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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 23 2015 19:20 GMT
#2793
also jat are you here?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 23 2015 20:18 GMT
#2796
I don't think you're mafia as of now. But I am not 100% on you not being mafia either. So I am gonna list what I feel are the best reasons in the thread you could be mafia, and I want you to tell me why they're wrong. I don't care about calling them bad, I want to know why they are wrong.

1) The guy tryharding the most when no1 else is -> mafia. I did this in DU2, judgejudy did this recently. It is not always true, but it can be true in a lot of cases.

2) Overselling your Wile push. It is not that you didn't push on Wile, it is that the way you described your push on Wile is way more glorified than what you actually did.

3) Destructive day 1 play. Day 1 you were snarky and more concerned with tearing arguments down than building arguments and moving town in a positive direction.

4) The disappearing cephiro read. Disappearing might be a strong enough word, but you felt he was mafia enough to deserve your vote day 1 over moosy, marv, and wile; but since you haven't really done a lot of pushing of him in any particular direction.

5) Koshi list. Koshi's list of people he wanted lynched before he died was essentially you, marv, palmar. He had slightly softened on you, but still #koshisays. No but seriously this post:

On September 16 2015 06:13 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 06:11 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 16 2015 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 16 2015 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 16 2015 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 16 2015 05:53 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 16 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really, jat on the other hand is still not doing shit and apparently is not doing shit for the rest of the phase...

Which does not make me mafia :p

well then it would make you bad and i don't think you are bad... so i don't pretty much have a choice here.

Yes, you absolutely have a choice. You can choose not to be terrible and lynch someone who you don't have any reason to scumread and who will become easy to read as the game progresses. But if you decide to be retarded I won't stop you from doing it because I am really sick of this shit happening again after gaiden 2.

I am a bit confused.
Even if we discount what i have said on you and what Damdred has (which i agree with btw), why should i read you town?
You have done absolutely nothing to help.

I have done stuff. Not much but I have. And I am not saying you should absolutely townread me. I am saying there is 0 reason to mafia read me. I don't even know what it is you agree with concerning damdred since he never really gave a reason for scumreading me.

I actually have a real read. If it isn't true I will spoil it when you flip.

But it is real and worked twice. 2/2. I can proof it.



6) A few too many "I wouldn't do x as this alignment" kind of posts that stand out in your filter. A lot of self-meta examination even under very little fire.

7) Marv was kinda deflecting you pretty substantially around the lynch time day 1. Could be spew, could be deflection.

That's all I remember for now. Your filter is a behemoth so I might have forgotten some shit. Just start here telling my why this is all wrong.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 23 2015 20:23 GMT
#2797
@damdred: I would like you to try and go back in the thread a bit and explain this post and your mindset here to me:

On September 17 2015 02:32 Damdred wrote:
Hi, I'm going to cheat and talk a small bit even though I'm under orders to shut up.

1) Wil is still a decent lynch, his content lacks a bit of drive to find scum rather focusing on other side things it feels like. I would lynch him.
2) I still think warwaffle is scum here. If you look at his other newb games he does say some smart things and fights back at points. He does afk a lot though anyway so that's a negative towards it but never this much.
3) I still don't really like JAT, while he does seem more involved it just seems like he's not doing much in the way of actually being useful in his normal way. Throws a lot of dirt before settling gibes up on scum reads because they seem unlun hable today.
4) I might just sheep Marv.

but I'm here for some talki


Regarding the part I bolded in particular I would like you to tell me why at that point you were wanting to sheep marv over rayn or koshi.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 23 2015 20:42 GMT
#2800
I think everyone alive in this game would bus their 2 buddies considering the way both died as essentially claimed scum lol.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 23 2015 20:45 GMT
#2801
On September 24 2015 05:38 Damdred wrote:
Because I rng my vote out of the people I thought would be fun to sheep and it landed on Marv, and I decided to go against Marv and pushed whatvinfelt like d1.

Bit of a weird part of a post to que up on I suppose


And when you started moving off of Wile, why did you do that? I am not talking about his "a ha" post which was the final thing that pushed you away. I am talking about before that when you had already started to doubt that read.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 23 2015 20:54 GMT
#2803
in the event i die this is where i stand btw, ask now if you want further explanation:

Never lynch:
ritoky
scott

Most town unconfirmed:
cephiro - regardless of how i feel about his contributions this game, circumstance tells me he is town. returns to thread when moosy and him top wagon -> both push on conf mafia wile rather than eachother. marvs filter and interactions read to me like he was clearly trying to set ceph up as a ML and failing.

