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WaveofShadow
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On August 28 2015 00:53 KelsierSC wrote: wave your explanation for why CC may be scum is a post of a townread on him. You asked me to explain why I looked back into a past game to call him scum based on meta, I showed you why. | ||
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On August 28 2015 01:01 KelsierSC wrote: you said you went back looked at games , one really old game where he was scum. but you remembered his past games and as a result you have a tentative town read on him. So what I don't understand is why you now think he is scum. I didn't remember his scumgame which is why I wanted to go back and look at it to see if it wouold affect my townread. It did.I don't think he's scum because of that one game, but my townread on him is gone-ish as from that game I can see that he could very well be playing this way as scum. I'm not following what you're not following here. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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You're not changing your waste of a vote anyway you've made that clear | ||
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On August 28 2015 01:15 marvellosity wrote: that's my one long post of the game, savour it Like a fine steak. also marv when you read me like that how is it you never get me lynched also I am super tempted to shenanny onto hopeless but if hopeless is scum, does he come back and bother to post at all? I guess he needed to vote to avoid modkill so mebbe | ||
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On August 28 2015 01:19 marvellosity wrote: well, the 2 games i particularly remember calling you mafia in, i died the night after i started doing so  Hmm. Actually that's probably exactly accurate. I know I don't mind keeping you alive for longer than most scumteams would but you obviously must trigger something to make me kill you and I'm usually mostly in control of the NKs in games I play. I think I'm learning more about my scumgame in this game than anything | ||
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On August 26 2015 20:30 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, it is. I have no idea what about this is interesting to Trfel when marv had posted exactly those posts at that time: There is no way Trfel seriously expects Palmar to be able to make any kind of conclusion about marv based on this. So...a few of us established that this itself isn't the weirdest thing Trfel could have asked. At the very least some plausible explanations were offered, but JAT is having none of it and just deeptunnels based on this alone. I really would expect JAT as town to be more reasonable and consider other options than to tunnel in this way. I am aware he can be stubborn and have a stick where the sun don't shine at times, but he's not even necessarily being that way, just...oddly obstinate about something seemingly minor. On August 26 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote: He shouldn't townread me for that, true. But please don't try to make it look like you have any real reason to think I am mafia because you really don't. This looks like townJAT [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:30 justanothertownie wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right. /QUOTE] ???????????? What is this shit?[/QUOTE] This is one post JAT makes (and apparently Kelsier too) where I say something seemingly simple (to me at least) that they call me scummy for but marv very reasonably is able to point out the correct thought process/point I am trying to make. Can't tell if this is deliberate on either of their accounts because it's just weird. It's hard for me to tell from a non-biased point of view whether the points people are confused about SHOULD be things that anyone should EASILY be able to pick up on but they're being nitpicked 'cause scum or bad. I think this would be indicative if I could remember whether or not this is something JAT normally does---I feel like it is so maybe it's not indicative? I know for someone like HF it's completely non-indicative because he does that shit all the time to everyone. I should re-interate here that I think it's a little harder for me to read JAT this game because of the early pressure he's getting. Marv/rsoul made it very clear that they would have expected WAY more from him at this point were he town and I agree but I also think it's possible that JAT isn't just playing drama queen and playing up his stubbornness/anger to avoid doing stuff, but I truly do think JAT is a better player than to go 36h with only a weak push on Trfel to show for it. [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 02:22 Palmar wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I am leaving now. It is wednesday and wednesday night is pubquiz time. Maybe I will return for a short while later, maybe I won't. Can make any promises about tomorrows activity since it is my birthday. When I return I will flat out ignore any further bullshit brought up against me unless I think it is alignment indicative. Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little.[/QUOTE] Explain exactly why you think CC is mafia.[/QUOTE] He is a little too correct I think. Very very clean posts.