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On August 27 2015 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:14 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2015 01:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ah thought marv ninja voted in the thread but it was rsoul.
Well either way I'm still ok with it.
I mean you're welcome to defend/deflect by pushing me JAT.
Bring it. marginally concerning you missed my 51 posts where i said i was fence-sitting / reserving judgement / waiting for more I mean...I read them and remembered them when I realized I was wrong, but 17 pages is a lot to absorb at once. And now I've got oatmeal in my keyboard.
at least something good came of this then 
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[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:30 justanothertownie wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.
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i understood, he meant Palmar called me town based on not much at the start, reserving the right to switch his judgement later. And Wave's own opinion is that Palmar's original opinion on me was right
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On August 27 2015 01:40 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:38 rsoultin wrote:
Message to a non-jatty jat:
When do you plan on showing up to this game?
-your not-so-friendly neighborhood raoul I already did and if you think my play isn't jatty then you have no idea what jatty is. I don't know why you would think that you can toneread me anyways. You clearly aren't able to do so if you are town.
you know that i usually townread you quite easily when you are town.
i get that you have this push on you + not much time, but i still can't really see a reason to townread you right now
so that IS a thing.
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On August 27 2015 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 27 2015 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 01:04 Vivax wrote:On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catching up.
Frigging euro dominated game ##unvoteShould have just said marv/Palmar dominated game. Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point. On what basis? On the basis that they took over the thread entirely. Unless they are BOTH scum and are playing beyond both of their usual abilities which to me frankly seems near impossible, it's extremely unlikely based on their interactions that one of them is scum and the other isn't. What about their interactions makes it unlikely that one is scum and the other isn't? Because from the looks of it to me it could be either both town or one/one...I agree that mafia/mafia makes no sense in any world. Because they can both read each other extremely well and due to the amount of back-and-forth they have already had, it's likely that one would have found something about the other strange already. It's EXACTLY the amount of back and forth that I find disconcerting. Like, they have back and forth every game but it's a LOT in this game and they IMMEDIATELY townread one another (at least it looks that way to me.) In my experience that's a result of one of them being mafia and trying hard to get the other to townread them, saying all the right things, etc. Both Palmar AND Marv are capable of fooling the other, it just takes effort that generally neither of them are willing to put in. Who's to say they aren't willing to put it in this game? I only mention it because it looks like you're building town/town marv/Palmar as the foundation of your thought process this game and I'm getting bad feels from Palmar.
red: please show where i did this
green: please provide one instance of this happening, because as far as i'm aware this is never how it works and you're making things up
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On August 27 2015 01:48 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:46 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2015 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 27 2015 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 27 2015 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 01:04 Vivax wrote:On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catching up.
Frigging euro dominated game ##unvoteShould have just said marv/Palmar dominated game. Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point. On what basis? On the basis that they took over the thread entirely. Unless they are BOTH scum and are playing beyond both of their usual abilities which to me frankly seems near impossible, it's extremely unlikely based on their interactions that one of them is scum and the other isn't. What about their interactions makes it unlikely that one is scum and the other isn't? Because from the looks of it to me it could be either both town or one/one...I agree that mafia/mafia makes no sense in any world. Because they can both read each other extremely well and due to the amount of back-and-forth they have already had, it's likely that one would have found something about the other strange already. It's EXACTLY the amount of back and forth that I find disconcerting. Like, they have back and forth every game but it's a LOT in this game and they IMMEDIATELY townread one another (at least it looks that way to me.) In my experience that's a result of one of them being mafia and trying hard to get the other to townread them, saying all the right things, etc. Both Palmar AND Marv are capable of fooling the other, it just takes effort that generally neither of them are willing to put in. Who's to say they aren't willing to put it in this game? I only mention it because it looks like you're building town/town marv/Palmar as the foundation of your thought process this game and I'm getting bad feels from Palmar. red: please show where i did this green: please provide one instance of this happening, because as far as i'm aware this is never how it works and you're making things up He is wrong. But the general idea is good. You have absolutely fooled Palmar before and even if you are both town it is extremely lazy and bad to use this as a foundation for reads on other people.
yes, I have fooled Palmar for a while before (usually a cycle or two) but never, ever as a result of me saying things to Palmar that he wants to hear.
And the distinction is important, because VE is talking about Palmar-marv interactions in particular.
