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On August 27 2015 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 27 2015 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 01:04 Vivax wrote:On August 27 2015 00:55 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catching up.
Frigging euro dominated game ##unvoteShould have just said marv/Palmar dominated game. Which is fine I suppose since they're both extremely likely to be town at this point. On what basis? On the basis that they took over the thread entirely. Unless they are BOTH scum and are playing beyond both of their usual abilities which to me frankly seems near impossible, it's extremely unlikely based on their interactions that one of them is scum and the other isn't. What about their interactions makes it unlikely that one is scum and the other isn't? Because from the looks of it to me it could be either both town or one/one...I agree that mafia/mafia makes no sense in any world. Because they can both read each other extremely well and due to the amount of back-and-forth they have already had, it's likely that one would have found something about the other strange already. It's EXACTLY the amount of back and forth that I find disconcerting. Like, they have back and forth every game but it's a LOT in this game and they IMMEDIATELY townread one another (at least it looks that way to me.) In my experience that's a result of one of them being mafia and trying hard to get the other to townread them, saying all the right things, etc. Both Palmar AND Marv are capable of fooling the other, it just takes effort that generally neither of them are willing to put in. Who's to say they aren't willing to put it in this game? I only mention it because it looks like you're building town/town marv/Palmar as the foundation of your thought process this game and I'm getting bad feels from Palmar.
of the two i'm pretty sure marv is town
for palmar i'm still undecided, I mean he is playing the game but the tunnel on JAT feels like it needs more to it. rsoultin actually brought up the "better case" but I haven't seen anything new by palmar except to keep calling him mafia and stopping him from adding shit to the game.
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On August 27 2015 01:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:43 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 01:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 01:38 rsoultin wrote:
Message to a non-jatty jat:
When do you plan on showing up to this game?
-your not-so-friendly neighborhood raoul rsoul, do you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"? If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid. If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it. Trfel didn't ask the question dude wtf is going on For some reason I can't quote it but this is the post I'm referring to. I think you're just confused as to what exactly I'm talking about. "Family comes first, sorry. I'll be more active in maybe another hour and a half, if you're still awake then. Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity."
i mean that isn't really a question but alright.
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On August 27 2015 01:55 Palmar wrote:
Oh VE thinks I'm mafia.
I guess that takes him back off the do not lynch list.
hmm I think VE is town personally
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maybe it would be good to see what the fuck trfel actually meant before we make more reads based on it.
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On August 27 2015 02:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:03 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 01:58 Palmar wrote:On August 27 2015 01:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't really have much to say about that specifically.
Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting.
For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.
As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno. So you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"? If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid. If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it. To be perfectly honest, the townread on marv is in large based on his "this is delightful" post, because I was also enjoying that conversation a lot. Huh. Then that does make Trfel's question relevant in that context. No, it really doesn't. Because Trfel did not know this. Yes it does. Because it means that Trfel probs knew about the Palmarv bromance and felt that Palmar could have read marv based on those two posts. Either way, I'm getting tired of you just throwing things at everyone's posts with no purpose behind it. eh, I'll just sheep wave/rsoul. ##vote justanothertownie
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On August 27 2015 02:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:03 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:01 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 01:58 Palmar wrote:On August 27 2015 01:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't really have much to say about that specifically.
Palmar and marv have a super special bromance together that I can't explain accurately in any real detail. The way it seems to me is that Palmar tosses out reads super early just 'cause, some of which may be accurate and some of which might not be but he sticks with them and forces them if necessary, and re-evaluates in secret. In the scumgame where he caught me even though he forced his read on me all game he was actually constantly re-evaluating based on what was going on in game as was evidenced by his posting.
For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.
As for how this relates to Trfel/rsoul.....dunno. So you think Palmar could have read marv based on "heya" and "this is delightful"? If you say yes, then that means Trfel's question was valid. If you say no, then that means Trfel's question was weird and we need to take action on it. To be perfectly honest, the townread on marv is in large based on his "this is delightful" post, because I was also enjoying that conversation a lot. Huh. Then that does make Trfel's question relevant in that context. No, it really doesn't. Because Trfel did not know this. Yes it does. Because it means that Trfel probs knew about the Palmarv bromance and felt that Palmar could have read marv based on those two posts. Either way, I'm getting tired of you just throwing things at everyone's posts with no purpose behind it. eh, I'll just sheep wave/rsoul. ##vote justanothertownie
like...you told me you wanted to see his defence and that was why he was null...and so what has changed your mind, wave coming back? has he come back and been clearly town or ??
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On August 27 2015 02:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like MAYBE I can see Moosy giving lynch wagon credit to rsoul.
Maybe.
But me?
And since I've come back Moosy has asked me a few random questions that just seem really disjointed---like i don't get the feeling of why he needed me to come back in the first place so urgently. The only people I have ever interfaced with prior to this game are Trfel/you/rsoul. From what I've seen all 3 are good players so I'm more inclined to sheep you guys and listen to your judgment. -shrugs-
like..I don't get it what made you go from null to mafia on JAT
when you're reason for null was waiting to see the defence, what changed your mind?
