[15:38:01] <marvellosity> hey
[15:38:20] <marvellosity> basically popping on to say i'm not gonna be here for most of the evening xD
[15:38:41] <marvellosity> oh you made everything already. nice
[16:18:35] <Palmar> I know
[16:18:39] <Palmar> also you have to have a cover
[16:18:42] <Palmar> if you roll mafia in that other game
[16:24:42] <marvellosity> hahahaha
[16:24:46] <marvellosity> that's definitely it
[16:25:18] <Palmar> incidentally
[16:25:21] <Palmar> I am super busy tonight
[16:25:37] <marvellosity> i'm actually super busy in general
[16:25:42] <marvellosity> not sure why i'm hosting and playing at the same time
[16:25:50] <marvellosity> i'm literally afk all weekend...
[16:25:56] <marvellosity> dunno if you want to draft in another cohost
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[06:09:32] <marv|work> what a pain
[06:09:52] <marv|work> just so we're on the same page - i'm counting not getting lynched d1 as 100% success for me here
[06:10:07] <Palmar> if you don't want the long game
[06:10:13] <marv|work> nothing to do with want
[06:10:17] <Palmar> well ok
[06:10:21] <marv|work> i can't, i don't have the motivation
[06:10:24] <Palmar> like I don't mind one way or the other
[06:10:28] <Palmar> I can bus you right now
[06:10:34] <Palmar> or I can townread you
[06:10:39] <marv|work> well
[06:10:55] <marv|work> you could wait a little and kinda do your "write off marv as town for now" thing and then go at me during night or something?
[06:11:05] <Palmar> sure
[06:11:19] <Palmar> waffle during night is also an option
[06:11:24] <Palmar> without lynching you after that
[06:11:25] <marv|work> yes, either is good
[06:11:34] <marv|work> i just think rayn/jat/koshi will lynch me d2
[06:11:36] <marv|work> regardless of what you do
[06:11:37] <Palmar> yes
[06:11:42] <Palmar> which is why I have to get in front of it
[06:11:54] <Palmar> like there's two options here
[06:11:57] <marv|work> problem is you can get me lynched d1
[06:11:59] <marv|work> quite easily
[06:11:59] <Palmar> 1) you don't get lynched
[06:12:08] <Palmar> 2) I get you lynched to jump to #1 town
[06:12:20] <Palmar> the third alternative
[06:12:24] <Palmar> 3) rayn gets you lynched
[06:12:27] <Palmar> is totally awful
[06:12:39] <marv|work> yes
[06:12:41] <Palmar> do you have a role?
[06:12:47] <marv|work> no
[06:12:57] <Palmar> janitor is so useless
[06:14:08] <marv|work> our roles suck
[06:14:24] <marv|work> if there's a cop i'ma be furious
[06:14:48] <marv|work> what do you do
[06:14:57] <marv|work> use janitor n1 on the assumption if there's a vigi they shoot then?
[06:15:35] <Palmar> sure
[06:15:42] <Palmar> like no reason not to use it
[06:15:46] <marv|work> like there's no other point to it is there
[06:15:48] <Palmar> but what is town gonna think?
[06:15:49] <Palmar> yeah
[06:15:54] <marv|work> it's just a gamble of there being a vigi and it being used
[06:16:09] <marv|work> also i guess if we luck out and flip a role, we can claim it
[06:16:13] <marv|work> so the sooner we do that, the better
[06:16:53] <Palmar> I don't actually get the flips
[06:16:54] <Palmar> I think
[06:17:02] <marv|work> that can't be right
[06:17:11] <marv|work> we have to get the flips
[06:21:24] <Palmar> I'm afraid I'm running out of mafia
[06:21:40] <Palmar> I've taken you/rayn/koshi/ceph/moosy off the table
[06:21:43] <Palmar> I can waffle some in
[06:21:48] <Palmar> but I have to not townread too many others
[06:23:21] <marv|work> mm
[06:23:45] <marv|work> tbh i don't see how to win this almost, cephiro is playing tonwier than he normally does (already 5x more posts than normal), same with ritoky, same with damdred
[06:23:50] <marv|work> why can't ritoky be his usual liability
[06:24:46] <Palmar> we just need a play
[06:24:49] <Palmar> there are a few options
[06:24:59] <marv|work> wile e coyote is gonna die fast too
[06:25:02] <marv|work> he's just being terrible
[06:25:03] <Palmar> yes
[06:25:08] <Palmar> but again, we can get ahead of it
[06:25:10] <marv|work> those fucking "it's a test" comments
[06:25:12] <marv|work> always come from mafia
[06:25:33] <Palmar> Like you've already set yourself up to bus him if you want to
[06:25:45] <marv|work> yes
[06:25:49] <marv|work> the problem is we can't lose him today
[06:26:07] <marv|work> being right won't save me from a lynch, it'll have almost no effect on what people read me as
[06:26:21] <Palmar> does he have a role?
[06:26:26] <marv|work> roleblocker...
[06:26:33] <Palmar> oh
[06:26:36] <Palmar> yeah that's bad
[06:26:36] <marv|work> ya
[06:26:46] <marv|work> thing is, i have this vision
[06:26:50] <marv|work> we don't bus him
[06:26:55] <marv|work> town runs out of options at EOD
[06:26:57] <marv|work> end up on him
[06:27:06] <Palmar> yeah that can't happen
[06:27:12] <marv|work> literally everyone else is playing
[06:27:15] <marv|work> which never happens :p
[06:27:21] <marv|work> so he is actually THE default right now
[06:27:37] <Palmar> well
[06:27:39] <Palmar> warwaffle
[06:27:46] <Palmar> and onegu
[06:27:55] <Palmar> are town trash
[06:30:12] <marv|work> ah yes onegu
[06:30:21] <marv|work> how do you lead on onegu tho
[06:30:23] <marv|work> ugh
[06:30:32] <marv|work> and my boss it away all day which means i'm much more stretched which is really annoying
[07:21:05] <Palmar> what stance to take on this raynjat thing
[07:21:24] <marv|work> do you have to take one?
[07:21:43] <marv|work> it depends what you want to do with jat
[07:21:50] <Palmar> not really
[07:21:56] <Palmar> like I'm firmly in rayn's pocketg
[07:22:10] <Palmar> but I don't think a you/jat vs me/rayn thing is going to be super productive
[07:22:13] <Palmar> I guess I can just ignore it
[07:22:28] <marv|work> you ignore 95% of shit when you are town
[07:22:32] <marv|work> 99% when you are tunnelling someone
[07:23:03] <Palmar> lol
[07:23:31] <Palmar> rayn is doing his best rayn impression
[07:23:33] <Palmar> it's fantastic
[07:23:45] <marv|work> it's always fun to watch
[08:00:51] <marv|work> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494010-completely-normal-generic-mini-mafia?page=34#661
[08:00:55] <marv|work> see why didn't you just townread me
[08:09:49] <Palmar> I am townreading you?
[08:10:38] <Palmar> or I'm doing exactly what we talked about
[08:10:44] <Palmar> do the wait and see
[08:19:25] <marv|work> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494010-completely-normal-generic-mini-mafia?page=34#670
[08:19:26] <marv|work> sweet
[08:41:40] <Palmar> I will never be able to do the whole "don't antagonize rayn = free townread" thing
[08:41:49] <marv|work> hmm?
[08:42:18] <Palmar> he's literally townreading me for not being a dick to him
[08:43:10] <marv|work> did your last sentence miss an "again"? or am i missing something
[08:43:25] <Palmar> yes
[08:43:30] <Palmar> it was implied
[08:43:49] <marv|work> bloody non-natives
[08:44:13] <Palmar> nah that was just a good old-fashioned "forgot to type the word and pressed enter too quickly"
[08:44:15] <Palmar> not a grammar thing
[08:44:32] <Palmar> the "it was implied" thing was a joke
[08:44:53] <marv|work> oh
[08:44:54] <marv|work> 
[08:46:00] <marv|work> this is going better than expected so far
[08:46:03] <marv|work> it's all downhill from here
[09:05:43] <Palmar> you have any idea what rayn is on about?
[09:05:50] <marv|work> no
[09:05:53] <marv|work> i can't understand his viewpoint either
[09:05:56] <marv|work> if he's lying he should be mafia
[09:06:13] <marv|work> that's precisely the thing you'd lie about as mafia if you tohught you might get away with it
[09:06:17] <Palmar> I'm kinda proud of the post you quoted
[09:06:29] <marv|work> you're doing well
[09:06:36] <Palmar> last minute edited it to add the "or rather, I believe you believe what you're saying"
[09:06:40] <Palmar> I thought that was a nice touch
[09:06:44] <marv|work> haha
[09:07:01] <marv|work> tbh the fact i'm with you has added to my motivation somewhat, just because i know i can bitch/talk about stuff here
[09:08:02] <Palmar> 
[09:08:56] <marv|work> ridic tough town though
[09:09:04] <Palmar> yes
[09:09:06] <Palmar> well
[09:09:13] <Palmar> we're sorta helping them get organized
[09:09:17] <Palmar> which is an interesting strategy
[09:09:28] <marv|work> we are?
