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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 23 2015 10:43 GMT
#2778
I'll try to muster the energy to read his filter one last time to see if anything changes at some point today.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 23 2015 12:54 GMT
#2780
There's also the strong urge to lynch him because I would never forgive myself for losing to a scum geript trolling through the game.

It's awful but it's true. I don't want to reward retarded play.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 23 2015 16:18 GMT
#2782
On September 24 2015 01:11 geript wrote:
Anyone who lynches me tomorrow is stupid/bad/mafia. Pick 2.

Good defense.

If you are somehow town, you need to explain why you are town.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 08:25 GMT
#2836
On September 24 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote:
this is somewhat nai and a bit of conjecture I don't believe geript would do this as scum he would more than likely start pushing ver or myself to get into a winnable situation. And its not where he's at or where he's going.


I assume ver = ceph?

The point is, while definitely the path of least resistance, this jat lynch isn't out of the blue.

ritoky is confirmed
he has committed (for a while I think) to thinking I'm not mafia. So pushing that is a suicide
he's not gonna push himself

so that leaves

a) he pushes ceph. I think ritoky has been fairly open about defending ceph.
b) he pushes you, and has to argue with me
c) he pushes jat, and really only has to argue with jat.

Like I don't think anyone has come out and called jat confirmed town or something. I think my half-assed endorsement with like 5 points of evidence that I might be wrong is the strongest speech of calling jat town anyone has.

Also, remember, he has to lynch two people. Might as well not go for the easiest lynch today.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 08:25 GMT
#2837
that's meant to say "while definitely not the path of least...."
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 08:37 GMT
#2839
Geript's analysis calling me town has literally 0 reasons to call me town in it,

On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:
So for why Palmar is town.

When Marv/Palmar are mafia together, I've always seen them confirm each other and work to utilize their thread capability with each other. You know, they use their names and ability to push to get people lynched; often they'll push two people and consolidate on one. It's basically how Marv operates with any vet who can control a thread in the slightest.

This is semi-true. Generally marv figures out my alignment (especially when I'm being useful like this game). I sometimes figure him out (and I have been trying lately to be less waffly), but most of the time (I think) I waffle on him for a long time until we lynch mafia together. Like historically that has been the point where I start trusting marv.

This sentence is just an introduction to a (directionless) point geript is making. Nothing in here suggests anything about my alignment, one way or the other.


On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:
But Marv was happy to not coordinate with Palmar and vice versa.

He basically avoided talking to me too much. He just wasn't there very much. In hindsight I should've thought more about it, but I guess knowing he was actually in real life afk (we're co-hosts of another game and he let me know) I gave him some leeway on activity/interactiveness.

What's important here is that this is (in hindsight) very revealing about marv's alignment, but says absolutely nothing about mine. I always do my own shit if I feel I need to, and I'll do it no matter my alignment.

On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:Marv seconded my early read on Palmar (although not to the same extent) and was happy to remove the townreads on him (or try);


Again, this makes marv mafia, it says nothing about my alignment. (He has to call me town as mafia)

On September 24 2015 13:17 geript wrote:Palmar was happy to question Marv from D2.


This is the only thing that says anything about my alignment. So let's summarize geript's reasons for why I'm town down to:

"Palmar was happy to question Marv from D2"

That's really the only thing in there that makes me town. It is, of course, correct, but I don't think it's a particularly insightful way of calling me town. I feel like this piece is more of a conclusion -> evidence process than evidence -> conclusion.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 08:38 GMT
#2840
Like the tl;dr version is, geript wrote an entire paragraph, mostly focusing on why marv was mafia, and somehow concluded I'm town from it.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 08:39 GMT
#2841
Also geript, feel free to talk more about how town I am because I do love it when people call me town.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 08:58 GMT
#2842
This is a weak but clever point:

Damdred decided to check up on me (ok fair enough).

He said he should read my filter. My filter is 17 pages of some hard hitting analysis. Time analysis is actually quite valid:

On September 24 2015 12:21 Damdred wrote:
just have to read jats filter again and palmar and see what I can find



On September 24 2015 13:31 Damdred wrote:
I just read palmars filter.

I'm pretty sure he's town in this situation. He seems to waver about Marv a good bit. Pushes Marv at good times for town palmar to do so and while it is in his wheel house especially the pressure n1 just seems way out of place for a palmar and Marv scum team.



He basically didn't fall into the mafia trap of saying "I read someone's filter" in 5 minutes.

This is super weak though.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 09:11 GMT
#2844
The idea is that he barely reads it if he's mafia.

Don't worry too much about it.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 09:13 GMT
#2845
I had completely forgotten the whole bullshit geript pulled on day 1 where he tried to call me mafia for being serious when I wasn't being serious and made up some meta on the spot to support it.

yeah geript has to be the mafia.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 10:23 GMT
#2850
What now bitches, I'm on TL mafia from liquid hearth
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 13:45 GMT
#2854
I would probably not try to rely too much on marv's filter to make reads.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 14:32 GMT
#2868
geript needing 2 lynches would precisely be why he'd want to lynch jat here, and he may just have given up trying with all of us wanting to lynch him.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 15:00 GMT
#2888
I am 100% in favor of this plan.

Today we lynch geript and tomorrow I promise to lynch jat.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 15:02 GMT
#2891
On September 25 2015 00:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2015 00:00 Palmar wrote:
I am 100% in favor of this plan.

Today we lynch geript and tomorrow I promise to lynch jat.

No, you don't.

ssshhh
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 15:04 GMT
#2894
On September 25 2015 00:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Tell me Palmar, if you think I am town - which you said earlier - why the hell do you agree to this shit? Why does lynching geript make me scum if he is town? You are better than this.

lol
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 15:06 GMT
#2897
By extension I think everyone that isn't geript is town, so if I can make any deal such as the one geript is offering, I'm not lynching the guy who I think is mafia.

Yes it's a bit of a PoE, but still.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 15:06 GMT
#2898
On September 25 2015 00:05 geript wrote:
I can't wait to roll vigi. I'm just goign to end up shooting people who annoy the fuck out of it. Like JAT. Or players who are so goddamn awful at both sides. Like JAT. Or people who post a lot but have 0 thoughts ever in their filter. Like JAT.

If you're town I'm being bad too, so let me in on the fun
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 24 2015 15:29 GMT
#2908
Sure Jat could be scum because of everything I listed up.

Damdred could be scum because he's been sort of background-y since maybe day 2?

Cephiro could be scum for just not doing anything

I don't really care. I think the best lynch is geript. There are multiple reasons to want to lynch him.
Computer says mafia
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