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The fact that people somehow still think I could be scum this game is either a testament to my incredible scumplay or there are a shit ton of bads in this game.
I'm thinking maybe both actually.
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On August 29 2015 05:58 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 05:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:52 rsoultin wrote:On August 29 2015 05:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 29 2015 05:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read. Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care. I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post. You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter. I go over a bunch of possibilities in my head. I initially read Palmar town for reading Rsoultin as town very early on just like I had. I figured he was town coming to a similar conclusion despite his reasons for it. Palmar could have been doing a fake push, and that read was mostly sarcastic (though I wish it were true). Palmar could totally be mafia for pushing onto JAT for bad reasons, but there is no way I can know that for sure. I think you're playing entirely onto how confident my posts sound tone-wise. Focusing on my read on Palmar is entirely nit-picky. I am clearly attempting to figure out this game, moreso than 90% of people. I still don't understand how you made this conclusion with any confidence, when the other option is that a mafiaPalmar simply townread rsoultin. Especially given your reasons were different. boggles my mind tbh Look. There were like 3 pages in the game. I'm reading. I think Rsoultin is town. One of Palmar's first post is that Rsoultin is 2% mafia, so I think "hey, we're on the same wavelength here, he might be town". You're acting as if I'm putting my 100% god faith in that Palmar is town because of this. I do not. It was one early game read that I felt comfortable jumping into the day with because it was true. Doesn't matter how illogical anyone else thinks it is, it was true. meh i ignored this the first time cause everyone who doesn't know me tends to either read me town (cause they're not aware of what i'm capable of) or can't comprehend my posts at all and call it shit posting. but maybe i shouldn't have. if you thought i was town so quickly, why would it be surprising to you for anyone else to, and why would that speak to their alignment at all? I figured mafia would not be so quick to claim that you were town. It would be pretty easy to interpret most of your posting as, so you say, shit-posting and being mafia indicative. After all, you just poked people with sticks and gave some meager reads. I read that as towny excitement. Mafia can easily skew that to be useless filler. I don't understand what the big deal is. Palmar came up with the same tentative conclusion I did early on about your alignment. Regardless of his reasons (which seemed OK), his train of thought seemed townie because it was similar to mine. so why didn't you see it as shit-posting?
This is a weird way of explaining your way around something.
Ringin' them bells.
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On August 29 2015 06:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 05:58 rsoultin wrote:On August 29 2015 05:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:52 rsoultin wrote:On August 29 2015 05:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 29 2015 05:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:
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Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care. I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post. You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter. I go over a bunch of possibilities in my head. I initially read Palmar town for reading Rsoultin as town very early on just like I had. I figured he was town coming to a similar conclusion despite his reasons for it. Palmar could have been doing a fake push, and that read was mostly sarcastic (though I wish it were true). Palmar could totally be mafia for pushing onto JAT for bad reasons, but there is no way I can know that for sure. I think you're playing entirely onto how confident my posts sound tone-wise. Focusing on my read on Palmar is entirely nit-picky. I am clearly attempting to figure out this game, moreso than 90% of people. I still don't understand how you made this conclusion with any confidence, when the other option is that a mafiaPalmar simply townread rsoultin. Especially given your reasons were different. boggles my mind tbh Look. There were like 3 pages in the game. I'm reading. I think Rsoultin is town. One of Palmar's first post is that Rsoultin is 2% mafia, so I think "hey, we're on the same wavelength here, he might be town". You're acting as if I'm putting my 100% god faith in that Palmar is town because of this. I do not. It was one early game read that I felt comfortable jumping into the day with because it was true. Doesn't matter how illogical anyone else thinks it is, it was true. meh i ignored this the first time cause everyone who doesn't know me tends to either read me town (cause they're not aware of what i'm capable of) or can't comprehend my posts at all and call it shit posting. but maybe i shouldn't have. if you thought i was town so quickly, why would it be surprising to you for anyone else to, and why would that speak to their alignment at all? I figured mafia would not be so quick to claim that you were town. It would be pretty easy to interpret most of your posting as, so you say, shit-posting and being mafia indicative. After all, you just poked people with sticks and gave some meager reads. I read that as towny excitement. Mafia can easily skew that to be useless filler. I don't understand what the big deal is. Palmar came up with the same tentative conclusion I did early on about your alignment. Regardless of his reasons (which seemed OK), his train of thought seemed townie because it was similar to mine. so why didn't you see it as shit-posting? i guess what i'm getting at here is you are basically saying that you consciously saw something that could be interpreted as either excitement or shit-posting, and simultaneously avoided the "this is shit-posting" pitfall not knowing me from adam while deciding that scum would push me for that, so anyone townreading me must be town? i just...don't get this line of thinking
yay rsoul
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On August 29 2015 06:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
These are all early day 1 reads, there is nothing concrete about them. I'm not saying that Rsoultin is absolutely town because she was excited at the beginning of the day. I'm not saying Palmar must be town because he townread Rsoultin early on. Jesus people, it's just how I interpreted the game early on to get a grasp on who was best to look at. If you don't like my reasoning for early reads when there are 5 pages in the game, I'm very sorry. I don't clean up my reads to look absolutely iron-clad logical from everyone's perspective. I have a unique point of view, and I may town/scum read people early for reasons that don't make complete sense to everyone. That's because I'm going with my gut as town, and gut-reads are typically just feelings. Not much else to go on early in the game.