[09:09:49] <Palmar> absolutely
[09:10:03] <Palmar> neither of us has taken a stance that truly antagonizes any of the town leaders
[09:10:13] <marv|work> that's because i can't
[09:10:18] <marv|work> i never can
[09:10:40] <marv|work> my towngame is SO predictable
[09:11:37] <Palmar> you overanalyse yourself
[09:11:46] <Palmar> like you can get away with more than you think
[09:12:59] <marv|work> your play is way more capricious than mine in general, though
[09:13:22] <Palmar> you still overanalyze yourself
[09:17:58] <marv|work> you're almost being too reasonable now
[09:19:07] <Palmar>
[09:19:18] <Palmar> it'd be nice to drop that townread
[09:19:32] <marv|work> yep
[09:19:37] <marv|work> i went about it a bit more brutally than you
[09:25:32] <Palmar> I think both ways are fine
[09:25:46] <marv|work> ya
[12:26:39] <marv|work> pretty good read geript has on you
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[05:22:02] <marv|work> so what do i need to do for a votecount in SOTW? there's 2 thingies?
[05:54:10] <Palmar> how far do I push this
[05:54:24] <marv|work> depends if you're afraid one of us will get lynched
[05:54:51] <Palmar> do you think you can reasonably explain yourself while simultaneously getting a townread on me if I tunnel this?
[05:55:10] <marv|work> not sure about the townread on you, no
[05:55:14] <marv|work> because you attack me a lot when you are mafia
[05:55:24] <Palmar> no one else knows that
[05:55:29] <Palmar> the point is
[05:55:44] <Palmar> can I set this up for the benefit of both of us to look like the jat push from last game
[05:55:49] <Palmar> 1) I see something and I run with it
[05:55:55] <Palmar> 2) you act all reasonable
[05:56:03] <Palmar> 3) I'm forced to admit you're being reasonable
[05:56:07] <Palmar> 4) we both look better
[05:56:14] <marv|work> lol @ 3
[05:56:16] <marv|work> you do that?
[05:56:22] <Palmar> I did it with JAT last game
[05:56:31] <Palmar> I'd basically be trying to copy that
[05:56:46] <marv|work> right
[05:56:55] <marv|work> kinda up to you really
[05:56:59] <marv|work> i'll be lynched tomorrow regardless
[05:57:02] <Palmar> It feels risky
[05:57:09] <Palmar> but I almost wanna try it
[05:57:14] <Palmar> this town is so annoyingly useful
[05:57:18] <marv|work> it is
[05:57:24] <marv|work> if you feel it sets you up better
[05:57:34] <Palmar> well worst case it gets me lynched
[05:59:19] <Palmar> which sets you up well
[05:59:27] <marv|work> no it doesn't
[05:59:31] <marv|work> i will die to tonereads
[05:59:34] <marv|work> effortreads
[05:59:36] <marv|work> lynching you is nothing
[05:59:44] <Palmar> ok
[05:59:46] <Palmar> well
[05:59:49] <Palmar> the main question to you
[06:00:11] <Palmar> Like I genuinely (4real) think that your last post was a mess up
[06:00:24] <Palmar> I am 90% sure it's a difference in understanding the argument
[06:00:27] <Palmar> but it's something I can tunnel
[06:00:49] <Palmar> can you explain why I am mistaken without calling me mafia?
[06:01:50] <Palmar> meh too late
[06:01:56] <Palmar> rayn already defused the situation
[06:01:56] <marv|work> my PC is breaking
[06:01:59] <marv|work> which means i'm rushed
[06:02:03] <marv|work> i can't even open notepad.
[06:02:12] <Palmar>
[06:29:59] <Palmar> rayn is mafia siding super hard this game
[06:30:13] <marv|work> because we've pocketed him
[06:30:23] <marv|work> he's looking for mafia in a sea of townies
[06:30:42] <Palmar> is he the n1 kill?
[06:30:49] <Palmar> also I kinda feel bad for wile
[06:30:58] <Palmar> it's gotta suck to be on a 3 man mafia team with us
[06:31:15] <marv|work> if he was less bad i'd feel less bad
[06:31:29] <marv|work> not sure that's what i mean
[06:31:32] <marv|work> you know what i'm saying
[06:31:36] <Palmar> yeah
[06:31:46] <marv|work> also dunno what you're talking about
[06:31:47] <marv|work> we're hilarious
[06:32:42] <Palmar> yeah he's probably refreshing the scum QT expecting advice/strategy every 5 minutes
[06:32:46] <Palmar> and instead it's just crickets
[06:32:50] <Palmar> because special irc buddies
[06:33:16] <marv|work> hahahaha
[06:33:36] <Palmar> also you took the wrong stance on waffle
[06:33:38] <Palmar> damn you
[06:33:50] <marv|work> onegu looks the towniest he's ever looked on d1 :/
[06:33:51] <Palmar> rayn already said he was town?
[06:36:17] <marv|work> so?
[06:36:24] <Palmar> oh well
[06:36:25] <Palmar> it's fine
[06:36:25] <marv|work> i can disagree with rayn np
[06:36:32] <Palmar> let's not jump too much at each other
[06:36:40] <Palmar> I was gonna scold onegu for going after waffle
[06:36:41] <marv|work> that's what me and rayn do when we're town together
[06:36:49] <marv|work> he goes off in lots of different directions and i pull him back from the wrong ones
[06:36:56] <Palmar> let's try to sweep this disagreement under the rug
[06:38:37] <marv|work> can't beleive i'm even posting this much
[06:39:36] <marv|work> something something pride not getting lynched day 1 something
[06:41:32] <Palmar> I have 6 pages already
[06:41:48] <marv|work> wtf
[06:41:52] <marv|work> how do you have more posts than me
[06:43:00] <Palmar> such effort
[06:43:01] <Palmar> wow
[06:43:19] <marv|work> and we'll still lose ignomoniously
[06:43:23] <Palmar> sure
[06:43:37] <Palmar> but it's more fun to play assuming you'll lose
[06:43:40] <marv|work> i'm sure a positive potato when i roll scum
[06:43:43] <marv|work> *such
[06:43:49] <Palmar> because if you know you're going to lose
[06:44:00] <Palmar> your attitude can be "might as well have some fun while I do it"
[06:44:09] <marv|work> i think "i'll just go do something else"
[06:44:09] <marv|work> haha
[06:44:28] <Palmar> like sometimes I just start doing insane things to see if I can get away with it
[06:44:56] <Palmar> wanna just bus coyote?
[06:45:02] <Palmar> that'd be fun
[06:45:05] <marv|work> it's not really a winning move
[06:45:11] <Palmar> I know
[06:45:13] <Palmar> or well
[06:45:15] <Palmar> it could be
[06:46:06] <marv|work> would you have the motivation to ride it out to lylo?
[06:46:14] <marv|work> because i'll still die d3 or so
[06:46:36] <Palmar> sure
[06:46:38] <Palmar> but still
[06:46:50] <marv|work> not caught up yet anyway
[06:46:51] <Palmar> I need to take a side I think
[06:47:03] <Palmar> I feel like I'm being too undecisive
[06:47:15] <marv|work> you are
[07:14:25] <marv|work> oh yeah right, so i need to do 2 votecounts for SOTW?
[07:29:43] <Palmar> totally
[07:29:55] <marv|work> ok
[07:32:19] <Palmar> sweet defense of me
[07:32:20] <Palmar> gj
[07:32:25] <Palmar> that sounded very normal marv
[07:32:37] <marv|work> jat's on to me
[07:32:39] <marv|work> but nvm
[07:32:44] <Palmar> jat is mafia, remember.
[07:32:57] <Palmar> let's make wile claim cop
[07:36:49] <Palmar> do I bus you?
[07:37:02] <marv|work> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494815-season-of-the-witch-voting-thread#11
[07:37:07] <marv|work> is that about right?
[07:37:12] <marv|work> no, i wouldn't today
[07:37:23] <Palmar> advice please, how to respond to koshi
[07:37:47] <marv|work> "no"?
[07:37:56] <Palmar> is that not scummy?