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On August 27 2015 02:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:19 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like MAYBE I can see Moosy giving lynch wagon credit to rsoul.
Maybe.
But me?
And since I've come back Moosy has asked me a few random questions that just seem really disjointed---like i don't get the feeling of why he needed me to come back in the first place so urgently. The only people I have ever interfaced with prior to this game are Trfel/you/rsoul. From what I've seen all 3 are good players so I'm more inclined to sheep you guys and listen to your judgment. -shrugs- like..I don't get it what made you go from null to mafia on JAT when you're reason for null was waiting to see the defence, what changed your mind? He's been throwing shit at basically everyone and I feel that there's no purpose behind his posts.
hmm alright
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On August 27 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote:On August 27 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:03 Palmar wrote:
jat say "trfel is confirmed town" and maybe I'll back off. No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it. Hi mafia. I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole. I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading! Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad. what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town your trfel push is shit do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are. it's shit. i debunked it. move on reasons You haven't debunked anything and no, I won't give you any reasons. You will have to find something to talk about that's not me. Suck it. I am off. you fail to understand why i'm scumreading you and you also fail to note that i've been talking about plenty of things not you ^^ this looks more like a dodge to me than anything else enjoy your bday
can i get like a summary of what else you said.
not that I don't love reading all your posts but...it's easier if it just one place
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On August 27 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:25 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:24 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:19 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:15 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:10 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:09 Palmar wrote:On August 27 2015 02:05 justanothertownie wrote:
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No, you won't and I am sick of your trolling. Go do something useful. So far you only tunneled on a townie and acted like a total asshole about it. Hi mafia. I am not trolling. I am not being an asshole. I have also done fuckton else. I have an entire array of people I'm townreading! Yes, you are. There is no way you can seriously consider Trfel confirmed town. There is no way you would back off me for calling Trfel confirmed town. The only intention you have is making me mad. what you are doing is throwing a tantrum. i am even willing to remove my vote if that will allow you to be less tantrum-y, but throwing a tantrum and saying people are bad does not make you town your trfel push is shit do something that isn't. that's what i'm looking for. i've yet to see it Your push on me is shit. My Trfel point is still one of the best ones that have been brought up this game. But we already established that you are having a bad game if you are town and ftr I still kinda think you are. it's shit. i debunked it. move on reasons You haven't debunked anything and no, I won't give you any reasons. You will have to find something to talk about that's not me. Suck it. I am off. you fail to understand why i'm scumreading you and you also fail to note that i've been talking about plenty of things not you ^^ this looks more like a dodge to me than anything else enjoy your bday can i get like a summary of what else you said. not that I don't love reading all your posts but...it's easier if it just one place lol really >< on what? on everything? even things i've changed my mind about? caveat: jat, are you saying his posts are too clean as in constructed?
fine i'll go read it properly
i get off on cheesecakes posting , it actually makes sense when I read it
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On August 27 2015 02:31 rsoultin wrote:
lol ksc >< i'm fine with answering i just am not sure what you want? i'm trying to correct that "read you idiot" problem i have >>
well it's just my abiding memory of your posting was about JAT
and well..it's easy for points you make to get mixed in with the other words you type.
i found your list of reads so its ok.
you and wave still bros?
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On August 27 2015 02:35 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:31 rsoultin wrote:
lol ksc >< i'm fine with answering i just am not sure what you want? i'm trying to correct that "read you idiot" problem i have >> well it's just my abiding memory of your posting was about JAT and well..it's easy for points you make to get mixed in with the other words you type. i found your list of reads so its ok. you and wave still bros? i've got town feels on him but i'd have to glance back at what i scanned during lunch to remember why lol >< i think it's how he responded to the pressure + just sheepled without being all super!town about it wave seems insanely conscious how he looks when he's scum...even in gaiden he had a strangely good thumb on the pulse of thread sentiment while being basically afk...people outside the scum team may think it was just lazy but the calculation there was impressive to me
dude he literally said im not going to post and see how long i can get away with it =)
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On August 27 2015 02:36 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:36 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:35 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:31 rsoultin wrote:
lol ksc >< i'm fine with answering i just am not sure what you want? i'm trying to correct that "read you idiot" problem i have >> well it's just my abiding memory of your posting was about JAT and well..it's easy for points you make to get mixed in with the other words you type. i found your list of reads so its ok. you and wave still bros? i've got town feels on him but i'd have to glance back at what i scanned during lunch to remember why lol >< i think it's how he responded to the pressure + just sheepled without being all super!town about it wave seems insanely conscious how he looks when he's scum...even in gaiden he had a strangely good thumb on the pulse of thread sentiment while being basically afk...people outside the scum team may think it was just lazy but the calculation there was impressive to me dude he literally said im not going to post and see how long i can get away with it =) dude you got modkilled too early to know what i'm talking about lol ><
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On August 27 2015 02:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Where did deconduo go?
