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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 20:59 GMT
#2920
The stuff from the old mafia game was regarding night kills and some other shit. I have only been mafia with palmar once. In that game palmar basically sat around blue hunting and in the QT someone suggested some wifom kill and palmar basically said "fuck no, we're killing the claimed pr". Part of the reason I had him on the lower end of the pile this game outside of my lack of a read was simply that he was disengaged from the game around the scott kill and I thought he might have just bought the # of uses at face value and thus killed koshi instead. After reviewing that game, I have a harder time maintaining that mindset.

Outside of that, I like his play today and he seems to be the person least playing to set up a f4 (other than ceph who isn't playing). I can see potential motives in jat, I see potential motives in damdred, I see potential motives in geript. This phase I don't really see a long game from palmar....he just seems to want to lynch the person he finds scum this phase.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 20:59 GMT
#2921
scott claim*
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 21:28 GMT
#2929
The more time elapses the more likely I am to lynch cephiro for being a liability.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 21:30 GMT
#2930
also here's how palmar is town in other words jat:

my soul says damdred is mafia

my tinfoil says jat is mafia

my rage says cephiro is mafia

my head says geript is mafia

my heart remains undecided.

palmar appears on no list -> town
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 21:35 GMT
#2934
this game also blows cuz vote logic is useless. engame so much harder for me when my spreadsheet is worthless.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 21:44 GMT
#2936
On September 17 2015 06:27 deconduo wrote:
Day 1 Votecount


Cephiro (3): Koshi, Onegu, marvellosity, Koshi, Palmar, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie, geript
MoosyDoosy (4): raynpelikoneet, Wile E. Coyote, Palmar, marvellosity, Koshi, ritoky
justanothertownie (3): Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Koshi, scott31337, Damdred, Cephiro
Wile E. Coyote (1): MoosyDoosy, Cephiro
Onegu (1): Palmar
Palmar (0): geript
marvellosity (0): Koshi, Onegu, justanothertownie, Koshi
Damdred (0): Onegu
geript (0): raynpelikoneet, Palmar

Not Voting (1): marvellosity

Voting ends in at 21:30 GMT (+00:00).



On September 17 2015 06:42 deconduo wrote:
Day 1 Final Votecount


MoosyDoosy (5): raynpelikoneet, Wile E. Coyote, Koshi, ritoky, marvellosity
justanothertownie (4): scott31337, Damdred, Cephiro, Palmar
Cephiro (3): Onegu, justanothertownie, geript
Wile E. Coyote (1): MoosyDoosy


like this is all that matters from my spreadsheet and i don't see much useful here. anyone else?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 21:46 GMT
#2937
the only thing i can see possibly from that vote is that marv was floating waiting to save a partner in jat or ceph? but it didn't rly matter cuz i hammered moosy effectively.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 21:50 GMT
#2939
if palmar is mafia do you think he moves his vote from an afk town to a town jat there with 3 mins left?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 22:02 GMT
#2941
idk that's just kinda bleh. last minute palm -> jat; instantly marv -> moosy. can be read as marv floating then ensuring teammate doesn't die. but if jat is mafia there with 3 mins left and risk of shennanie, i have to believe he is more self-preservationist...which makes it end up being a wash and kinda useless like i said.

anyone else got any opinions on those votes or is it useless? damdred?

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“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 23:45 GMT
#2947
On September 25 2015 08:07 Damdred wrote:
Also obviously I'm confirmed town now.


?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 25 2015 18:50 GMT
#3028
hey everybody. sorry for being gone so long, sometimes stuff gets in the way.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 25 2015 18:52 GMT
#3030
yeah, i am reading the 10-12 pages i was gone for.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 25 2015 19:02 GMT
#3035
jat bitched and moaned for about 40 hours of day 1 about how everything everyone said was crap.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 25 2015 19:04 GMT
#3039
i think palmar and cephiro are town, i am pretty certain on that.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 25 2015 19:05 GMT
#3040
On September 26 2015 04:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:02 ritoky wrote:
jat bitched and moaned for about 40 hours of day 1 about how everything everyone said was crap.

Your point?


idk i know i talked shit on you d1 about it, dunno why he cares. it was reasonable to talk shit on you about it during the first bit.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 25 2015 19:10 GMT
#3043
damdred or geript. 1 more time can you try and explain the town reads you have on eachother to me. cuz i don't understand how they are soooooooo firm at this point. at least 1 of you has to be town so 1 of you at worst is telling the truth.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 25 2015 19:41 GMT
#3054
Aight well here's my counter-post to your town read on him. But before this I will say I think it is 1 of you, geript, and jat. I am really convinced the other 2 are town; I am not locked in on geript at this point.