[07:37:58] <Palmar> ok
[07:39:31] <Palmar> If they lynch you and I'm against it the game is over
[07:39:38] <Palmar> but I guess that's a risk we take
[07:40:19] <marv|work> game is over anyway if they lynch me today probably
[07:40:29] <Palmar> Well now it is
[07:41:54] <marv|work> was that votecount right
[07:42:34] <Palmar> it looked right
[07:47:14] <Palmar> meeeehhh
[07:47:18] <Palmar> can you dig yourself out of this
[07:47:39] <marv|work> probably not
[07:47:46] <marv|work> don't think the rest of town will necessarily go for it tohugh
[07:47:50] <Palmar> ok
[07:48:00] <Palmar> why don't you just go argue it
[07:48:02] <Palmar> like hardcore
[07:48:03] <Palmar> get mad
[07:48:09] <marv|work> cba
[07:48:10] <Palmar> call one of them mafia
[07:48:12] <Palmar> no do it
[07:48:17] <Palmar> it'll be hilarious
[07:48:20] <marv|work> yeah but
[07:48:21] <marv|work> i cba
[07:48:22] <Palmar> no
[07:48:23] <Palmar> do it
[07:48:25] <Palmar> lazy fuck
[07:48:27] <Palmar> call jat mafia
[07:48:31] <Palmar> he's been so background
[07:48:36] <Palmar> now he's jumping you for shit reasons
[07:48:45] <Palmar> this isn't even close to normal reasonable town jat
[07:48:50] <Palmar> don't listen to counterpoints
[07:48:54] <Palmar> geript knows you're town
[07:48:56] <Palmar> rayn knows you're town
[07:49:09] <Palmar> koshi is chronically bad
[07:49:14] <Palmar> it's jat who is the culprit here
[07:50:59] <marv|work> right
[07:51:00] <marv|work> fine
[07:51:13] <Palmar> yeah go out of your element
[07:51:18] <Palmar> see if no one knows wtf is up
[07:51:19] <Palmar> it's fine
[07:51:53] <Palmar> feisty
[07:51:55] <Palmar> I like it
[08:05:51] <Palmar> that jat response is interesting
[08:06:20] <marv|work> is it?
[08:06:21] <Palmar> because you're burying himm
[08:06:25] <marv|work> ah
[08:06:27] <Palmar> (or well, trying to)
[08:06:34] <Palmar> and that's what his predicted town marv reaction is
[08:06:39] <Palmar> so he SHOULD townread you
[08:06:51] <Palmar> on the basis that you're tyring to bury him
[08:07:48] <marv|work> volume post is all wrong anyway
[08:07:50] <marv|work> i'll have what
[08:07:52] <marv|work> 8 pages EOD?
[08:07:56] <marv|work> and i was away for both evenings so far
[08:08:03] <Palmar> yes
[08:08:12] <Palmar> which is far less than the 21 pages from last game
[08:08:13] <Palmar> gaiden
[08:08:17] <Palmar> or something
[08:08:21] <marv|work> 20 pages over 2 cycles
[08:08:28] <Palmar> oh wait
[08:08:32] <Palmar> yeah you died n2
[08:08:34] <marv|work> ergo this rate of posting
[08:08:41] <marv|work> although i didn't post for the last 48h
[08:08:42] <marv|work> lol
[08:08:44] <Palmar> after which I carried the game on my broken bac
[08:08:48] <Palmar> thanks palmar
[08:08:50] <marv|work> gj brah
[08:44:03] <Palmar> fight the power
[08:44:09] <Palmar> you are your usual townie self
[08:44:33] <Palmar> that wasn't a poor reaction, that was the reasonable reaction to being called mafia unreasonably
[08:44:49] <Palmar> you're tired of people calling you mafia when you're not
[09:33:14] <Palmar> your countdown is wrong
[09:33:16] <Palmar> day is 72h
[09:39:50] <marv|work> oh
[11:23:20] <marv|work> dunno how i fooled rayn so hard for now
[11:24:07] <Palmar> yes
[11:24:12] <Palmar> rayn is so pocketed
[11:27:45] <Palmar> who do we shoot
[11:27:51] <Palmar> so many people that need to be shot
[11:27:57] <marv|work> not sure
[11:28:11] <Palmar> I guess we shoot and jan for no particular reason
[11:28:46] <marv|work> yep.
[11:28:57] <marv|work> we can kinda just yolo our shot late on depending on how we feel
[11:30:11] <Palmar> yeah
[11:31:24] <Palmar> at least we're somewhat building a voting block
[11:31:35] <Palmar> me you rayn, maybe we're winning over moosy and damdy
[11:31:44] <Palmar> geript is also humping your leg
[11:31:58] <Palmar> warwaffle is useless, onegu thinks I'm town
[11:32:08] <Palmar> the danger zone is koshi/jat/ritoky
[11:36:24] <marv|work> yeah damdy didn't like jat's push on me
[11:36:33] <Palmar> moosy didn't either
[11:36:40] <Palmar> like jat is not coming clean out of this
[11:36:47] <Palmar> I'm afraid of rayn though
[11:36:50] <Palmar> he might pick up
[11:36:56] <marv|work> he will
[11:36:59] <marv|work> we should probably shoot him tbh
[11:37:13] <Palmar> level 2 play
[11:37:22] <marv|work> he's very wrong now
[11:37:26] <marv|work> but he never stays very wrong
[11:38:14] <marv|work> with any luck people might think i'm being setup
[11:50:13] <Palmar> rofl
[11:50:22] <Palmar> rayn's first 3 names
[11:50:39] <marv|work> isn't it glorious
[11:50:44] <Palmar> it's perfect
[11:50:46] <Palmar> I almost feel bad
[12:16:47] <marv|work> well at least everyone will know i will be super easy to catch next scumgame
[12:16:54] <marv|work> this is my 1/4 game of vaguely attempting to play
[12:17:13] <Palmar> geript thinks I'm town
[12:17:18] <Palmar> this is going surprisingly well
[12:17:21] <Palmar> keep at it.
[12:18:46] <Palmar> I think we have a good amount of interaction
[12:19:29] <marv|work> yeah, we've done quite well
[12:19:39] <marv|work> i think i kinda managed to seed my strengthening townread on you alright
[12:19:52] <marv|work> of course if you flip before me it's a disaster
[12:19:58] <marv|work> if i flip before you it's great for you
[12:21:11] <Palmar> not great
[12:21:13] <Palmar> but manageable
[12:21:22] <Palmar> might become great if I do the night-shift waffle
[12:22:07] <marv|work> best thing about night-shift waffle is that you're not committed to it
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[17:33:05] <marvellosity> hey
[17:33:08] <marvellosity> who got lynched?
[17:33:20] <Palmar> I think it was moosy
[17:33:27] <Palmar> tied with jat with my vote
[17:33:30] <Palmar> but obviously got there first
[17:33:44] <Palmar> your vote was late
[17:33:50] <Palmar> I'm going to call you out on it
[17:33:52] <marvellosity> i thought the deadline
[17:33:53] <marvellosity> was 11
[17:34:10] <Palmar> But I'll mainly use the night to do it
[17:34:18] <Palmar> like tomorrow it's business time again
[17:34:19] <marvellosity> like i literally thought i had half an hour
[17:34:24] <Palmar> I set geript up
[17:34:31] <Palmar> or well I set myself up to flip on geript
[17:34:35] <Palmar> and wile is getting townreads
[17:34:41] <marvellosity> yes
[17:34:43] <marvellosity> well done by him
[17:34:45] <Palmar> yeah
[17:34:48] <marvellosity> tbh
[17:34:54] <marvellosity> this is actually a super high quality game at the moment
[17:34:58] <Palmar> did you see "how to live your life" post
[17:35:13] <marvellosity> town are productive, mafia are holding them off
[17:35:15] <marvellosity> i'll go look
[17:35:23] <Palmar> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24865910
[17:35:24] <Palmar> the sass
[17:35:29] <Palmar> it's seething out of him
[17:35:48] <marvellosity> hahahaha
[17:35:50] <marvellosity> yes just found it myself
[17:35:54] <Palmar> so good
[17:36:02] <marvellosity> really actually is
[17:36:12] <marvellosity> it's just so perfect lol
[17:50:33] <marvellosity> great wifom post from rayn tbh
[17:50:48] <Palmar> yes
[17:51:04] <marvellosity> i literally went through the wifom process
[17:51:07] <marvellosity> so i know it's a good post
[17:51:08] <marvellosity> lol
[17:51:12] <Palmar>
[17:51:20] <Palmar> he's not a mason
[17:51:26] <Palmar> no one has views that line up with his
[17:51:33] <Palmar> or well, if he is a mason, he's not using that
[17:51:37] <marvellosity> mm
[17:51:38] <Palmar> like they're not communicating
[17:51:42] <marvellosity> i know what you mean
[17:51:52] <marvellosity> no ally on moosy?
[17:52:03] <Palmar> well
[17:52:06] <Palmar> some allies on moosy
[17:52:09] <Palmar> but other than that
[17:52:10] <Palmar> meh
[17:52:18] <Palmar> like the closest thing to a consensus man with rayn is damdy
[17:52:23] <Palmar> or us, obviously
[17:52:32] <marvellosity> hmm
[17:52:39] <marvellosity> best shoot one of us, we're unlikely to be protected
[17:52:44] <Palmar> yep
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[06:51:19] <Palmar> we should get in there
[06:51:29] <marv|work> hmm?
