• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:02
CEST 11:02
KST 18:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 - RO4 & Finals Results (2025)2Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week0Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer11Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.8Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)14
StarCraft 2
General
How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals Rain's Behind the Scenes Storytime Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer Code S Season 2 - RO4 & Finals Results (2025) Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target
Brood War
General
ASL20 Preliminary Maps BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Echoes of Revolution and Separation Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 29880 users

Newbie Student Mafia XIV: Firefly - Page 13

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 17 Next All
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 00:41 GMT
#1536
On September 08 2015 09:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lolol GB "knows" i am lying but is voting for James.
this game is hilarious.


You can be doing this out of true rage.
Fidei can't be believing you after all those things.

Oh but you just said you believe he fits as a scumbuddy with rayn.
get rekt scum.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 00:44 GMT
#1539
On September 08 2015 09:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 09:34 Superbia wrote:
On September 08 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 08 2015 09:30 Superbia wrote:
Why is copcake mafia?

if rayn is willing to calm down and listen i will provide why she is mafia.


Just letters on a screen.

Present the case please.

c00l one mo im adding one little bit at the end.

...rayn are you willing to at least read through the whole thing please?

nope
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 13:01 GMT
#1603
I have literally zero reason to post until EoN2.
Doesn't help i would most likely end up arguing with scummydoosy.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 13:05 GMT
#1607
On September 08 2015 22:03 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have literally zero reason to post until EoN2.
Doesn't help i would most likely end up arguing with scummydoosy.

False. We need to keep looking for the other 2 scum. Wasting a day is what the Mafia are hoping we'll do.

Not really, we are looking for 1 more scum.
And at this point i am biased of thinking NM is the last scum because he cannot realize Cake cannot possibly be mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 13:16 GMT
#1611
Oh really?
Then why is your filter from D2 basically purely focused on telling "why Cake is mafia"?

Because the townie thing to do, if you realize she isn't, is to say:
"it does not matter, she cannot be mafia". Instead of these posts:
On September 08 2015 09:33 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 09:30 Superbia wrote:
Why is copcake mafia?


Hang on. I kept hammering the same post home d1. Going to find it again lol.

On September 08 2015 09:36 NocturneMage wrote:
This is NOT my case/points, but these are some points presented against her:

Show nested quote +
On September 06 2015 06:30 n00bKing wrote:
On September 06 2015 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 06 2015 06:03 n00bKing wrote:
On September 06 2015 02:10 yamato77 wrote:
n00bKing wrote:
On THIS site, it seems like the games usually have a few dim bulbs. It's a lower level of play than I'm used to, and I'm still trying to make adjustments. This is an example of such an adjustment.

Fucking LOL

pot, kettle, black

Mmmm, NO. It was only my SECOND game here on this site, when I asked the other players if they knew of any good places to play Mafia-by-Forum. Because this ain't it. Players here don't care, players here don't try, and I don't think some of them would know how to try even if they wanted to. But I had said I would play in Moosy's 4th and final Newbie game, so here I am.


stop bitching. this is the site with the most quality mafia games on the internet.

why is cake mafia?

Most games, maybe, which is why I came here. Because the places I like to play don't have games as frequently. But there's no quality here.

Cake is suspicious because her vote against me comes in an obvious pile-on position for Scum that is looking for a safe place to land. She continually says things about Moosy that are not true, and projects onto him her own scummy behaviors, as though she's watching a mirror instead of watching him. She is also overly defensive in situations that don't call for it. Which is not always a Scum trait, but is seen from Scum more often than from Town, in my experience. GlowingBear and Scott (mostly GB) have cited specific posts from CopCake that are suspicious, and I had similar findings.

On September 08 2015 09:57 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 09:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 08 2015 09:52 NocturneMage wrote:
Yeah MD I also took issue with #3, she blew that out of proportion by saying you were antagonising her. Like I read around her response to you. Her comment against you is bullshit.

what do you think about the case in general?


I think the case overall is excellent. #1 and 3 were points that n00bking alluded to, and #3 and #5 were similar to the ideas I was hammering home.

I'm also not impressed she couldn't readily produce the associative reads off her top scum read.

table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 13:29 GMT
#1616
On September 08 2015 22:24 NocturneMage wrote:
rayn, here's the thing, her play has been scummy to me, so I can't ignore that. I don't think in terms of absolutes either as the claim situation from gb is stronger than my read (or any read) on cake and I'm working backwards on that and looking at all possibilities.

that's why I'm talking about a possible bus in a world where gb and cake are both mafia, do I think it's likely, probably not, but her gameplay has me thinking twice. I'd hate to have just entirely ignored the possibility where someone (anyone) makes a sick bus early on in the game and then rides that cred to victory.

Let's assume you believe the second part you wrote is true.
How can you possibly ever think anyone is mafia if "anything is possible"?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 13:32 GMT
#1618
On September 08 2015 22:31 NocturneMage wrote:
and yet again I can't tell why you'd assume illogical = mafia. several situations I've observed where "illogical" townies have gotten mislynched in these games. or where townies have played suboptimally and just mafia-sided hard.