1) Activity/Style. Weakest of the points especially considering schedule changes to geript's rl. However, geript feels a bit more present for me as town. I just finished playing a game with him where he we town bro'd all game. He has different feelings this game. Outside of that the type of way he is expressing his frustration and anger prior to this phase was odd. His first angry post was just out of the blue and over the top; stuck out like a sore thumb. But also there was the style of it. From my experience angry town geript is more chirpy, repeats himself, and spams a bit with portions in caps for emphasis. That post was more along the lines of calm calm WALL OF ANGER calm calm. This phase a little bit more along town frustration style.

2) Magic reads on LHF. I was making a conscious effort this game, particularly early to focus my reads on the people I felt were LHF in the game. First because I had a gun and was likely to shoot one, but secondly because I felt the number of strong players was so high that easy ML targets were at a premium so I wanted to try and combat that by having good reads on them. His moosy read I can grasp as coming from town. But I remember when warwaffle posted, I literally followed his post with "I don't know how anyone in the game can have a read on this guy" and I believe you said something quite similar. To which geript promptly shows up and says "he is town". Later we find he is town and a PR. I have a hard time grasping how I, who was focusing on LHF see a post and think it is unreadable and he comes so solid on it and correct. He has been very correct on LHF...almost too correct.

3) Mechanically bad play. If there's 1 thing geript is triggered by as town it is mechanically bad play. Last phase he was playing with a mindset of a world of 1, which was just mechanically wrong. I pointed it out to him multiple times and he did probably nothing with it. He was right about marv, but wrong about the world of 1. I don't think he would tolerate his own mindset if he was town.

4) World of 1 -> JATTTTT OMFG JAT. He was literally sold on world of 1 yesterday. When it turns out that isn't the case he goes ham on JAT and pushes using stuff that he has been "pushing" or "pointing out" all game. Yet just the day before he was sold marv was solo mafia. I don't get the tonal shift of 1 alive into ABSOLUTELY THIS GUY. There aren't even filter reading or considering posts in there. There's just turning on a dime.

5) Discrediting rather than arguing. Yes geript isn't big on case making, yes you find this town of him; but if JAT is mafia I want to see a compelling argument not "he has done nothing with the longest filter" "ignore everything he says". That doesn't get my dick hard.

6) Plethora of dumb tells and stupid comments. There's a threshold of dumb tells as town. He went beyond it.

If you could start there telling me why I am wrong or those are NAI.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 25 2015 19:57 GMT
#3061
On September 26 2015 04:54 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:46 Palmar wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:29 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:28 Cephiro wrote:
Palmar, if you're around you should do something more productive. You've once again pointed out your opinion today well enough, but it doesn't look like you actually care about what's happening. (You're not really trying to make anything happen even if you've said what you'd like to happen, and I'd expect you to be trying to make it happen instead of just hoping it happens.)

Or if you're not up for taking responsibility, join me in voting Damdred for today's lynch.

^
Very fair point.

Why do you think this is a fair point?

Because it is true?!
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 04:41 ritoky wrote:
3) Mechanically bad play. If there's 1 thing geript is triggered by as town it is mechanically bad play. Last phase he was playing with a mindset of a world of 1, which was just mechanically wrong. I pointed it out to him multiple times and he did probably nothing with it. He was right about marv, but wrong about the world of 1. I don't think he would tolerate his own mindset if he was town.

err? Geript never ever said marv is mafia.


yeah you're right. got confused. he said you were the world of 1. lack of sleep.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 25 2015 20:03 GMT
#3064
On September 26 2015 05:01 justanothertownie wrote:
He also never reevaluated even though he really should have after I lynched his townread marv who flipped fucking mafia.


yeah but you've also seen geript as town hold onto some dumpster read all game and never re-evaluate it ever for lord knows what reason. don't tell me you haven't.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 25 2015 20:08 GMT
#3069
On September 26 2015 05:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 05:03 ritoky wrote:
On September 26 2015 05:01 justanothertownie wrote:
He also never reevaluated even though he really should have after I lynched his townread marv who flipped fucking mafia.


yeah but you've also seen geript as town hold onto some dumpster read all game and never re-evaluate it ever for lord knows what reason. don't tell me you haven't.

Sure, but doesn't he generally have an at least semilogical reason for his read which he tries to shove down everyones throat repeatedly? He does not here.


I think you're slightly colored bias because the read is on you. I think that of his read on you the more concerning parts are his no read on onegu -> onegu was def mafia after shot or the world of 1 and it's JAT. Not necessarily the reasoning behind it or the lack of re-evaluate. He claims a magical unexplained read on WoS every game they are in together and hardly ever changes it over the course of a game and from my experience is wrong as much as he is right.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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