[06:51:40] <Palmar> oh you're already in there
[06:51:41] <Palmar> good
[06:52:21] <marv|work> i've no idea what you're on about, but i'm glad you're happy
[06:52:38] <Palmar> last I checked the thread was super slow
[06:52:42] <Palmar> but that was maybe 90 minutes ago
[06:52:50] <Palmar> since then there's like 4 pages and you're not afk
[06:52:56] <Palmar> which means it's just me that needs to get in there
[06:53:00] <marv|work> ah
[06:53:06] <marv|work> yes i found some new energy this morning
[06:53:09] <marv|work> always good
[06:53:14] <Palmar> well the game is going relatively well
[06:53:18] <marv|work> yes
[06:53:23] <Palmar> dismiss the SL thing as ridiculous?
[06:53:25] <marv|work> i've started getting the annoying feeling that i really want to win
[06:53:51] <marv|work> you can if you want, but jat is kinda bang on with what he said lol
[06:54:07] <Palmar> sure
[06:54:27] <Palmar> but we'll just get SL (I've thought it was sl for quite a long time after he said "I've never lost mafia game with either of you" in the QT)
[06:54:42] <Palmar> to forcefully deny it
[06:54:50] <marv|work> sure thing
[06:54:54] <marv|work> that 'veg' thing though
[06:54:57] <Palmar> which means jat would be asking us to lynch a guy on speculation
[06:55:35] <marv|work> SOTW is IML yea?
[06:55:51] <Palmar> yes
[06:55:57] <Palmar> but remember
[06:55:59] <Palmar> a deadlinevote
[06:56:03] <Palmar> is only counted at deadline
[06:56:08] <marv|work> oh
[06:56:15] <marv|work> fuck this is complex
[06:56:19] <Palmar> well it's kinda smart
[06:56:25] <Palmar> it's a self-solving "shorten the day" solution
[06:56:33] <Palmar> if they want shorter days, they just hammer a bitch
[06:56:42] <Palmar> otherwise it's really just a deadline majority
[06:57:05] <marv|work> why is rayn unvoting damdred, he has to know he is mafia
[06:57:19] <Palmar> I'm paying literally 0 attention
[06:57:23] <Palmar> I have no idea
[06:57:30] <marv|work> me neither
[06:57:35] <marv|work> not opened the thread other than to post a votecount
[06:57:37] <marv|work> lol
[06:57:47] <marv|work> but damdred has like 2 posts.
[06:57:49] <Palmar> haha
[06:58:54] <marv|work> we are terrible hosts
[06:59:32] <marv|work> if there's a vig, i can see wile dying tonight
[06:59:35] <marv|work> definitely need janitor
[06:59:38] <Palmar> yes
[06:59:43] <Palmar> who do we shoot?
[06:59:44] <Palmar> rayn?
[06:59:48] <Palmar> it's the safest play
[06:59:55] <Palmar> but man I'd like to not have to deal with koshi
[06:59:55] <marv|work> would geript-mafia shoot rayn?
[07:00:05] <Palmar> sure, rayn is calling geript mafia
[07:00:07] <marv|work> koshi is a great medic dodge
[07:00:20] <marv|work> but i'm very scared of rayn starting to piece things together eventually
[07:00:26] <Palmar> yes
[07:00:33] <Palmar> ritoky would be a good medic dodge tbh
[07:00:39] <marv|work> i thought about that
[07:00:43] <marv|work> the thing about hitting ritoky
[07:00:47] <Palmar> is that it points to me
[07:00:53] <marv|work> is that people WILL, and lots of them, start saying that it's a vet-heavy mafia team
[07:01:00] <marv|work> that's what happens when a non-vet gets hit in a vet-heavy game
[07:01:29] <marv|work> vet/strong player/prominent or well known player, you get the idea
[07:01:35] <Palmar> yes
[07:02:17] <marv|work> playing mafia with you is kinda tricky, because we're so forced to tie ourselves to each other
[07:02:33] <Palmar> it's fine though
[07:02:45] <Palmar> I'd rather play mafia with you than play mafia against you
[07:02:46] <Palmar>
[07:03:11] <Palmar> it's enought to have to deal with rayn, koshi, jat
[07:03:15] <Palmar> if marv was in there too
[07:03:23] <Palmar> I'd have just gone afk and see how long I'd last on that
[07:03:26] <marv|work> the reason i won so much games of scum is in large part because i don't let my team collapse like a stack of cards with associations (i remember very distinctly one large normal where everyone on HF's team got tied to him and they literally all fell at once)
[07:03:43] <marv|work> afk good strat
[07:04:34] <marv|work> and yes, so would i
[07:04:56] <marv|work> i'm a lot less stressed than i normally am.
[07:05:11] <Palmar> well winning rayn over and not having to deal with you
[07:05:18] <Palmar> has been exceptionally motivating
[07:05:27] <marv|work> it does help
[07:05:32] <Palmar> also resisting the urge to bus there yesterday
[07:05:44] <Palmar> there was a time when two-three people were in the thread calling for our collective heads
[07:05:52] <Palmar> and it just kinda passed by
[07:05:56] <Palmar> because we didn't panic
[07:06:14] <marv|work> yep
[07:06:17] <marv|work> it's so easy to overreact
[07:06:34] <marv|work> fortunately noone listens to a word koshi says
[10:41:19] <marv|work> well done
[10:41:40] <marv|work> attacking jat makes a lot of sense in the context of the game
[10:42:05] <Palmar> you're not being sarcastic, right?
[10:42:13] <marv|work> no
[10:42:18] <Palmar> good
[10:42:26] <Palmar> I felt like I had to take some sort of a stance
[10:42:35] <Palmar> can't just nod along till we all get lynched
[10:42:38] <Palmar> even if he's wrong
[10:42:46] <Palmar> I'm gonna argue that he should be wrong in a different way or he's mafia
[10:42:48] <marv|work> agreed
[10:42:56] <marv|work> it makes the web a lot more tangled, can only be good
[10:43:48] <Palmar> what does nai mean?
[10:43:51] <marv|work> we're also agreeing on the right number of things
[10:44:04] <marv|work> which should lead you to having some good feelings about me :p
[10:44:07] <marv|work> not admissable
[10:44:12] <marv|work> non admissable
[10:44:15] <marv|work> something like that
[10:47:51] <Palmar> I keep worrying about townreading too many people
[10:47:56] <Palmar> but tbh, I'm barely townreading any
[10:48:01] <Palmar> my one strong townread is rayn
[10:48:16] <Palmar> I have a semi-disposable townread on damdy and wile
[10:48:23] <Palmar> I already dumped my townread on geript
[10:48:27] <Palmar> oh koshi is a townread
[10:48:32] <marv|work> yeah
[10:48:41] <marv|work> rayn/koshi/ritoky i guess for me?
[10:48:55] <Palmar> I'm not gonna commit to a ritoky townread
[10:48:59] <Palmar> I'm gonna pretend to not read him
[10:49:06] <Palmar> but yeah
[10:49:21] <Palmar> like I'm gonna pull him out of a hat at some point and go
[10:49:26] <Palmar> "hay ritoky has really dropped off
[10:49:32] <Palmar> "and he called me mafia"
[10:49:33] <marv|work> yeah
[10:49:35] <marv|work> if he does drop off
[10:49:38] <Palmar> he has
[10:49:40] <Palmar> or well
[10:49:42] <marv|work> he has literally never been this townie btw
[10:49:49] <Palmar> I can easily paint the picture that he has
[10:49:56] <marv|work> remember the game rayn bussed jat and onegu
[10:49:58] <Palmar> that's ok, townpalmar doesn't read the posts of peasants
[10:50:01] <marv|work> how absolutely shit ritoky was
[10:50:02] <Palmar> xxx
[10:50:03] <Palmar> yes
[10:50:07] <Palmar> he was worst
[10:50:16] <marv|work> like
[10:50:19] <marv|work> his one read was 100% town onegu
[10:50:26] <Palmar> who are we shooting?
[10:50:32] <marv|work> here he's doing all kinds of shit and it's not even remotely scummy, very annoying
[10:50:36] <marv|work> erm
[10:50:49] <Palmar> also, who is rayn saying is his mason partner?
[10:50:53] <marv|work> dunno
[10:50:59] <Palmar> he left you that message
[10:51:01] <Palmar> did you miss it?
[10:51:18] <marv|work> no i saw it
[10:51:36] <Palmar> did you tell him you didn't get it?
[10:51:44] <marv|work> no
[10:51:52] <Palmar> I _think_ you should
[10:52:03] <marv|work> do we just hit rayn and hope for the best?
[10:52:11] <Palmar> that's one option
[10:52:12] <marv|work> like we don't lose a ml by missing one shot
[10:52:15] <Palmar> could backfire terribly
[10:52:28] <Palmar> although we can just claim the doc
[10:52:30] <marv|work> no doctor.
