loose he will be easier to discern past meta.
As for geript, let me pull the quotes so we can discuss, I recall rayn townreading him so I want to see what you are seeing that I am not or if I'm reading too much into something.
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On September 15 2015 22:35 LightningStrike wrote:I here still but I aint claiming unless I have to and will reread the thread later. Rels check all my games out for my meta and you might be able to give a better read on me there the database have all my games I had played in it. HTS you disappoint me 
I am taking three things into account.
1 I'm aware you aren't particularly articulate.
2 I'm aware of your mafia meta, I am also aware you've said you don't like playing mafia and have trouble being the bad guy (reference Witchcraft 3).
3 I'm also aware of what you are capable of when you ARE town. This is why I tried to break down Rels' position for you. That he's scumreading you NOT for being AFK, and whether you can realistically break that down to being a mafia motivated post.
I'm purposely ignoring the mechanics based on #1 and focusing more based on #6 in Rels post why you aren't answering the questions.
Also I get the meta references on your end but the LS rule is quite arbitrary regardless of your alignment. The people scumreading you - even if aggressive - ARE breaking down why you are mafia or what about you looks mafia.
So if you ignore Rels and Rayn (hypothetically) for just a second, who is mafia?
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On September 15 2015 22:35 Rels wrote:
would disagree on FF and geript
FF you're the second people saying he's playing his town meta. OK. For me it means nothing.
geript pushed LS' lynch from the very beginning, and I don't think mafia bus this early, especially this game with everyone being a role
Rels - you still here? grabbing the geript quotes I don't get right now...
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On September 15 2015 09:29 geript wrote:
##deadline vote Lightning strike
Rayn I can't hold being in character, but do you know why?
On September 15 2015 10:41 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 09:29 geript wrote:
##deadline vote Lightning strike
Rayn I can't hold being in character, but do you know why? So Rayn have you figured out why I'm voting LS yet?
On September 15 2015 22:05 Half the Sky wrote:Read geript's filter a few times. Can't get a good read on him either. He's voted LS for deadline but I don't understand this part. Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 10:46 geript wrote:On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? When he's town he'll still follow the leader, but he'll generally over talk about a random reason he's thought against it. A less than LS question. He presumably has some scumread based on the vote but I can't tell if this part is a soft push/non-committal read based on the wording. It seems a bit cautious though based on the wording. I'm going to say slight scumread. Everything else I read of his filter I feel could come from either alignment.
Alright, I looked at your points. I don't consider this geript "pushing" LS (in comparison to you and rayn, he's not engaging LS), he is more or less asking rayn why he's voting LS.
But I also know geript is a fantastic mafia player, I feel he is very capable of adapting - I see why you are saying mafia won't bus d1, but geript is someone I can see snowballing early as mafia (reference Jack of all Trades) based on gameplay. I can see him bus a fellow mafia d1 if it greatly benefits him.
I also felt the "less than LS question" was awkwardly worded but I could be misreading that.
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A town geript might be asking rayn that question to get information about rayn but I believe those two have been around each other that geript normally shouldn't have to ask that question.
But let me double check the context.
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Alright, he's not doing that at all. But I am finding this sentence very tenuous after reading it three times.
On September 15 2015 10:46 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? When he's town he'll still follow the leader, but he'll generally over talk about a random reason he's thought against it. A less than LS question.
So clearly this is a meta read based on then "when he's town" part but the rest makes no sense to me. Particularly going from the second half of that sentence to "a less than LS question" and how he's able to break the meta down this much.
Rayn/Rels pushing him was 100x clearer. Maybe this is just me having major problems with his phrasing but honestly this is how I'm reading it.
To me pushing LS is engaging with LS, not asking someone else about him, but simply my interpretation there.
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40-second ninja. Alright.
I see what you are saying. I feel in any case based on my experience with him, I need to see more from him before I townread him let alone being confident in that townread.
I am also aware he does get mislynched D1 when too many people misunderstand him (this has happened in Carnaval and some newbie game I forget the number) so I certainly will not vote him when I have stronger suspicions on others (Shining/LS).
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I'm saying he is very capable of adapting/breaking meta even if the strategy might look suboptimal.
Let me check his history.
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On September 15 2015 23:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 22:54 Half the Sky wrote:
I also felt the "less than LS question" was awkwardly worded but I could be misreading that. I think it's his way of saying LS wouldn't have asked this question as town.
Fair enough. Then I probably was reading way too much into the question.
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Sweet! Found the JOAT posts in question. Hold on.
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The mafia team in JOAT was 6-person - geript, sandroba, keirathi, kurumi, slam, LS
On March 04 2015 04:20 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
your mom - kill with fire right fucking now
sandroba
kita
batsnacks
i don't know about the rest but somewhere between
Onegu/Koshi/Slam/Sepulchre/Damdred/Robert. My order: Koshi--Bitch plz Onegu--I'm actually really glad you brought him up. I had kinda forgotten about him. That's actually quite telling. Sandroba--I think there's better ways of finding his alignment but probably not a bad shotYour Mom--Maybe rayn is right. Maybe rayn is crazy. Those are the only people I really agree with. Robik is kinda tbd but his townlist is pretty solid for the most part I think. Slam's town. I remember thinking Damdred was town.
On March 04 2015 04:37 geript wrote:
Ok so basically it boils down to 1 simple thing. Syllogism is in this game. There's literally no one in the world that has ever or will ever read Sandroba as well as Syllogism. So if we leave Sandro alive N1 and he doesn't receive a power, then we auto lynch him. If he does receive a power, we evaluate both his use of it and what power was given. Like it's complete win/win.
This game was a themed game and a little different but this read (second quote) was also dependent on the town spirit in this game getting his shit wrong - and that he did quite badly. But the point I'm trying to illustrate is that here (and in a few reads on mafia Slam) where he went back and forth on him, he will call attention to his scummates.
He did NOT hard push those two as he did others in that game, but like I said, I felt what he did was in the realm of possibilities. Therefore I want to see more before I feel more confident.
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I could just be flat out wrong on this or just overthinking/paranoid like I did the last sentence on LS. But I just want to make it clear this is going through my head given what he's capable of as mafia, if he is mafia.
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Need to get back to work and get some things done here but questions, shout.
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