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On September 07 2015 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: time to re-evaluate this shit tomorrow. how can... how can people play that way? i am fucking puzzled. gonna go play voice mafia. Yeh. Assuming GB is what he claims to be, both wagons were on town. Gonna assume that tomorrow and spout some logic pre-N1. | ||
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I felt like your entire d1 revolved around noobking flipping town. Now, granted, you may have a good read on him because you have played a lot together, but I felt like especially EoD you were iffy on him until it was sure he was going to flip, then you called him town. Also interested to see why you think copcake is mafia now. | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:48 Fidei86 wrote: What, because I didn't want to be on the n00b wagon? Meh. I'm not sure that GB's claim left town much choice, and I should have gone straight to n00b, but only because I liked him less than Cake, not because I thought he was Mafia. Nah, because you should be switching to save the doctor. At 10m before EoD you chose to believe the claim and switched. Which means you wanted to save the doctor. But you go on some wagon no one is on. Makes me feel like "hey guys at least I switched lol". IDK. | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:52 Fidei86 wrote: All I can say is that I'd been town-reading Cake and NK all day, basically, and I really didn't want to vote for either. You're right, I had to, but I was stubborn at first. Not much more I can say about it really. Maybe, I didn't really review your filter too much so I didn't have that mentally noted down. I might double check this tomorrow but I'll probably take your word for it since people are likely to call you out if this is bullshit. | ||
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I think rayn after his last post is still likely town. But I don't feel comfortable riding or dying with him at the moment. Which means that if I die during the night I want everyone to re-evaluate him. Especially if GB turns out to be town (you will know tomorrow). Like both rayn/yamato have led the two major wagons, and if they both were on town, re-evaluation is a necessity. That being said. I like rayn's last post. Slam is probably my most likely mafia at this point in time. His push on me makes little sense to be honest. Everything he has said about me is at best NAI. That being said, his focus on me (town) has also led to nowhere. He is fine soft pushing me for (imo) shitty reasons. (this is part of the reason why I still kind of like rayn as town, even after a somewhat disastrous d1). I'll give more tomorrow if I'm alive (likely). | ||
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On September 08 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote: if rayn is willing to calm down and listen i will provide why she is mafia. Just letters on a screen. Present the case please. | ||
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Maybe overreacted on slam just soft pushing me the entire time. I don't like it when the only thing he did was question my alignment for essentially more than an entire day and not reach any conclusion. Also did not like him coming into EoD at the very last moment going like "nooo", when we switched off GB who just claimed blue. Like he really wanted to kill GB (even after he claimed blue). I think this is most alignment indicative if GB is in fact red, because it kind of feels like bussing (TMI wanting to kill someone who claimed blue with seemingly no real hard reason behind). Yamato pretty much made the GB wagon, I feel like slam didn't contribute. But this could just be unfair bias (towards slam). Still wants to know where slam stands on me. After all this time I kind of expect an answer. Currently slam is null, leaning mafia. Actually after writing on other people I kind of changed my mind (slam doesn't need to be in scum team). I think slam may be town. Null for now. Moosy From EoD moosy probably looks the most damned, regardless of GB's alignment (though GB flipping town probably looks worse for moosy). At 4m to EoD, he essentially says he is confused and will follow rayn. Rayn then votes noobking seconds later, which is the only switch that was predictable. Then moosy comes in 1m to EoD saying he doesn't want to vote noobking and this is a bad vote. What the fuck was he expecting here? Heavily feels like mafia distancing from lynch: calling noobking town all game (except expressing doubt at certain key moments) -> expressing being fine with sheeping rayn (though it was obvious noobking was going to be the only target) -> expressing disdain at noobking lynch when it's about to go through. I also had a gut-read on him being possibly mafia on d1 (still can't explain it, his filter just feels a little different than his usual town filter). The fact that moosy posted an entire case on cake on demand adds to this. Why the fuck did you have that just lying around if really think she is mafia? Are you not interested in getting town on the right path? Your entire case is also pretty nit-picky, imo. But that might just be because I think copcake is town at this point in time. And your cause does not mention the relation to noobking's alignment at all, while you were adamant on lynching cake the next day if noobking was going to flip town (he was, surprise, lolol). You have yet to explain this, and I'm waiting on it. Also wtf: On September 08 2015 08:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: Superbia are you there? Same with NocturneMage. I need my townie circle right now. I was not in your townie circle: + Show Spoiler + On September 07 2015 09:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: ok i've calmed down a bit. this is where i'm at. town: raynpelikoneet, NocturneMage town lean: yamato77 null: Superbia, scott31337, boxerfred, Breshke, Alakaslam people to look into: CopCake, Fidei86, GlowingBear i want reads from all of my null people. - Superbia has been asking a lot but not giving much reads which creates the illusion of a town working hard. - boxerfred and Breshke need to participate some more. - Alakaslam needs to do some more work and not filling his filter with useless posts. has a relaxed manner and the town read on n00bKing which i liked. people to look into: - GlowingBear's play was weird af at EoD. he needs to put in some work although he'll probably be sorted out by D2. - i've already talked about CopCake. - Fidei86 did some weird EoD things and i don't like how he's focused on me when i've answered his questions. rather he's refused to listen to them and seems to want to force a lynch on me. he's also been town reading copcake for no reason. once copcake flips scum, this is my next target. I'm not going to lie though, I am not completely convinced myself that moosy is mafia yet. Although he