[10:52:35] <Palmar> or jk
[10:52:43] <marv|work> no jk.
[10:52:48] <marv|work> there isn't a protective role except vet
[10:52:54] <marv|work> literally just checking as we speak
[10:53:18] <Palmar> well then we just shoot hi
[10:53:20] <marv|work> so worst case scenario
[10:53:22] <marv|work> rayn is vet
[10:53:23] <Palmar> we can roleblock and shoot him
[10:53:27] <Palmar> like why not
[10:53:35] <Palmar> especially if roleblocks get notified
[10:53:36] <marv|work> hmm
[10:53:42] <marv|work> it's passive or
[10:53:42] <Palmar> because we don't want to give a claim like that to town
[10:53:49] <Palmar> idk
[10:53:50] <marv|work> yeah rb doesn't work
[10:53:56] <Palmar> well then yeah
[10:53:59] <Palmar> we have to shoot him anwyay
[10:54:01] <Palmar> at some point
[10:54:04] <marv|work> ya
[10:54:07] <Palmar> we're not gonna lynch rayn
[10:54:09] <marv|work> and ppl will think it validates his reads
[10:54:13] <marv|work> which are wrong
[10:54:24] <Palmar> there is a cop
[10:54:27] <Palmar> I'm afraid of the cop
[10:54:30] <Palmar> still
[10:54:33] <Palmar> he's only gonna get one of us
[10:54:37] <Palmar> main thing is to stay seperated
[10:54:41] <marv|work> bet there isn't a cop
[10:54:50] <Palmar> the miller just for lulz?
[10:54:55] <marv|work> yea
[10:55:08] <marv|work> seems megaharsh not to give us even a gf if there is a cop
[10:55:10] <Palmar> btw naive mason is a super strong role for town actually
[10:55:17] <Palmar> like much stronger than you'd think it is
[10:55:30] <marv|work> how
[10:55:32] <Palmar> rayn might be watched though
[10:55:37] <marv|work> true.
[10:55:40] <marv|work> piss
[10:55:46] <marv|work> that's actually a legit concern
[10:56:33] <marv|work> but we can't avoid rayn forever and we can't just cross our fingers that we miraculously lynch/shoot the watcher that we don't know exists
[10:56:44] <Palmar> yes
[10:56:48] <Palmar> still
[10:56:53] <Palmar> it's a high % thing
[10:57:01] <Palmar> if I am watcher this game, I'm on rayn or you
[10:57:23] <marv|work> same tomorrow
[10:57:25] <marv|work> and the day after
[10:57:30] <Palmar> yes
[10:57:32] <Palmar> well
[10:57:37] <Palmar> wandering townie claim it is
[10:57:46] <marv|work> i think we should hit rayn and you should carry the KP
[10:57:51] <Palmar> of course
[10:57:55] <Palmar> I need to jan him anyway
[10:58:05] <marv|work> isn't jan a general thing
[10:58:10] <marv|work> rather than targeted
[10:58:26] <Palmar> might be
[10:58:45] <Palmar> and yes, I should carry the kp
[10:58:53] <Palmar> because if I genuinely manage to turn it on
[10:58:53] <marv|work> because it hides all kills from the night
[10:58:58] <Palmar> you can save me
[10:59:02] <Palmar> even if we get caught
[10:59:12] <Palmar> I'll just go super town mode
[10:59:18] <marv|work> you will?
[10:59:20] <Palmar> maybe
[10:59:23] <Palmar> I'll try
[10:59:46] <Palmar> Like I'll do one of those classic day 2/day 3 super defenses of myself
[10:59:51] <Palmar> I love talking about myself anyway
[10:59:55] <Palmar> if I fake it well enough
[11:00:05] <Palmar> people might start going "I actually don't think palmar is mafia"
[11:00:11] <marv|work> if you fake it well enough i'll start getting paranoid of my read on you in future games :p
[11:02:21] <Palmar> I have a super read
[11:04:20] <marv|work> you what?
[11:07:03] <marv|work> so rbs only notified if the guy has an action
[11:07:04] <Palmar> or well
[11:07:10] <Palmar> ok
[11:07:18] <Palmar> then we just rng the rb basically
[11:07:42] <marv|work> hmm
[11:07:52] <marv|work> i guess ritoky isn't a roel
[11:07:54] <Palmar> we can't roleblock him too
[11:07:56] <marv|work> or if he is a role, it's veteran
[11:07:56] <Palmar> oh
[11:07:58] <Palmar> yeah
[11:08:03] <Palmar> well I suck at bluehunting
[11:08:10] <marv|work> he wouldn''t be playing much townier if he was a non-vet blue
[11:08:37] <marv|work> similarly i'm not sure damdred would have started the day so strongly
[11:08:54] <marv|work> i kinda like a jat or koshi roleblock
[11:09:02] <Palmar> those two would be ok
[11:09:08] <marv|work> jat for his suspicions on me, koshi for his on you
[11:09:19] <marv|work> saves us from a check or track or something
[11:12:35] <Palmar> if it's me who's going to deliver
[11:12:39] <Palmar> might as well block koshi
[11:12:59] <marv|work> because koshi would track you
[11:13:00] <marv|work> ok
[11:13:35] <marv|work> so palmar kill rayn, palmar janitor, wile rb koshi
[11:13:44] <marv|work> marv goon sit around jacking off
[11:13:46] <Palmar> something like that
[11:13:54] <Palmar> you better carry if we get caught
[11:14:10] <Palmar> also I've been setting up the super play for 2 years
[11:14:11] <marv|work> with me away for a solid 48h this weekend?
[11:14:13] <Palmar> I'll reveal it some day
[11:14:38] <marv|work> like i'm going out friday evening and taking acid, this is a proper afk deal lol
[11:14:58] <Palmar> enjoy!
[11:15:35] <marv|work> never had it before
[11:15:40] <marv|work> which is super dumb, as it's right up my alley
[11:24:12] <Palmar> did you know your wile quote thing is bs?▒
[11:24:21] <marv|work> is it?
[11:24:23] <Palmar> of course
[11:24:34] <marv|work> why
[11:24:34] <Palmar> the three names are three candidates with votes at the time
[11:24:47] <marv|work> so?
[11:24:49] <Palmar> he's literally saying of the wagons he wants the least to go for ceph
[11:24:57] <marv|work> if i declare someone confidently town then i don't put them as a preference
[11:25:00] <Palmar> which is 100% consistent with him thinking ceph won't flipmafia
[11:25:14] <Palmar> there are three wagons
[11:25:18] <marv|work> feel free to correct me, i make errors like that all the time
[11:25:20] <Palmar> he's putting them in order
[11:25:23] <Palmar> 1, 2, 3
[11:25:45] <marv|work> remember the csae i made a couple of games ago based on a completely incorrect read of someone's filter
[11:25:50] <marv|work> i just own up and move along
[11:26:44] <marv|work> if you could do that so i could do that
[11:26:47] <marv|work> that would be nice
[11:27:05] <marv|work> thx
[11:28:56] <marv|work> i could totes see us being lynched one after the other based on the line "they were far too comfortable talking to each other"
[11:29:12] <Palmar> we always are though
[11:29:16] <Palmar> I don't think people will read into it
[11:29:24] <marv|work> as town/scum?
[11:30:15] <Palmar> idk
[11:30:19] <Palmar> yeah that's a point
[11:30:24] <Palmar> well if I flip first
[11:30:26] <Palmar> it's a risk
[11:30:40] <Palmar> if you flip first I'll just say "I fucking knew it"
[11:30:43] <marv|work> me flipping first is 100% whawt we want
[11:30:46] <Palmar> and quote all the posts where I'm waffling on you
[11:30:50] <marv|work> so if it comes to the stage we're going all out at each other
[11:30:52] <Palmar> and ignore the ones where I'm not pushing you
[11:30:57] <marv|work> you have to win
[11:31:13] <Palmar> well we have 2 options
[11:31:26] <Palmar> I win, or you're convincing enough that you win and get massive cred
[11:31:35] <Palmar> like if you write a case similar to the championship case
[11:31:42] <marv|work> and then don't get hit with no doctors or jks subsequently?
[11:31:55] <Palmar> brush it off as wifom
[11:31:57] <Palmar> that's always the answer
[11:32:07] <Palmar> and yell super loudly if someone tries to lynch the guy who got me lynched
[11:32:12] <Palmar> take all the credit
[11:32:36] <marv|work> oh yeah i actually wrote a case on you
[11:32:42] <marv|work> how unusual
[11:32:48] <marv|work> sheepherding.