If you think my scum reading copcake is mafia driven or flawed (or with md's) I'm surprised she hasn't refuted the points made. Personally I understand the confirmation bias argument with some of the points made by md, but to me it's just when you take all those points together, you have a fairly strong case.

Even if you or her think the case is bad if she was town, I don't get why she isn't carrying on and looking for the other two scum or in her world where gb and md are scum, the last scum. At some point, to me, any town just sitting back and not doing anything isn't going to help.

She already thinks GB and Moosydoosy are mafia and that's pretty much guaranteed 2/2 right.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 13:41 GMT
#1620
Look i don't really care.
If you want to push Cake who has been calling GB mafia all game long fine. Please do.
When GB flips i will convince the town to lynch Moosydoosy.
If you do continue this i will also convince the town lynch you after Moosydoosy flips scum.
Because oh boy, after that you look really stupid if you are town.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 13:42 GMT
#1622
And this is exactly why i don't want to say anything until EoN2.
So please, everyone continue doing whatever you want to push.

I am reading, just not posting.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 17:43 GMT
#1639
There is nothing sub-optimal in my play because i literally thought both of GB and noobking are mafia and i am sure as hell not gonna out myself on D1 if i am 99% sure i am lynching mafia anyways.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 17:46 GMT
#1640
N1 there are only three plausible scenarios, from likeliest to unlikeliest:
1) GlowingBear is mafia and does not get shot
2) I doc GlowingBear (which i did) in case he is just a terrible townie saving his own skin from getting lynched by fakeclaiming -> noone dies -> GB is confirmed town
3) I die -> GB is confirmed mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 17:47 GMT
#1641
EBWOP:
1) GlowingBear is mafia and does not get shot (mafia does not know who the doctor is and is medic dodging and therefore not shooting me)
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 18:12 GMT
#1643
On September 09 2015 03:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2015 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
N1 there are only three plausible scenarios, from likeliest to unlikeliest:
1) GlowingBear is mafia and does not get shot
2) I doc GlowingBear (which i did) in case he is just a terrible townie saving his own skin from getting lynched by fakeclaiming -> noone dies -> GB is confirmed town
3) I die -> GB is confirmed mafia.


OR

Mafia KNOWS I'm the doctor, roleblocks me and kill the towniest guy in the game or goes after the other role.

Yeah sure. Like any mafia team would keep the non-cc'd power role alive. It's plain out retarded.
Keep that up scum.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 18:22 GMT
#1646
On September 07 2015 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 07:12 yamato77 wrote:
It would be quite amazing if both GB and NK were mafia.

they are.

On September 07 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
shit got real.

On September 07 2015 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 07:16 yamato77 wrote:
nope, lynch with fire

i am actually heavily considering to just doing this.


On September 07 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 07:17 yamato77 wrote:
NO NO NO NO NO

No fucking doctor softs blue at the start of the day, jokingly or not

this


On September 07 2015 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 07:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
fuck. what do we do rayn. believe him or not??

do not


On September 07 2015 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no just lynch GB.


On September 07 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 07:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol GB, if you are town I hope you fucking learn how to play because i have no words to say how stupid you are for your play this whole phase

ftfy


On September 07 2015 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 07 2015 07:20 n00bKing wrote:
On September 07 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:
JESUS I SAID I WAS VIGI BECAUSE MAFIA KNOW THE ROLES SO I WOULDNT BE SHOT AR NIHJT

If you claim Vigilante in a ruleset where you're the Doctor, the Cop would know you are lying.


So he just checks me at night if he is smart.

Then he gets a green check on me and I keep alive.

That's why I didn't want to talk about my claim.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!


On September 07 2015 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 07:22 Fidei86 wrote:
Meh, my reads are all wrong, but lynching into the doctor claim seems dumb. Switched to MD.

no no no.


On September 07 2015 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
5min, the only acceptable switch is noobking.
what do we do?
quick,.


On September 07 2015 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: n00bKing


Ifcake gets lynched i am going to fucking yell at every single piece of shit of you who voted for her.


On September 07 2015 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2015 07:27 yamato77 wrote:
On September 07 2015 07:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On September 07 2015 07:25 Superbia wrote:
Switch to noobking.

im not up for this. gb's thought process makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. why would he think cop would check him unless he's godfather???

do not underestimate GB's ability to be dumb

mmm this
he's dead anyways on D2.

you can all make your own conclusions.
i am done with talking to glowingbear.

he is 100% mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 18:32 GMT
#1648
On September 09 2015 03:31 Fidei86 wrote:
I liked Superbia's effort in his list post earlier, but I totally disagree with his Slam read. I basically think I need to get to grips with Cake, because I think figuring out her alignment will make this a bunch easier. I'm out this evening but I'll be back on tonight.