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On August 27 2015 01:50 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:46 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2015 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 27 2015 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 27 2015 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 01:04 Vivax wrote:On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catching up.
Frigging euro dominated game ##unvoteShould have just said marv/Palmar dominated game. Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point. On what basis? On the basis that they took over the thread entirely. Unless they are BOTH scum and are playing beyond both of their usual abilities which to me frankly seems near impossible, it's extremely unlikely based on their interactions that one of them is scum and the other isn't. What about their interactions makes it unlikely that one is scum and the other isn't? Because from the looks of it to me it could be either both town or one/one...I agree that mafia/mafia makes no sense in any world. Because they can both read each other extremely well and due to the amount of back-and-forth they have already had, it's likely that one would have found something about the other strange already. It's EXACTLY the amount of back and forth that I find disconcerting. Like, they have back and forth every game but it's a LOT in this game and they IMMEDIATELY townread one another (at least it looks that way to me.) In my experience that's a result of one of them being mafia and trying hard to get the other to townread them, saying all the right things, etc. Both Palmar AND Marv are capable of fooling the other, it just takes effort that generally neither of them are willing to put in. Who's to say they aren't willing to put it in this game? I only mention it because it looks like you're building town/town marv/Palmar as the foundation of your thought process this game and I'm getting bad feels from Palmar. red: please show where i did this green: please provide one instance of this happening, because as far as i'm aware this is never how it works and you're making things up It's based on your interactions, it just FEELS like you townread him marv. Hence the parenthetical. I've BEEN mafia with you before WITH Palmar in the game, and THIS IS HOW YOU DESCRIBED IT TO ME. Maybe I'm high and am misremembering, but this is MY way to read you and Palmar and has been for a while now. If it's mistaken please correct me.
Hero Mini Mafia by HiroPro
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/w59fV9HUwCzB
that is our mafia QT
I've not checked through it, hopefully I am proved right
I certainly left Palmar alive n1 because I thought I could handle him another day, but it wasn't because of me appealing directly to him
Wave's description is much more accurate, if we heavily interact and don't call each other mafia, that's a decent town-sign right there
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On August 27 2015 01:55 Palmar wrote:
Oh VE thinks I'm mafia.
I guess that takes him back off the do not lynch list.
apart from being petulant, this doesn't make sense
if VE is mafia and we are both town, VE knows there is 0% chance of getting a lynch on you, and even discrediting you is near-impossible with that alignment configuration
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On August 27 2015 01:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
No wait.
Dumb.
Shadow game.
yes, how could you forget one of my most comprehensive mafia triumphs
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On August 27 2015 01:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:55 Palmar wrote:
Oh VE thinks I'm mafia.
I guess that takes him back off the do not lynch list. apart from being petulant, this doesn't make sense if VE is mafia and we are both town, VE knows there is 0% chance of getting a lynch on you, and even discrediting you is near-impossible with that alignment configuration
sorry, to take this to its logical conclusion that i kinda left unsaid - the much higher percentage likelihood than that is VE is town and actually suspicious of Palmar
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On August 27 2015 01:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:57 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2015 01:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
No wait.
Dumb.
Shadow game. yes, how could you forget one of my most comprehensive mafia triumphs Yeh that was a very good one. One of the best games I've ever had the pleasure of playing in. Marv do you not think that VE has similar cohones to me in that he does not fear taking you/Palmar on as scum? I don't think Palmar's OMGUS has any particular true reason behind it but I don't think VE is ruled out.
maybe, but again if i take the marv/palmar town VE mafia alignment configuration, VE knows he has to get through me if he is going to get to Palmar, and he's openly and freely admitted a million times in the past that he can't outargue me. In that regard I think you are 100x more likely to pick that sort of fight with me than VE is
i mean i get your point and it certainly isn't an impossibility, it just doesn't seem like the likely explanation atm.
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just got home, looks like i didn't miss too much
spliff and catch up in a bit
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On August 27 2015 02:14 Palmar wrote:
moosy seems to get people mixed up easily.
I think that is irrelevant and at best slightly townie (doesn't worry too much about mistakes).
oh i like this thought
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On August 27 2015 02:29 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:25 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote:
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Hi mafia.
I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole.
I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading!
Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad. what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town your trfel push is shit do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are. it's shit. i debunked it. move on reasons You haven't debunked anything and no, I won't give you any reasons. You will have to find something to talk about that's not me. Suck it. I am off. you fail to understand why i'm scumreading you and you also fail to note that i've been talking about plenty of things not you ^^ this looks more like a dodge to me than anything else enjoy your bday can i get like a summary of what else you said. not that I don't love reading all your posts but...it's easier if it just one place lol really >< on what? on everything? even things i've changed my mind about? caveat: jat, are you saying his posts are too clean as in constructed? fine i'll go read it properly i get off on cheesecakes posting , it actually makes sense when I read it
that's why i can't shake the feeling he might be mafia. jat's clean post comment is quite close to the mark as well. dnoooo
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sorry if i'm interrupting btw :p
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On August 27 2015 07:26 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 07:25 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2015 02:29 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:25 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:
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what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town
your trfel push is shit
do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are. it's shit. i debunked it. move on reasons You haven't debunked anything and no, I won't give you any reasons. You will have to find something to talk about that's not me. Suck it. I am off. you fail to understand why i'm scumreading you and you also fail to note that i've been talking about plenty of things not you ^^ this looks more like a dodge to me than anything else enjoy your bday can i get like a summary of what else you said. not that I don't love reading all your posts but...it's easier if it just one place lol really >< on what? on everything? even things i've changed my mind about? caveat: jat, are you saying his posts are too clean as in constructed? fine i'll go read it properly i get off on cheesecakes posting , it actually makes sense when I read it that's why i can't shake the feeling he might be mafia. jat's clean post comment is quite close to the mark as well. dnoooo Despite his picking invisible nits off of me I think he's more likely town, unless he played like this in the scum game I mentioned earlier that I haven't looked at yet.
it feels more like his scumgames to me
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On August 27 2015 02:56 rsoultin wrote:
i dunnae people seem to be scumreading moosy for things that i'd expect new players to get scumread for as town :/ i'm really not sold on that
yeah this seems right
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On August 27 2015 07:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 07:28 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 07:28 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 07:21 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:
also explain
constructed posts as "too clean"? No. Too clean basically means "too correct"/"too reasonable". too correct in what way? Are you really this stupid or are you playing it? i want to know in clear english exactly what you're saying ^^ so yes, i want to know in what way you think his posts are too correct. examples. what gave you that impression. you gave a thesis statement and i want the meat He was on my side immediately and had a very good grasp on the situation from the very beginning even though very influential people like you and Palmar insisted on showing their lack of intelligence by attacking me for no reason. I just think this is easier to do as mafia who knows that I am town and that certain people are being retarded. okay that was the semi-townie option. thank you for answering on like the tenth time i asked xP If you were able to understand basic logic this would have been obvious the first time. Marv got it.
Not sure if it's my tunnel (that doesn't look anything like a tunnel though ) (it's all in my head)
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On August 27 2015 07:32 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 07:30 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2015 07:29 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 07:28 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 07:28 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 07:21 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 07:20 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:
also explain
constructed posts as "too clean"? No. Too clean basically means "too correct"/"too reasonable". too correct in what way? Are you really this stupid or are you playing it? i want to know in clear english exactly what you're saying ^^ so yes, i want to know in what way you think his posts are too correct. examples. what gave you that impression. you gave a thesis statement and i want the meat He was on my side immediately and had a very good grasp on the situation from the very beginning even though very influential people like you and Palmar insisted on showing their lack of intelligence by attacking me for no reason. I just think this is easier to do as mafia who knows that I am town and that certain people are being retarded. okay that was the semi-townie option. thank you for answering on like the tenth time i asked xP If you were able to understand basic logic this would have been obvious the first time. Marv got it. Not sure if it's my tunnel (that doesn't look anything like a tunnel though ) (it's all in my head) Ehm, ok? I will just pretend I understood whatever you said right there.
I may be a little stoned but it made sense to me :p
you said "marv got it", i gathered about the CC clean post thing. What I was saying is that in my head I've been feeling quite strongly that CC is mafia, but I haven't really been broadcasting that to the thread because I'm not sure I should even be thinking that ;p
anyway none of it is an important point, but thought i'd explain anyway ^^
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er... and because i've been thinking CC is mafia, I got what you meant.
it's all hanging together.
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I think KSC looks good.
I misread him majorly last game because he managed to make his mafiagame look much more like his towngame than I'd seen previously. he kinda went afk in the end, so we'll see, but...
he just seems so much more involved and natural this game. it looks a lot better to me than last game
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