[11:33:00] <Palmar> I counted
[11:33:03] <Palmar> that was fun
[11:33:06] <Palmar> mod had to stop it
[11:33:12] <Palmar> spoiling my fun
[11:33:50] <marv|work> hahaha
[11:41:58] <marv|work> 12 pages for first cycle
[11:42:00] <marv|work> not a bad rate
[11:50:22] <Palmar> yeah
[11:50:27] <Palmar> you rack up pages amazingly fast
[11:50:33] <Palmar> I have 10 which is so much for me
[11:50:35] <marv|work> i double-triple post a lot
[11:51:17] <marv|work> funny thing is, i'm pretty sure my average wordcount per post is still longer than when i'm town
[11:51:35] <Palmar> I have a program that measures that
[11:51:39] <marv|work> i know
[11:51:39] <Palmar> but cba setting it up
[11:51:41] <marv|work> i was in a game you did it
[11:51:56] <marv|work> surprisingly my average was very low :p
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[05:37:45] <marv|work> ugh
[05:40:26] <marv|work> we're boned.
[05:47:42] <Palmar> are we?
[05:47:55] <marv|work> confirmed town running around everywhere
[05:48:33] <marv|work> bloody wile having the role that we actually need to use
[05:48:37] <marv|work> if i had rb none of this would happen
[05:48:55] <Palmar> yes
[05:49:00] <Palmar> still
[05:49:11] <Palmar> we'll kill jat and koshi
[05:49:15] <Palmar> and shout down everyone else
[05:49:28] <Palmar> we have to kill jat
[05:49:33] <marv|work> don't we kinda need to lynch jat
[05:49:39] <Palmar> no
[05:49:42] <Palmar> we just murder him
[05:49:43] <Palmar> and yell
[05:49:47] <Palmar> the problem will be tomorrow
[05:49:58] <Palmar> but I think we can outmuscle him with koshi gone
[05:50:05] <marv|work> ok
[05:50:18] <Palmar> Like this is the only winning strategy I see
[05:50:26] <Palmar> we kill koshi tonight. Confirmed blue and a pain in the ass
[05:50:32] <Palmar> scott thinks I'm town btw
[05:50:36] <Palmar> so does damdy
[05:50:39] <Palmar> we still have allies
[05:50:43] <marv|work> right
[05:50:48] <marv|work> but you're not really my ally
[05:50:54] <Palmar> no
[05:50:59] <Palmar> but I'm not going to lynch you
[05:50:59] <marv|work> do i have any?
[05:51:03] <Palmar> yes, geript
[05:51:14] <Palmar> but ok
[05:51:14] <marv|work> oh and i just agreed with damdred defending him
[05:51:17] <marv|work> that worked out then
[05:51:28] <Palmar> you can't throw me under the bus
[05:51:31] <Palmar> until the time is right
[05:51:41] <Palmar> like if jat and koshi are dead
[05:51:47] <Palmar> you CAN kill me first
[05:51:48] <Palmar> without dying
[05:51:52] <Palmar> so we just need them gone
[05:52:08] <Palmar> the others won't understand how ridiculous it is that town marv hard townread scum palmar
[05:52:23] <Palmar> But yeah the strategy is this
[05:52:34] <Palmar> today we shut down discussion (don't help them along)
[05:52:38] <Palmar> blame weekend, etc
[05:52:49] <marv|work> well
[05:52:52] <Palmar> tonight we shoot koshi
[05:52:54] <marv|work> i'm afk from when i finish work essentially
[05:52:57] <Palmar> yes
[05:53:02] <Palmar> that's good
[05:53:08] <Palmar> tomorrow is the hard day
[05:53:19] <Palmar> we have to get someone like ceph or geript or damdy lynched tomorrow
[05:53:41] <Palmar> we have to isolate jat and strip him of allies
[05:53:51] <Palmar> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24869946
[05:54:12] <Palmar> koshi kill points just as much to jat as it does to me
[05:54:25] <marv|work> mm
[05:54:26] <Palmar> like if we can lynch jat, that'd be great
[05:54:38] <marv|work> it's semi-tempting to kinda all-in on lynching jat
[05:54:52] <Palmar> yes that's a strategy, if you're around on sunday/monday
[05:54:58] <marv|work> oh yea
[05:54:59] <marv|work> ugh
[05:55:00] <Palmar> just build some ridiculous case
[05:55:06] <Palmar> damdy will run with it
[05:55:19] <Palmar> we're just gonna have to hope scott is actually 1 shot
[05:55:28] <Palmar> he should be
[05:55:35] <Palmar> 2 masons, vigi and tracker is a lot of blues
[05:55:53] <marv|work> it's obscene.
[05:55:58] <marv|work> it's already obscene
[05:56:05] <marv|work> it's totally imbalanced tbh
[05:56:27] <Palmar> yep
[05:56:37] <Palmar> (this is your people at work, the mafia nerfers)
[05:56:49] <marv|work> 2 blues is more than enough
[05:56:50] <marv|work> for 10-3
[05:56:53] <marv|work> and we got 4
[05:57:52] <Palmar> 2 strong blues
[05:57:56] <Palmar> or 3 semi weak ones
[05:58:15] <marv|work> not sure whether i should be arguing with jat now
[05:58:23] <Palmar> yes
[05:58:25] <Palmar> not with koshi alive
[05:58:45] <marv|work> hard to stop though
[05:59:56] <Palmar> did you accidentally defend me?
[06:01:10] <marv|work> huh?
[06:01:16] <marv|work> i've been calling you town
[06:01:20] <Palmar> he said he was better than me
[06:01:21] <marv|work> oh
[06:01:22] <marv|work> the joke
[06:01:32] <Palmar> ah I get it
[06:01:33] <marv|work> it was just convenient to needle him, but yes
[06:12:39] <marv|work> love this onegu thing
[06:13:12] <marv|work> you do have a bit of a talent for creating more scenarios / making things more complicated
[06:13:56] <Palmar> I'd be a good mafia player if I wasn't so damned transparent when I'm town
[06:14:07] <marv|work> this is a really excellent game from you so far tbh
[06:14:33] <Palmar> I just called jat manlet
[06:14:36] <Palmar> I think that was good
[06:14:37] <Palmar> but yeah, thanks
[06:14:42] <marv|work> i'd be an amazing mafia player if i didn't have such a massively high burden of expectation of productivity from me
[06:14:46] <Palmar> yes
[06:14:59] <Palmar> the baggage of caring about winning as town
[06:15:01] <Palmar> is heavy
[06:15:05] <marv|work> it really is
[06:15:11] <Palmar> but at least jat won't be able to complain people don't put effort into mafia games
[06:15:22] <marv|work> haha yes
[06:15:27] <marv|work> we've definitely made a game of it
[06:15:36] <marv|work> strong strong lineup + 4 blues
[06:15:40] <marv|work> how do you beat that
[06:20:19] <Palmar> please don't reply that I should bring mafia
[06:20:31] <marv|work> too late
[06:20:32] <Palmar> just tell me to shut up
[06:20:33] <Palmar> lol
[06:20:34] <marv|work> but i didn't really
[06:21:38] <Palmar> yeah that was fine
[06:21:48] <Palmar> the point is my purgatory was kinda scummy
[06:21:53] <Palmar> because obviously I should also be finding mafia
[06:22:28] <Palmar> but I'm drawing a line between us, and I'm establishing my cocky personality
[06:22:37] <Palmar> which is only a problem if you shift the suspicion on me
[06:22:57] <Palmar> in general I am still assuming you will die before me (possibly on day 4-5) if one of us has to die.
[06:23:04] <marv|work> yes
[06:23:09] <marv|work> i can make sure i lose vs you if it comes to that
[06:23:27] <Palmar> yeah
[06:23:27] <marv|work> i'm settled on you as town now
[06:23:30] <Palmar> yep
[06:23:31] <Palmar> that's fine
[06:23:35] <Palmar> you "have to do that as mafia"
[06:23:36] <marv|work> you wanting to lynch me doesn't make me think you are less town
[06:23:41] <Palmar> exactly
[06:23:47] <Palmar> that's the correct stance for both of us
[06:23:59] <marv|work> let's hope it's enough
[06:24:06] <Palmar> I am waffling and shifting responsibilty to you, while suspecting you
[06:24:16] <Palmar> and you are annoyed but confident in a town read on me
[06:24:19] <marv|work> if we wangled a win from this game, it would be one of my best
[06:24:30] <Palmar> these are the correct stances in ANY game where I'm not mafia
[06:24:35] <marv|work> yes
[06:24:47] <Palmar> both town/town and town/marvscum
[06:24:59] <marv|work> mm
[06:25:03] <Palmar> and yes
[06:25:08] <Palmar> well we have a strategy
[06:25:11] <Palmar> I haven't done the math though
[06:25:15] <Palmar> 10 people today
[06:25:19] <Palmar> wile and koshi gone tomorrow
[06:25:20] <marv|work> i actually look back on my mafia games with a lot of fondness
[06:25:27] <marv|work> i've had some amazing wins
[06:25:28] <Palmar> that's 8 (2 confirmed)
[06:25:50] <Palmar> so then it's like... jat and ceph
[06:25:56] <Palmar> so that's 6 (2 confirmed)
[06:26:07] <Palmar> then it's like you and ritoky
[06:26:12] <Palmar> that's 4 (1 confirmed)
[06:26:19] <marv|work> mylo
[06:26:31] <marv|work> this is what we were talking about before the game
[06:26:34] <marv|work> the vigi shot removed a ML
[06:26:46] <Palmar> 3v1 mylo with geript/damdred/scott
[06:26:56] <Palmar> so yes
[06:27:07] <Palmar> ideally we can get rid of jat with a lynch, but it doesn't really matter
[06:27:13] <Palmar> I think I can win geript in that situation
[06:27:16] <Palmar> but not certain
[06:27:22] <marv|work> it would give us a shot
[06:27:24] <Palmar> yep
[06:27:26] <marv|work> all we can ask for
[06:27:36] <Palmar> and of course some of the names might be jumbled around
[06:27:40] <marv|work> mm
[06:27:58] <Palmar> but yes, this is a winning, if slightly unlikely to succeed, strategy
[06:28:35] <marv|work> and we both have zero thread pull for about 48h
[06:29:01] <Palmar> what do you mean?
