[M][N] Completely Normal Generic Mini Mafia - Page 14

On September 17 2015 06:00 ritoky wrote:


then why the fuck even sign up if you're not going to try to win as either alignment? like srsly this shit is at least warn worthy imo.

On September 17 2015 06:01 ritoky wrote:


and it's going to get better than a crapshoot later?

On September 17 2015 06:13 ritoky wrote:
how pissed would koshi be if we lynch jat without him?

On September 17 2015 06:21 marvellosity wrote:

has Wile redeemed himself then?

question is for anyone

On September 17 2015 06:23 marvellosity wrote:
i'm in ceph's filter atm.

On September 17 2015 08:59 geript wrote:
Rayn's scumread on Moosy came from 2 things:
1. Moosy conflating games and thinking Rayn was in a game that he wasn't in. This isn't something uncommon. It happens all the time in my experience. It's something that's quite literally not alignment indicative.
2. Moosy saying he hasn't rolled mafia before and talking like he has. Yet, regardless of whether or not Moosy is lying about that, it has 0 bearing on his alignment this game.
3. Rayn listens to his townreads. Marv kinda thought moosy was town. Palmar was pretty sure moosy was town. IIRC he thought Damdred was town and damdred thought moosy was town. In the least, Rayn will get out of a bad tunnel like that AS TOWN when other people he's townreading say that shit's stupid/terrible/NAI.
4. I gave at least 3-4 other reasons to think Moosy was town. This doesn't include things other people said. These are all things that Rayn could have and should have picked up on. I don't think the Moosy read was that hard of a read. Honestly, I think it was pretty obvious.
5. The other game. Rayn died scumreading Moosy and someone else. Even if Rayn is sure of his read in the other game; that game and this game look reasonably different. Different enough that I don't think it's reasonable to think that Rayn's memory is merging the two games. Rather, it's more reasonable for him to get to "I'm really sure he was mafia in that game; therefore he's likely town in this game."

There's a lot of other little stuff; how he bounces between reads, what he drives at, etc. Some of which I can explain and some of which I can't. There is however, one important thing I want to point out:
Come near the end of the day, when people aren't sheeping him, Rayn isn't driving home points on Moosy. Rayn isn't calling 3 people mafia and trying to get all 3 lynched at once. I think it was JOAT where Rayn caught me because he didn't know my "these are the people I want to lynch list"; and it was a valid read. Here, near the end of the day, we get an idea of who Rayn wants to kill, but there's no long (or even tldr point by point) case on a handful of people who need to die AND WHY.

That's why Rayn is mafia.

On September 17 2015 08:49 justanothertownie wrote:
Why on earth did you lynch moosy? Wtf happened to the Cephiro wagon? Why the fuck did rayn lynch moosy after saying mafia is most likely between damdred, cephiro and me? Good job, you made a town/town lynch happen. Don't even consider for a nanosecond that the people on my wagon are more towny than the people on moosy.

If there is a vigilante shoot me.

On September 17 2015 08:59 geript wrote:
Rayn's scumread on Moosy came from 2 things:
1. Moosy conflating games and thinking Rayn was in a game that he wasn't in. This isn't something uncommon. It happens all the time in my experience. It's something that's quite literally not alignment indicative.
2. Moosy saying he hasn't rolled mafia before and talking like he has. Yet, regardless of whether or not Moosy is lying about that, it has 0 bearing on his alignment this game.
3. Rayn listens to his townreads. Marv kinda thought moosy was town. Palmar was pretty sure moosy was town. IIRC he thought Damdred was town and damdred thought moosy was town. In the least, Rayn will get out of a bad tunnel like that AS TOWN when other people he's townreading say that shit's stupid/terrible/NAI.
4. I gave at least 3-4 other reasons to think Moosy was town. This doesn't include things other people said. These are all things that Rayn could have and should have picked up on. I don't think the Moosy read was that hard of a read. Honestly, I think it was pretty obvious.
5. The other game. Rayn died scumreading Moosy and someone else. Even if Rayn is sure of his read in the other game; that game and this game look reasonably different. Different enough that I don't think it's reasonable to think that Rayn's memory is merging the two games. Rather, it's more reasonable for him to get to "I'm really sure he was mafia in that game; therefore he's likely town in this game."

There's a lot of other little stuff; how he bounces between reads, what he drives at, etc. Some of which I can explain and some of which I can't.

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There is however, one important thing I want to point out:
Come near the end of the day, when people aren't sheeping him, Rayn isn't driving home points on Moosy. Rayn isn't calling 3 people mafia and trying to get all 3 lynched at once. I think it was JOAT where Rayn caught me because he didn't know my "these are the people I want to lynch list"; and it was a valid read. Here, near the end of the day, we get an idea of who Rayn wants to kill, but there's no long (or even tldr point by point) case on a handful of people who need to die AND WHY.

That's why Rayn is mafia.

On September 17 2015 01:07 geript wrote:
But I'm really struggling to townread the people I usually have an easy time reading (Rayn/Damdred)

Rayn isn't calling 3 people mafia and trying to get all 3 lynched at once.

Here, near the end of the day, we get an idea of who Rayn wants to kill, but there's no long (or even tldr point by point) case on a handful of people who need to die AND WHY.

On September 17 2015 09:20 justanothertownie wrote:
rofl, Wile is Sicklucker.