lol who gives a fuck
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On August 27 2015 02:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:36 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:35 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:32 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:31 rsoultin wrote:
lol ksc >< i'm fine with answering i just am not sure what you want? i'm trying to correct that "read you idiot" problem i have >> well it's just my abiding memory of your posting was about JAT and well..it's easy for points you make to get mixed in with the other words you type. i found your list of reads so its ok. you and wave still bros? i've got town feels on him but i'd have to glance back at what i scanned during lunch to remember why lol >< i think it's how he responded to the pressure + just sheepled without being all super!town about it wave seems insanely conscious how he looks when he's scum...even in gaiden he had a strangely good thumb on the pulse of thread sentiment while being basically afk...people outside the scum team may think it was just lazy but the calculation there was impressive to me dude he literally said im not going to post and see how long i can get away with it =) I mean to be fair that was for two reasons: 1) Meta change 2) I was going through a LOT of shit at the time and couldn't play the way I normally would even if I wanted to. I kept up with thread as best I could on my own time and did my best not to get modkilled until I could do more. It's pretty unlikely I would ever play like that again without a similarly damn good reason.
it's cool i'm not using meta or anything from that game
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On August 27 2015 02:39 rsoultin wrote:
like, if you're curious and care to reopen our scum qt
two moments stood out to me...one where he went shit shit i fucked up because he came back and his posts didn't make sense from town (he was questioning the scumreads on one of the largely scumread townies, i think the cop we auto-lynched)
and hard-bussing me to keep town happy and content. no he didn't do much but he clearly knew what he was doing
there's nothing calculated about sheeping the jat vote on no reasoning of his own lol >< and i don't see him doing that as scum
he did add additional reasoning though ..maybe im drunk
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On August 27 2015 02:42 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:40 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:39 rsoultin wrote:
like, if you're curious and care to reopen our scum qt
two moments stood out to me...one where he went shit shit i fucked up because he came back and his posts didn't make sense from town (he was questioning the scumreads on one of the largely scumread townies, i think the cop we auto-lynched)
and hard-bussing me to keep town happy and content. no he didn't do much but he clearly knew what he was doing
there's nothing calculated about sheeping the jat vote on no reasoning of his own lol >< and i don't see him doing that as scum he did add additional reasoning though ..maybe im drunk true :/ don't ask me to qualify my feels! it's like asking me to i dunnae...describe music or something i wouldn't even talk about it if you didn't ask cause lol it's not really that important presently
i don't know how i feel about wave/jat
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On August 27 2015 02:50 rsoultin wrote:
meh so like
the semi-townie thing on jat i dunnae actually was townie tbh
he's kind of a bully when he's caught as scum, in that he just flails around, and i'm not seeing anything particularly brilliant to make me think he's actually town here. did anyone else see something that would counter that impression?
ftr, what i expect from a jat is essentially
agreement sometimes with no elaboration, sometimes with an extra point that introduces a new perspective
or
disagreement and why that's fairly well-reasoned
instead i see a lot of flailing and a refusal to admit that his push on truffle isn't good or an attempt to revisit that section and see if he was wrong/prove that i'm wrong about the context of truffle's comment
basically for JAT, i saw the point he made about trefl, it wasn't a great point and i offered an explanation for it, but i don't think his rebuttal was too bad, then you gave another explanation for it and palmar went off on him. point is we have multiple explanations and trefl hasn't even come back to give the actual explanation so it's hard to make a read off it.
I was expecting JAT to come back and give reads on the game but it's been as you said, more of a tantrum than anything else.
the only interesting area was about wave I think and I think his reentry to the game has been a bit awkward
then moosy who I scumread decides to vote JAT despite being null on him, but i'm not sure if he is just incompetent town rather than scum.
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On August 27 2015 02:52 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:46 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:42 rsoultin wrote:On August 27 2015 02:40 KelsierSC wrote:On August 27 2015 02:39 rsoultin wrote:
like, if you're curious and care to reopen our scum qt
two moments stood out to me...one where he went shit shit i fucked up because he came back and his posts didn't make sense from town (he was questioning the scumreads on one of the largely scumread townies, i think the cop we auto-lynched)
and hard-bussing me to keep town happy and content. no he didn't do much but he clearly knew what he was doing
there's nothing calculated about sheeping the jat vote on no reasoning of his own lol >< and i don't see him doing that as scum he did add additional reasoning though ..maybe im drunk true :/ don't ask me to qualify my feels! it's like asking me to i dunnae...describe music or something i wouldn't even talk about it if you didn't ask cause lol it's not really that important presently i don't know how i feel about wave/jat ye i wouldn't use feels if they didn't work better than logics for me -_- they're irritating and especially hard to explain who does the ksc want to lynch right now? also, do you have a read on vivax? he's not coming off to me as nearly as townie as he was in storm and i'm not sure if that's because i was scum there and already knew he was town or what
among active players...i'd lynch moosy/wave
amongst the afk's i'd lynch bf or hopeless
i have no idea on vivax yet. he went from brain vomit to "not post as town to fix my meta" so needless to say it's a crapshoot for me at this point
i'd trust your judgement on him.
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On August 27 2015 02:56 rsoultin wrote:
i dunnae people seem to be scumreading moosy for things that i'd expect new players to get scumread for as town :/ i'm really not sold on that
yeh pretty much why i'm unsure
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