[06:29:08] <Palmar> oh weekend
[06:29:15] <Palmar> I'm gonna use it as an excuse but I will be there
[06:29:24] <Palmar> and it's mostly just night + first part of a day
[06:29:26] <Palmar> so it'll be fine
[06:29:41] <marv|work> yeah
[06:29:44] <Palmar> the main thing is not to let a lynch on you tomorrow fester
[06:30:00] <Palmar> also let's not forget
[06:30:35] <Palmar> depending on how strong you are, maybe we either switch the 3v1 scenario (and you lynch damdred with geript, instead of me lynching geript with damdred), OR we just try to win outright in 4v2
[06:31:01] <marv|work> 4-2 would be the ideal probably
[06:31:07] <marv|work> but likely impossible
[06:31:31] <Palmar> yeah it all depends on how strong ritoky will be
[06:31:36] <Palmar> because he's going to be alive
[06:31:42] <Palmar> unless he somehow becomes more dangerous than jat
[06:31:54] <marv|work> jat is just irritating
[06:32:03] <Palmar> don't underestimate him
[06:32:10] <marv|work> i'm not
[06:32:12] <Palmar> he is NOT looking for the easy way out of this game
[06:32:13] <marv|work> i'm saying he's irritating
[06:32:16] <Palmar> yeah
[06:32:18] <marv|work> haha
[06:32:28] <Palmar> but irritating in the same way as aids or nuclear explosions
[06:32:48] <Palmar> not like lour people at the movies
[06:32:54] <marv|work> if we kill koshi
[06:32:54] <Palmar> loud*
[06:33:00] <Palmar> we do kill koshi
[06:33:01] <marv|work> wonder if i could just kinda all-in lynching jat
[06:33:11] <Palmar> if you can, do it
[06:33:29] <Palmar> that allows me to remove ritoky 1 cycle earlier and we go into 4v2 with damdy geript scott and ceph
[06:33:34] <Palmar> only 1 of them is confirmed
[06:33:45] <Palmar> and 2 are hard pocketed by one of us
[06:35:09] <Palmar> remember that I always call you mafia
[06:35:10] <marv|work> that's very winnable
[06:35:15] <marv|work> yeah i just said so
[06:35:35] <Palmar> be more affirmative with it
[06:36:08] <Palmar> or well
[06:36:11] <Palmar> your call
[06:36:14] <Palmar> but there is a point there
[06:36:17] <Palmar> if you want it
[06:36:43] <Palmar> the rayn point is good too
[06:36:46] <Palmar> gj
[06:39:33] <marv|work> quite enjoy these arguments tbh
[06:39:38] <marv|work> i don't *think* i am coming off worse
[06:40:06] <Palmar> no you're doing fine
[06:40:10] <Palmar> no one that's still alive
[06:40:13] <Palmar> is going to wade through that shit
[06:40:19] <Palmar> that's one of the reasons jat is dangerous
[06:40:29] <Palmar> he actually has million hours to play the game.
[06:41:25] <marv|work> yeah.
[06:41:34] <marv|work> and he is convincing when he is in the thread.
[06:41:39] <Palmar> yeah
[06:41:43] <marv|work> and he's gonna be in the thread for 2 days when i am totally afk
[06:41:46] <marv|work> a little tricky.
[06:41:46] <Palmar> best time to attack him is while he sleeps
[06:41:50] <marv|work> yes :p
[06:42:18] <Palmar> have you talked to rayn?
[06:42:45] <marv|work> noes
[06:43:18] <Palmar> just wondering if he wanted to know the team or something
[06:43:28] <Palmar> shining is super mad in sotw
[06:43:37] <marv|work> hahahaha
[06:43:41] <marv|work> that timing
[06:43:45] <marv|work> just got a pm from rayn
[06:43:57] <marv|work> literally 30s after you asked
[06:44:02] <Palmar> is he asking for the team?
[06:44:10] <marv|work> no, he's saying "you are town, right?"
[06:44:13] <marv|work> why is Shining mad?
[06:44:14] <Palmar> hahahahahahha
[06:44:21] <Palmar> dandel got lynched and shot the cop
[06:44:23] <Palmar> (shining
[06:44:34] <Palmar> http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/PNCfMPVX8vghp
[06:44:40] <Palmar> "GG WP you fucking idiot. You just cost the town their Inquisitor. I'm afking this Angel shit. Peace."
[06:48:09] <Palmar> jat is such a sucker for validation
[06:48:23] <marv|work> well yea
[06:48:26] <marv|work> he's so openly desperate for it
[06:48:27] <marv|work> lol
[06:48:28] <Palmar> 2nd tier means 0
[06:48:31] <Palmar> like means nothing
[06:48:38] <Palmar> I just made that up to bug him
[06:48:44] <marv|work> i know
[06:48:46] <marv|work> lol
[08:08:19] <Palmar> jat has spent all game trying to create the impression he's doing things he isn't doing
[08:08:29] <marv|work> yup
[08:08:33] <Palmar> damdred just pointed out another example of it
[08:09:00] <Palmar> and also when he called damdred's point a "blatant lie" when it was at best slight difference of understanding
[08:09:00] <marv|work> definitely scummy
[08:09:09] <Palmar> I pointed that out
[08:10:27] <Palmar> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24867755
[10:06:28] <Palmar> does rayn know yet?
[10:06:48] <marv|work> yes
[10:06:50] <marv|work> well he knows about me
[10:08:48] <Palmar> ok
[10:08:56] <Palmar> do you know what his theory was
[10:09:03] <marv|work> no
[10:09:11] <Palmar> jat hard at work creating narratives
[10:11:43] <marv|work> apart from anything else, lynching jat would be enormously satisfying
[10:14:15] <Palmar> yes
[10:56:15] <marv|work> this is definitely productive
[10:57:06] <Palmar> 100% content
[12:12:49] <Palmar> why doesn't sl just stay out of the thread
[12:12:52] <Palmar> fucking
[12:28:59] <marv|work> why can't people follow basic instructions
[12:30:08] <marv|work> we've not asked much of him...
[12:30:22] <Palmar> yes
[12:30:23] <Palmar> well
[12:30:25] <Palmar> it's fine
[12:30:34] <Palmar> but koshi and jat will know it
[12:30:40] <Palmar> but we're killing both of them one way or the other
[12:30:47] <Palmar> damdred and geript can be argued into submission
[12:30:57] <Palmar> scott is barely playing
[12:31:00] <marv|work> mm
[12:31:03] <Palmar> ritoky too
[12:31:05] <Palmar> ceph too
[12:31:08] <marv|work> friday evening, i can't be too annoyed
[12:31:14] <marv|work> ceph will come out swinging at me, guaranteed
[12:31:19] <Palmar> yeah but who cares
[12:31:23] <Palmar> you can always lynch him
[12:31:31] <marv|work> :p
[12:31:33] <Palmar> I am not busing you tomorrow btw
[12:31:41] <Palmar> like I'll rather just conced the game
[12:31:46] <marv|work> well we decide that then
[12:31:55] <Palmar> yeah
[12:31:56] <Palmar> sure
[12:31:57] <marv|work> yeah not tomorrow
[12:32:04] <marv|work> we need to at least squeeze a ML in first
[12:32:04] <Palmar> but the plan is absolutely not day 3 marv lynch
[12:32:07] <Palmar> yeop
[12:32:12] <Palmar> day 4 is fair game
[12:32:18] <marv|work> ugh
[12:32:24] <Palmar> day 3 I am going to not lynch you, no matter the cost
[12:32:26] <marv|work> never wanted to have to try for 3 bloody cycles
[12:32:30] <Palmar>
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[08:01:19] <Palmar> pressure has been mounting on you for a while
[08:01:23] <Palmar> I'm not commiting to you yet
[08:01:40] <Palmar> like I'm setting up to be "impressed" by your dayphase
[08:01:47] <marv|work> that's stupid
[08:01:53] <marv|work> i literally can't think
[08:01:56] <Palmar> well
[08:01:59] <marv|work> this morning
[08:02:01] <Palmar> the other option is I just bus you
[08:02:04] <marv|work> i went to make my tuna sandwich
[08:02:09] <marv|work> opened the tuna, put it in a bowl
[08:02:11] <marv|work> stood there for a moment
[08:02:15] <marv|work> opened another tin of tuna
[08:02:16] <marv|work> facepalmed
[08:02:19] <Palmar> lol
[08:02:19] <marv|work> that's about my level
[08:02:26] <Palmar> so, good weekend?