has done questionable things, and his thought process is hard to discern from a townie perspective, I can still the possibility that it maybe is (from a town perspective). He is a heavy mafia lean at the moment. I have the following questions for him: - What did noobking's alignment have to do with cake's alignment? Why were you fine with making an associative read at that point in time? Why did you have to be bullied into voting cake by cake herself after: You think cake is mafia if noobking is town -> you think noobking is town -> ??? - What made you so wishy-washy on noobking's alignment? Your read on him during 1d went like this: town, then you had him as '???' at some point during the day, saying you would be able to read him after he posted a "big case" (which never happened). Then you called him town again. But near EoD you had suspicions again (pointing out that some of his play was reminiscent of his mafia play). Finally at pretty much EoD you said you were fine with sheeping rayn (even though it was super obvious he was likely going to switch to noobking) and then at the last moment oppose the noobking lynch (after enough votes were in). Go through that process and tell me what was going through your head. Why was noobking town at certain key points? Why was he iffy/mafia at other times? Why were you fine with sheeping rayn (specifically: when you said that, what were you expecting to happen with the lynch)? Cake After playing voice mafia with cake I think she's town this game. Looks similar to her voice-mafia town tells. Scott Calls out cake for something weird early on as being scummy, next post has her as town. No fucking idea why. Why did you flip on her so hard, scott? His hard noobking mafia read was essentially unexplained and possibly unfounded. Null, but probably town if GB flips mafia. NocturneMage Feels like he's solving the game. Said he didn't understand the wavering from slam on me but later studied it and agreed I suppose? Felt a little awkward. Overall feels like he's trying to ask relevant questions, put effort into the game and provide information (seems to read filters from other games too). Progression feels sort of natural. He goes into the meh-town circle. Breshke Had a d1 read on Breshke which I will elaborate on another day. I liked his "claiming vigi was bullshit" push on GB, but that may be bussing at this point. He's null. BoxerFred Lurky d1, which I think is NAI for BF (as I pointed out before his prev game he lurked d1 and he was PR, so it might be a mafia or PR thing)? I didn't really like his push on fidei (didn't really feel like it came from a townie perspective). His read progression on fidei also doesn't really make sense, as fidei was calling md mafia (iirc), which bf registered, but was still iffy about fidei's alignment after bf also started calling md mafia (similar reads???). Calls people null/mafia who have been calling GB mafia. Reads not lining up. Possible mafia. Also throws lots of null-reads around. fidei Actually just want to call this guy town for calling moosy mafia and I can't be bothered to spent more time reading filters at this point so I will. Enjoy your temporary town status. Glowingbear & Rayn A lot of the game depends on whether GB is mafia or town (if he flips town, Rayn can't get a pass). Rayn, you are hard claiming, yes? If you actually are and GB flips blue you are fucked this game. I don't give a shit how townie you have looked. If you are CCing here as VT you are also potentially preventing a (newbie) player with the real role from doing the CC. Like personally I don't give a shit about the doctor and am more than happy to trade doctor for mafia. Also looking back at it, claiming doctor is probably the worse play. Claiming cop would be better as mafia. In fact, claiming doctor allows you to get fucked super hard N1, because if there is a save you're pretty much confirmed mafia. Idk why mafia!GB would claim doc. W/e. You should definitely rescind your CC if you're VT, rayn. That being said, after GB's weird posts (drunk/food poison stuff) at EoN I kind of expect GB to be mafia. Solution So, if we assume GB is scum, I think we kill the red people (with slam last, because re-reading his filter atm makes me feel like he may be town lol, so maybe breshke instead of slam) and win the game: Final Day 1 Votecount n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam copcake (2): moosydoosy, nocturnemage GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Voting (0): But if GB flips doc, the game is fucked because rayn might be scum too. You'll need to kill him then. And at least one of his team members will have been hard-aligned with him. Can't be bothered making up this world atm. So much time spent already. | ||
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On September 09 2015 06:53 NocturneMage wrote: lol I'm an ER doctor IRL (and I'm serious, this is NOT a doc claim or anything) I work crazy overnights sometimes but that's not the reason for my name. I'm a huge League fanatic, hence my name, I generally enjoy playing casters. unfortunately my wife prefers to play dota. honestly fuck dota. would policy lynch any dota player in this game if I could (okay not really) anyways fidei I'm not giving her town cred necessarily. I'm working backwards. are you suggesting that copcake is bussing gb then if gb flips red? in your world gb is red? can you then explain the points I drew up in my wall of text? I am struggling with that. actually this question should be posted to ANYONE who thinks copcake is mafia. we are all in the world I think where gb flips mafia. she has scum tells but you have to explain the mafia motivation for calling out a partner in gb the way she did what troubles me with md is that in his world copcake should NOT be top lynch UNLESS he can explain the bussing situation. so I need to reconcile this. NOW I'm off to bed. will sort it out tomorrow. Lynch it with fire. | ||
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On September 09 2015 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote: also @Superbia: I already explained this to Fidei. My read progression was as follows: 1. n00bKing is town. 2. Everyone scum reads n00bKing. 3. Me: ???...maybe I'm wrong 4. n00bKing posts more of his usual stuff 5. Me: n00bKing is town. But what happened at EoD when you were iffy again? What made you want to sheep rayn knowing full well he was hard reading noobking scum. | ||
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On September 09 2015 06:57 Alakaslam wrote: Hey super, FYI my stance on you is "don't touch until D3 at earliest" Thx Remember I give people chances when they are not in the tunnel of thuu (like GlowingBear is and Breshke was) Yeah it's fine. I actually kinda started flipping on you in my big post. Maybe because I like reading your posts, but I probably won't even touch you d3. | ||
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