Town cuz stuff:
jat - doubt after missing my vigi claim he believes in the 1shot of scott and doesn't shoot him in the night. activity. other things.

Doubts...don't want to be wrong, but meh:
damdred - slight cred for tracker check on him saying he did nothing, but not full cred cuz marv could have carried kp. maybe he has varied his play enough to where my soul read is no good now. doesn't read as slam dunk town as towndred normally does

Lynch candidates:
geript
palmar
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 23 2015 22:20 GMT
#2808
bleh.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 23 2015 23:18 GMT
#2817
On September 24 2015 08:00 geript wrote:
I figured out why palmar can't be mafia either.


share please.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 23 2015 23:20 GMT
#2818
On September 24 2015 07:58 geript wrote:
I'm voting for JAT. Because I trust Rayn's reads. And Rayn scumread JAT for all of D1.


that's cool, what specific post by rayn or parts of his read do you find compelling? cuz rayn's been dead so long i don't particularly remember his reads...so i am assuming you dug through some filters or notes to find this.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 23 2015 23:23 GMT
#2819
dear mod, is sleeping/no lynching allowed this game?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 23 2015 23:26 GMT
#2821
On September 24 2015 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2015 08:20 ritoky wrote:
On September 24 2015 07:58 geript wrote:
I'm voting for JAT. Because I trust Rayn's reads. And Rayn scumread JAT for all of D1.


that's cool, what specific post by rayn or parts of his read do you find compelling? cuz rayn's been dead so long i don't particularly remember his reads...so i am assuming you dug through some filters or notes to find this.

Read the end of rayns filter. He is clearly strongly townreading me and it is not hard to see.

Gone for real now.


let him make his case and posts. then i'll go see if it is a pile of hot air or not.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 23 2015 23:27 GMT
#2822
the sleep question is relevant cuz if it is an option you guys are always sleeping @ f4 to go to f3. if we have no option to do that @ f4, then that kinda changes the perspective on today slightly.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 23 2015 23:28 GMT
#2824
all assuming we don't just lynch last mafia today obv.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 00:01 GMT
#2826
yes and no. i am around, but i can't do anything in-depth
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 00:37 GMT
#2828
On September 24 2015 09:23 Damdred wrote:
Will you at least give opinions on what I wrote.

and honestly if I trust you on your ceph read I have to lynch palm today yea?


i am open to hearing contrary reads on ceph and seeing if he responds to them with anything other than "that's dumb, you're dumb".

i will give an opinion on it a bit later tonight if geript doesn't respond to the question i asked him. i was going to see his response first and kinda roll how i felt about your post and his response into one. if he doesn't come back i will just respond to your post.

btw who is the person you feel you have the loosest read on this game? like you have a read but 0 confidence in it?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 09:33 GMT
#2847
i wanted to do stuff tonight, but i was on call and got #rekt. probably not back until tmrw afternoon.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 09:33 GMT
#2848
tmrw afternoon = like 10-12 hrs
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 20:39 GMT
#2916
Cephiro, you have no put in the requisite number of fucks given so far this phase for me to trust you going into f4. Regardless of if circumstance tells me you're town I have 0 faith in your abilities in a f4 scenario at this point. You don't post during night phases, you afk through over half of day phases, and seemingly give less fucks than even geript. If you're town you will be a ML target in f4 and you will have a hard time projecting enough town to not lose the game for us if you afk for 24 hours. If you're mafia you're just not giving fucks and banking on me to keep you afloat I guess.

As of now, you have not passed go, you do not get to collect $200. Prove me wrong quickly.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 20:42 GMT
#2917
The fact that you have to lynch @ f4 is also shitty because no relevant information will be given during the night phase. Whereas if sleep was allowed we would have 1 more phase of information.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 24 2015 20:52 GMT
#2919
I think palmar might just be town. I haven't really had a firm read on him all game and I may just regret this read in post game but idk this phase plus some thinking and going back to an old mafia game kinda made me think he is just a town here.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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