[08:02:47] <marv|work> yeah it was amazing. just paying the price a bit now
[08:03:02] <marv|work> i've not even started reading yet. just so much effort
[08:03:13] <Palmar> well, jat really wants to kill you
[08:03:15] <Palmar> it's really your choice
[08:03:44] <Palmar> if you want to fight, which is probably better for us (assuming you think you can win), then do it
[08:04:00] <Palmar> but if you just don't have the effort, that's fine too, just tell me early so I can position myself for a chance to win
[08:04:04] <Palmar> I have a late-game plan
[08:04:24] <Palmar> It's insane enough that it might work
[08:05:00] <Palmar> I'm never going to kill scott, and I hope he tracks me to a kill
[08:05:27] <marv|work> lol
[08:05:28] <Palmar> why? because I have already pointed out that he is not a shot-limited tracker
[08:05:47] <Palmar> so, I can't be mafia because I chose not to shoot him
[08:05:53] <marv|work> so you're gonna try lynch the blue that gave you a mafia
[08:05:59] <Palmar> no
[08:06:06] <Palmar> absolutely not
[08:06:12] <Palmar> I'm just gonna use his red check on me to clear me
[08:06:36] <Palmar> basically, the dream is that he tracks me to a kill before a 3v1 day
[08:06:43] <Palmar> which means he'll claim it of course in 3v1
[08:06:48] <Palmar> at which point I'll go
[08:06:53] <Palmar> "I knew the tracker was multishot"
[08:07:01] <Palmar> "so why didn't I shoot him?"
[08:07:13] <marv|work> the wifom is strong with this one
[08:07:26] <Palmar> I'm basically going to "claim" a wandering villager dude
[08:07:33] <Palmar> which is the only explanation
[08:07:42] <Palmar> the mafia doesn't shoot scott because they only have a gf left
[08:07:47] <Palmar> oh shit
[08:07:49] <Palmar> it doesn't work
[08:07:50] <Palmar> fuck
[08:07:58] <Palmar> because they know mafia has janitor
[08:08:04] <Palmar> and you'll flip goon
[08:08:11] <Palmar> oh abandon plan
[08:08:12] <Palmar> damn it
[08:08:15] <Palmar> we have to shoot scott
[08:08:55] <marv|work> right
[08:09:01] <marv|work> see i can barely grasp what you're talking about hahaha
[08:09:02] <Palmar> this sucks
[08:09:05] <Palmar> that was such a great plan
[08:09:15] <Palmar> well again, just make your pick
[08:09:30] <Palmar> I can't feign afk forever
[08:09:49] <marv|work> no
[08:10:05] <marv|work> i really really really don't want to get lynched, i just don't think i'm capable
[08:10:27] <Palmar> you do have support
[08:10:33] <Palmar> but it's going to be a monumental task
[08:10:53] <marv|work> is everyone not still suspicious of jat?
[08:13:12] <Palmar> nope
[08:13:21] <Palmar> while you were afk he shat some townie rainbows
[08:13:24] <Palmar> but you can turn that around
[08:13:38] <Palmar> I've deliberately poked him a bit and kept the suspicion alive
[08:13:40] <marv|work> i just can't fight with jat
[08:13:45] <marv|work> it's very hard work
[08:13:56] <Palmar> you can, alternatively, try to lynch damdred
[08:13:59] <Palmar> then you'd have to fight me
[08:14:09] <Palmar> but jat wants to kill damdred
[08:14:24] <marv|work> if jat is looking really townie, theoretically i should want to kill damdred right
[08:15:25] <Palmar> I don't know
[08:15:34] <Palmar> if you reallyt hink I am town
[08:15:39] <marv|work> like damdred/ceph would have to be my scumteam
[08:15:42] <Palmar> you should maybe also agree with me on damdred
[08:15:55] <Palmar> or geript
[08:16:16] <Palmar> geript has (for very little reason) been calling you town for a looong time
[08:16:33] <Palmar> he's your primary ally
[08:17:23] <marv|work> i'm not gonna be able to do it at work at least. maybe later once i've had a spliff and relaxed at home. so i guess feel free to bus me in the meantime
[08:17:58] <Palmar> I'll kill time by doing game-solvey things
[08:18:06] <Palmar> post analysis on random people etc
[08:18:36] <marv|work> even if you bus me relatively hard, if i manage to make the effort later you're not committed to it right
[08:18:45] <Palmar> yes
[08:18:49] <Palmar> I have too many suspicious people
[08:18:54] <Palmar> and I can not talk about you
[08:19:05] <Palmar> it's a tiny bit risky but I'll be fine
[08:19:09] <Palmar> like I'll just post about ceph
[08:19:12] <marv|work> the thing is, you love talking about me.
[08:19:12] <Palmar> about jat
[08:19:14] <Palmar> about damdred
[08:19:16] <Palmar> yes I know
[08:19:20] <Palmar> tiny bit risky
[08:19:22] <Palmar> but still
[08:19:25] <Palmar> only jat will pick up on it
[08:19:26] <marv|work> and you love lynching me
[08:19:30] <marv|work> haha
[08:19:38] <marv|work> up to you.
[08:19:40] <Palmar> I'm willing to take that risk to give you time
[08:19:48] <Palmar> I'll not bury you until tomorrow
[08:19:53] <marv|work> wait
[08:19:55] <marv|work> is lynch not tonight?
[08:19:58] <Palmar> nope
[08:20:18] <marv|work> lol
[08:20:19] <marv|work> ...
[08:20:33] <Palmar> lynch is in like 32 hours or something
[08:20:38] <Palmar> 33?
[08:20:59] <Palmar> the problem with you flipping is that it confirms damdred
[08:21:04] <Palmar> ugh
[08:21:13] <Palmar> at which point I have to shoot.... scott?
[08:21:34] <marv|work> confirms damdred?
[08:21:43] <Palmar> so the 5v1 is me/jat/confirmedritoky/confirmeddamdred/geript
[08:22:05] <Palmar> so I have to lynch exactly jat and geript
[08:22:07] <Palmar> jesus
[08:22:25] <marv|work> cephiro?
[08:22:31] <Palmar> oh fuck
[08:22:37] <Palmar> wait how many people are alive?
[08:22:42] <Palmar> oh it'd be a 6v1 wouldn't it?
[08:22:43] <marv|work> why the fuck
[08:22:45] <marv|work> are you asking me
[08:22:46] <marv|work> lol
[08:22:48] <Palmar> jesus
[08:22:53] <Palmar> wait ok I gotta think
[08:23:06] <Palmar> 6v2 now
[08:23:29] <marv|work> so you'd have to lynch ceph +1
[08:23:31] <Palmar> so that means 6v1 if you fli
[08:23:41] <Palmar> oh yeah I just miscounted
[08:23:49] <Palmar> I said 5v1 and then counted 5 people instead of 6
[08:23:51] <Palmar> so ok
[08:24:01] <Palmar> I have to lynch exactly 2/3 of geript/ceph/jat
[08:24:17] <marv|work> fairly possible
[08:24:18] <Palmar> and I can only get rid of exactly 2 of confirmedritoky, confirmeddamdred, jat
[08:24:21] <Palmar> yes
[08:24:26] <Palmar> it's not insurmountable
[08:24:34] <marv|work> i feel bad now
[08:25:14] <Palmar> well it's easily doable so I don't care
[08:26:04] <marv|work> ok
[08:26:13] <marv|work> plenty of time anyways
[08:26:45] <Palmar> I'll stall until tonight/tomorrow
[08:27:09] <Palmar> after that, if you don't look like you're winning, I'm moving to a position where I can have a chance of endgaming it
[08:27:19] <marv|work> that sounds right
[08:27:47] <Palmar> that actually is a good wifom argument for me
[08:27:54] <Palmar> "ignore marv until he's had a chance to post"
[08:28:00] <Palmar> and if you don't win
[08:28:16] <Palmar> "look guys, why would I as mafia first give him a chance of winnning, and then proceed to slam him"
[08:28:23] <Palmar> "why not just bus out of the gate"
[08:28:27] <Palmar> and I know of course the answer
[08:28:33] <Palmar> but sometimes yelling really loudly is good
[08:29:22] <marv|work> of course
[08:29:29] <marv|work> lots of my good scum wins have come from winning the wifom argument
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