[/QUOTE] Actually there IS a little more. Some stuff on CC, etc [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 08:09 justanothertownie wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 08:07 marvellosity wrote: no it was world championships i was referring to but then this leads to another thought that i have to explain, and it's really not worth it but it doesn't matter enough :p maybe i'll flick through russia today, but my thoughts about recent games with you as town are as above ^^ I do understand you're being tunnelled and that's difficult (as either alignment) which is why i'm not hardcore on you, because if you'd played this unproductively regarding reads/posts and you weren't under a lot of pressure, i'd think you were very very likely mafia[/QUOTE] Whatever. Fact is I am not mafia and I trust you to see this at some point even thoughI will not have much time for this game. I would be very disappointed if you didn't because you are more or less the only player on this site who can read me.[/QUOTE] A LOT of these appeals throughout. No likey. [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 18:24 justanothertownie wrote: [QUOTE]On August 27 2015 18:02 Trfel wrote: And yes, I do? Because I'm obviously town?[/QUOTE] And I have a very hard time believing this can be genuine. There is no way Trfel can think he was towny enough for Palmar to call him confirmed town when he did. This lacks any towny paranoia and feels like he just said it because he thought a townie should answer like this.[/QUOTE] Thought process is interesting but it really COULD just be town Trfel acting like this JAT immediately tosses it out. (Side note, that post where marv tells JAT exactly what he wants to hear about everyone being idiots and stuff made me want to lynch JAT SO BADLY just to be able to read the salt from either alignment postgame in the obs QT) I had the idea going into this that JAT was completely unreasonable and only did stuff when prodded a couple hours ago but that honestly seems to be untrue. I can't comfortably be rid of the fact that he could be scum simply based on Palmar's convictions and the couple bad things I see in here, coupled with the fact that JAT is overall a solid player and has done nothing in this game he couldn't have done as either alignment. I also don't like that he's latched onto me because he's obviously wrong but he seems to be increasingly reasonable about my play (which is sort of a trend given CC's recent post. Less so Kelsier because he keeps prodding me and I have no idea to what end) I think ultimately I continue to sheep my betters here whatever they decide on JAT but he's not clear scum by any means. I think I might like a Hopeless lynch better | ||
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JAT On August 26 2015 20:30 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, it is. I have no idea what about this is interesting to Trfel when marv had posted exactly those posts at that time: There is no way Trfel seriously expects Palmar to be able to make any kind of conclusion about marv based on this. So...a few of us established that this itself isn't the weirdest thing Trfel could have asked. At the very least some plausible explanations were offered, but JAT is having none of it and just deeptunnels based on this alone. I really would expect JAT as town to be more reasonable and consider other options than to tunnel in this way. I am aware he can be stubborn and have a stick where the sun don't shine at times, but he's not even necessarily being that way, just...oddly obstinate about something seemingly minor. On August 26 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote: He shouldn't townread me for that, true. But please don't try to make it look like you have any real reason to think I am mafia because you really don't. This looks like townJAT This is one post JAT makes (and apparently Kelsier too) where I say something seemingly simple (to me at least) that they call me scummy for but marv very reasonably is able to point out the correct thought process/point I am trying to make. Can't tell if this is deliberate on either of their accounts because it's just weird. It's hard for me to tell from a non-biased point of view whether the points people are confused about SHOULD be things that anyone should EASILY be able to pick up on but they're being nitpicked 'cause scum or bad. I think this would be indicative if I could remember whether or not this is something JAT normally does---I feel like it is so maybe it's not indicative? I know for someone like HF it's completely non-indicative because he does that shit all the time to everyone. I should re-interate here that I think it's a little harder for me to read JAT this game because of the early pressure he's getting. Marv/rsoul made it very clear that they would have expected WAY more from him at this point were he town and I agree but I also think it's possible that JAT isn't just playing drama queen and playing up his stubbornness/anger to avoid doing stuff, but I truly do think JAT is a better player than to go 36h with only a weak push on Trfel to show for it. On August 27 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote: He is a little too correct I think. Very very clean posts. Actually there IS a little more. Some stuff on CC, etc On August 27 2015 08:09 justanothertownie wrote: Whatever. Fact is I am not mafia and I trust you to see this at some point even thoughI will not have much time for this game. I would be very disappointed if you didn't because you are more or less the only player on this site who can read me. A LOT of these appeals throughout. No likey. On August 27 2015 18:24 justanothertownie wrote: And I have a very hard time believing this can be genuine. There is no way Trfel can think he was towny enough for Palmar to call him confirmed town when he did. This lacks any towny paranoia and feels like he just said it because he thought a townie should answer like this. Thought process is interesting but it really COULD just be town Trfel acting like this JAT immediately tosses it out. (Side note, that post where marv tells JAT exactly what he wants to hear about everyone being idiots and stuff made me want to lynch JAT SO BADLY just to be able to