I actually think he is mafia for that post.
Before it he claims "it will probably solve the game", and the post introduces 4 scumreads and a bunch of null-reads.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 18:36 GMT
#1650
On September 09 2015 03:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2015 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think the following people are mafia:

NocturneMage, Slam, Fidei.

meh i don't fucking know, maybe i am wrong on one of those and Moosy is actualyl scum.
There is a chance GlowingBear is scum, but it will sort out itself anyways so i don't really care.

I don't really feel like writing a lot of stuff now.

NM:
totally isn't reading the thread properly. There are things like:
Pretty sure n00b was interacting/pushing rayn at least the first half of the cycle.

noobking himself said he wasn't pushing me. he is either not reading, or for some reason doesn't care.
Furthermore he scumreads both noobking and Cake. Apparently noobkign was just being terrible all game but there was ZERO chance both of noobking and Cake are mafia, so scumreading both of htem makes absolutely no sense. Like his reads are not logical, and they do not make any sense at all. He isn't listening to what other people say at all. He is just calling some people scum for no reason.

Fidei feels like he is not even in the game. Like he is just here and not doing anything at all. idk... i can't explain it better, he jsut isn't doing anything. And the vote switch from GB to boxer was super terrible, there is no way ANYONE should do that if they want to save someone. There was no chance boxerfred is gonna get lynched either way.

Slam is scum. I don't care yamato, sorry. He is just scum because he isn't listening to me and he is not answering me. He dodges fucking questions and i don't like it. Kill with fire.

If i am wrong on something then it's probably Moosy who is the last mafia. The noobking/cake read he had is like super bad and feels like he just wants two townies lynched.



If you are do not lynch Cake on D2. She is not mafia and you should not trust people who want to lynch her. Mafia is gonna try that 100%. I promise. Glowingbear if you are town get your head out of your fucking ass and eat roleblocks for the rest of the game. Also if you do not doc me you are terrible as fuck. I don't care what you think. You have been super bad in this game and now is time to start playing properly if you are not mafia.

yamato you can do this. I believe in you and Cake. Work together please and solve this shit.
boxerfred and scott are not scum either. When they posted they talked about relevant things and had logical conclusions on stuff. If you compare this to for example James there is a huge fucking difference in how they approach the game. It should be really easy to see. Those are also lynches mafia is going to push (boxer/scott), they are easy to lynch because they do not generally post much. Townies do not fall into the trap. Superbia is not mafia either, ESPECIALLY if GB is town. It doesn't make any sense for him to push the lynch against GB if that was the case. If GB is mafia, i'd put Superbia into null-category. That could make sense. Although atm i do not believe GB to be mafia so only if he is scum and you guys catch him somehow, then re-evaluate Superbia.

Mafia is basically in NM, James, Slam, Moosy(?) and GB(?).
The last one will sort itself out, so do not worry about him. He'll claim roleblocked anyways. Do not claim in case GB is scum and you are blue, until someone who is town (basically not from the list above) is gonna get lynched.

I would probably lynch Slam on D2. His posts have zero substance, and they don't even make any sense from slam!logic!pov. Again, he fails to answer questions that are super clear. Do not let him get away with it.

I am sorry i did that on D1.
goodluck


yeah so you conclusde that i would cc you on N1 which is even more retarded than cc'ing you on D1. lol.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 18:37 GMT
#1654
Or if you are trying to say i am contradicting myself then yes, i am, obviously, because either:
1) i die and you are confirmed mafia anyways
2) i don't die in which case i can say what the fuck i want on N1 anyways
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 18:38 GMT
#1655
anyways i am off to play heroes.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 20:48 GMT
#1669
On September 09 2015 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The funny thing is that I looked at a game where rayn + CopCake were mafia.

which game would that be?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2015 20:50 GMT
#1673
On September 09 2015 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2015 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The funny thing is that I looked at a game where rayn + CopCake were mafia.

which game would that be?

Moosydoosy answer asap-.
table for two on a tv tray
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 17 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 58m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mcanning 112
trigger 36
StarCraft: Brood War
Mong 782
BeSt 235
EffOrt 217
ZerO 104
Movie 73
JulyZerg 67
sorry 48
GoRush 42
Sharp 30
ToSsGirL 18
[ Show more ]
Sacsri 13
Rush 12
ivOry 4
Dota 2
XaKoH 594
XcaliburYe282
Fuzer 75
League of Legends
JimRising 388
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1302
shoxiejesuss778
Stewie2K474
Other Games
C9.Mang0894
ceh9780
Mew2King103
Trikslyr24
ZerO(Twitch)12
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream4677
Other Games
gamesdonequick818
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 64
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH247
• LUISG 25
• OhrlRock 2
• NRBsc1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt786
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
58m
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
WardiTV Qualifier
6h 58m
PiGosaur Monday
14h 58m
RSL Revival
1d
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
1d 14h
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Harstem vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
[ Show More ]
SC Evo League
4 days
Circuito Brasileiro de…
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #3 - GSC
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST Open Fall 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.