Like, it's starting to get me angry that everyone is simultaneously scumreading me for "clean posts/TMI/to good to be town" while also stating that some of my thought processes are illogical. Those two can't go together, it's either one or the other. Because if I am adhering to my 2 yr old scum meta and having very clean posts, then I have very few flaws in my logic because I'm making up stuff that is believable. I'm town. I try to make what I'm thinking (no matter if it actually makes sense to you guys or not) visible, because I'm being truthful.
I'm clearly attempting to figure out the game through whatever avenues I can, and there is nothing more towny than that.
I have never scumread you for TMI/clean posts.
And the only thing I thought about your 2-year-old scum meta is that it is possible for you to be playing like this as either alignment.
I should also note that in your 2-year-old scum meta you also got VERY angry by the end of that game because despite trying very hard there was nothing you could do.
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On August 29 2015 06:10 KelsierSC wrote:
wave, forgive me for asking a question but can you explain your read on CC and how you arrived at it.
I have rehashed this so many times, I already know how this goes.
I explain my process, you find something in it you don't understand despite being incredibly obvious, you don't let it go, I get angry, I stop talking to you.
It is also STILL entirely possible to find my reads progression on CC without me even having to answer this if you would put forth the slightest modicum of effort.
Here I'll even explain how.
Open my filter, and Ctrl+F 'CC'
You can do it.
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On August 29 2015 06:20 KelsierSC wrote:
you ever consider that the reason I am asking you is because it isn't incredibly obvious and I want you to explain it.
It absolutely is because you are the only one pursuing it/who has a problem with it.
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Wow you actually called Trfel scum?
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On August 29 2015 06:51 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 06:51 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2015 06:48 rsoultin wrote:On August 29 2015 06:47 Trfel wrote:
Wait, you're scumreading me for exactly the reason I was worried about you???
That's really funny XD wait you're still hanging around not engaging with me??? that's really funny -_- I'm five pages behind. No sense discussing serious things with people when I'm five pages behind. And I don't feel like reading those five pages at this time, so deal with it. lovely coincidence boyo if you're scum you'd better shoot me ^^
Was nice knowing you 
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On August 29 2015 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On August 29 2015 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:On August 29 2015 06:43 rsoultin wrote:
so, ye, shitty lazy rsoul reads post incoming
strong town
marv - lock town (don't care about you wafflers)
town
vivax - tangentially aggressive/not his scum game
palmar - too similar d1 thoughts
wave - disorganized/not his scum game
town leans
ve - anger/aggression/frustration says town ve
jat - irritating but his play has the "jattyness" i didn't see earlier
ksc - scum game is worse than this
moosy - chaotic/tone says town
poe
condor - more likely scum if hopeless is town than if hopeless is scum? almost want to punt him up into town leans though
hopeless - could just be awful though
trfel - so...yeah. fuck this shit like...it feels like he's deliberately avoiding me in thread and i just came to the very uncomfortable conclusion that i'm actually more sure of at least 4 players than i am of him, which should never happen if he's town and actually playing
CC - gut scumread...there's a disconnect somewhere...i'll figure out what it is eventually
tldr:
condor could be town actually maybe
and i think truffle may actually be scum and i've just been stupid an entire day phase and jat's gonna end up crowing end game and i hate you jat -_- Quite a few surprises in here. Besides the obvious: What makes you think Wave is disorganized and why do you think he couldn't fake that as scum? How would you characterize Vivax scumgame? How can you say Kelsiers scumgame is worse than this when he just played a very good scumgame? - i think he could fake it as scum but he doesn't, and it feels like he's approached this game very naturally instead of with the purpose and deliberateness i'd expect and have seen in his scum games - vivax's scumgame is awful, boring, and not terribly aggressive (i.e. not this) - he didn't - I think you are overestimating WoS scumgame but fair enough. - I would argue he has been boring and not terribly aggressive for most of this game at least. - If you say so.
And that's why I keep winning :D :D :D
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On August 29 2015 06:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
good reads post rsoul, i liked it I think it is funny that she arrived at the EXACT same lynchpool I created yesterday (minus boxerfred obviously).
No 'cause I was in yours.
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Jeez looks like you guys had a miserable time.
VE props for trying as hard as you did I suppose. You fooled me anyway :D
That last minute decision to kill me lol
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Is it weird that I'd be way more demoralized to play this game as scum because of palmar than marv?
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On September 06 2015 10:05 Palmar wrote:meh it took me until day 3 to piece it together, but this was one of those games where it became a massacre after we figured out where to start. I'm actually kinda happy with myself for being good beyond day 1. Normally I fall off a cliff at that point. Well played the rest of you. @WoS what do you mean demoralized playing with me? I'm not _that_ much of a pain in the ass? 
Against.
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I was also in that group.
I voted with palmar then mostly ignored it and you called me scum for it.
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Whatever.
No problems being shot N1 two games in a row.
/brag
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