read the salt from either alignment postgame in the obs QT) I had the idea going into this that JAT was completely unreasonable and only did stuff when prodded a couple hours ago but that honestly seems to be untrue. I can't comfortably be rid of the fact that he could be scum simply based on Palmar's convictions and the couple bad things I see in here, coupled with the fact that JAT is overall a solid player and has done nothing in this game he couldn't have done as either alignment. I also don't like that he's latched onto me because he's obviously wrong but he seems to be increasingly reasonable about my play (which is sort of a trend given CC's recent post. Less so Kelsier because he keeps prodding me and I have no idea to what end) I think ultimately I continue to sheep my betters here whatever they decide on JAT but he's not clear scum by any means. I think I might like a Hopeless lynch better | ||
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On August 28 2015 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Wow, Wave actually did what I asked of him. I prefer to think of it as being reminded to do what I probably should have done a while ago rather than doing what I'm told. Not really satisified with filter dive tbh. Filter diving has rarely done me any good in the past and it really didn't offer me a much better read on JAT. Most of my good play in recent games has come with me going on my gut and I'm having indigestion right now. | ||
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On August 28 2015 02:04 justanothertownie wrote: The terms wishy-washy and non-commital were made to describe this post. Wave still leaves his option to lynch me open without openly calling me scum and shifting blame to Palmar. Not a fan. Well you and I both agree then. It's a shame wishy-washy and non committal are not scumtells. | ||
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On August 28 2015 02:06 justanothertownie wrote: Once I am mislynched he can then go back and say "Hey I reevaluated and said he might be town". Sorry but I only sheeped Palmar. You obviously know nothing of my play. | ||
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SO frustrating that people continue to hinge on 'wishy-washy' as some indicator of scum. | ||
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On August 28 2015 02:08 justanothertownie wrote: Let me guess you are "too good to do that as scum". Right? No it's pure and simple not an indication of scumplay, but obviously this doesn't matter coming from me. If you're town just take this lesson to heart. | ||
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On August 28 2015 02:09 justanothertownie wrote: HF caught you on being wishy washy in heavyweight really early. Ok, but is that something that I only do as scum? Enlighten me. | ||
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On August 28 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote: I could dig up some quotes from the scum qt there where you say that as mafia you are actually afraid that your big posts just say a whole lot of nothing. And you'd be right, I often do make big posts that say a lot of nothing. But I do so as both alignments. 'Wishy-washiness' is not a scumtell. It is done frequently as both alignments by many people. I mean this is useless I'm not going to convince you that I'm not mafia based on this nor is there a point to it. My filter dive is what it is, and nothing more. | ||
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On August 28 2015 02:13 KelsierSC wrote: so you make a wishy-washy post that doesn't commit to anything but you allow yourself to sheep palmar "such analysis, why would scum ever do this omg" yeh ok,can you answer my quesiton about CC please. No, sick of entertaining questions that go nowhere and attempting to explain extremely simple things to someone who just doesn't get them. Of all the waffle I've waffled in this game I'm so back and forth on KSC. I keep looking back and thinking 'ok maybe it's not scummy and I'm just OMGUSing' but his pressure on me feels way more forced than anything JAT has pushed out. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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How does that change your insistence that me thinking Palmar's 'pretty good' thing was scummy? | ||
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This is why I'm sick of dealing with you. I didn't remember his scumgame which is why I wanted to go back and look at it to see if it wouold affect my townread. It did.I don't think he's scum because of that one game, but my townread on him is gone-ish as from that game I can see that he could very well be playing this way as scum. Seriously what the fuck | ||
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WaveofShadow
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I DONT FUCKING UNDERSTAND WHAT YOURE MISSING HERE | ||
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Done. On August 28 2015 02:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Your case was OK. You truly go back-and-forth on JAT and that's what you probably would be doing if you're town, see a bunch of people pushing on him, and want to get a read. I've done the same thing with JAT. I don't think you make an entire case just to reaffirm your sheeping nature on Palmar as mafia. I still don't agree with voting JAT purely "because Palmar", and I think that you openly admitted that you never read JAT / Palmar's reasons for lynching JAT up until now. Do you do that as mafia? Probably not. Your interactions with JAT, too, are seeming like town-on-town. I don't really see how anything I do though just in that one case changes what your original points were on me. | ||
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