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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 03:17 GMT
#668
Half the Sky is hardcore RPing and yet doesn't seem to be using it as an excuse to not play the game.....maybe.
Would not lynch yet but her very last post I'm not a fan of. She could just be afk but I hate the 'why are you guys not voting' and disappearing. We'll see the followup.

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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 03:23 GMT
#671
I should consolidate better, sorry.
I'll do a few more in here I remember standing out.
VA your early marv was great but recent posting is terrible marv and terrible marv means scummarv. Are you scum, VA?
Tolkien is probably town, super-meta-read. Can't really elaborate much more 'cause again, feels, but I played a pretty recent game with him and it looks town.

Have to keep eyes on Obi/Judgejudy.
They're playing the same game even though it looks different---zero effort. JJ's game looks like effort 'cause big flashy posts and stuff but real easy to hide behind stuff, and the first thing of real substance with a read he decides to post? A cop-out of a minor case on me after Obi already voted. Actually come to think of it Obi might be town for voting for me first with weak/bad reasoning and that list. Obi is bad but not that bad.

I will admit could be bias 'cause I don't like it when people vote me for shit reasons but I'm on ruxxar today anyway so JJ can live for now.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 03:24 GMT
#672
On August 20 2015 12:19 ritoky wrote:
@wave: first, ruxx has the largest filter. i don't lynch the largest filter on day 1 cuz of statistics and policy saying it is no bueno. secondly, does the knowledge that ruxxar is a newer player change your opinion of him at all? and what do you make of his "unlynchable claims"? and appeals to me to defend him?

Why would any of that make him town?
Also consider that he has the largest filter because he spammed 3 pages pregame.
Also also consider that the 'filter' argument has been notably weaker in recent years with people like HF/rsoul/JAT (and a lesser extent me when I used to be spammy).
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 03:25 GMT
#673
On August 20 2015 12:21 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2015 12:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Half the Sky is hardcore RPing and yet doesn't seem to be using it as an excuse to not play the game.....maybe.
Would not lynch yet but her very last post I'm not a fan of. She could just be afk but I hate the 'why are you guys not voting' and disappearing. We'll see the followup.



She also hasn't followed up on this post...which i find atrocious.

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On August 19 2015 23:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Fidei, reads when you can.

Preferably sober.

(Also Fidei I will stick to heavy role mode because this is fun...but my reads should be clear enough even in character speak. I wont refuse to make an argument in my own words though if it does help others. And I know that if I need to step out of character if it's the difference in getting Mafia lynched, then of course.

If it wasn't obvious already the person I got has a very different playmate than me, but I'll still give my reads.)

What is atrocious about that post? Reads very HtS to me.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 03:32 GMT
#676
On August 20 2015 12:28 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2015 12:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 20 2015 12:21 ritoky wrote:
On August 20 2015 12:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Half the Sky is hardcore RPing and yet doesn't seem to be using it as an excuse to not play the game.....maybe.
Would not lynch yet but her very last post I'm not a fan of. She could just be afk but I hate the 'why are you guys not voting' and disappearing. We'll see the followup.



She also hasn't followed up on this post...which i find atrocious.

On August 19 2015 23:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Fidei, reads when you can.

Preferably sober.

(Also Fidei I will stick to heavy role mode because this is fun...but my reads should be clear enough even in character speak. I wont refuse to make an argument in my own words though if it does help others. And I know that if I need to step out of character if it's the difference in getting Mafia lynched, then of course.

If it wasn't obvious already the person I got has a very different playmate than me, but I'll still give my reads.)

What is atrocious about that post? Reads very HtS to me.


It is a prompt without intent, which is something I have begun to notice that mafia do to their partners frequently. But that aside, I don't like the 2nd half. I mentioned it before but it is a justification of the manner in which she is playing that was very out of place. No comments were directed at her, she wasn't really even part of the conversation but felt the compulsion to still justify it. My kid is crying in its crib, so something something extra words potentially mafia something something guilty conscience justification psychological explanation.

#dadsolidarity

Is HtS the kind of person to play scum like that? Because I don't think very many people would.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 03:38 GMT
#678
On August 20 2015 12:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On August 20 2015 11:58 ritoky wrote:
@FF: What do you make of fidei town reading breshke for questioning my method of RNG, but not mentioning it about you and subsequently scum reading you?

I think he has no idea how to claw his way out with such a bad start.

Like this read.
Townpile.

FF come kick my butt in SG!!
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 03:50 GMT
#685
On August 20 2015 12:40 JudgeJudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2015 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
the first thing of real substance with a read he decides to post? A cop-out of a minor case on me after Obi already voted.


[image loading]

Huh? Obi never voted for you.

Show nested quote +
On August 20 2015 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
I will admit could be bias 'cause I don't like it when people vote me for shit reasons


lol I attacked you for not following up on stuff rux said later on in the thread and for not posting reads, vote for you, and then you proceed to follow up on stuff rux said later on in the thread and then posted reads. How is that not a valid reason?

At least your rux post kinda makes sense after following your train of thought if he is saying what you are saying. I'm not actually sure he is calling you town there though. It's not really clear what he is saying at all to be honest.

@ruX what is your read on Wave?

geript read doesn't exactly bring anything new to the table and the others are kinda meh. How about reads on people like chez or Rels?

Might move my vote off you in the morning now that you're willing to play the game (assuming you don't disappear for the next 24 hours)

As a side note, I'm less worried about ritoky now that he is talking about other people.

You're right Obi didn't vote, he just threatened me.

As for your reasoning, on second glance it's a little better than I gave it credit for.
In any case as I said I'm not really after you today. The gifs are annoying though.

Reads on Chez and Rels...I've never seen Chez play a game for reals right from the start before. No idea how to read that.
Rels is barely playing, how to YOU read him?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 03:51 GMT
#686
On August 20 2015 12:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Hey I'm not bad.
>:|

Wave is now on my shitlist.

You called me bad first

SG is hella fun. Apparently the game it's closest to is Mahvel.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 03:53 GMT
#689
On August 20 2015 12:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2015 12:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
Do you like fast paced fighting games with bullshit combos and mixups?


Sounds rather Marvel-ish.
Is it mega-salt inducing?

I mean I figure just like any other game it certainly can be.
It's the first fighting game I've ever played semi-seriously and I'm really having fun with it.
FF I'm on come kick my ass
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 04:09 GMT
#697
FF scum for dodging me
On August 20 2015 13:03 geript wrote:
ATTENTION!!! If you aren't voting for for one of these people, then you're doing it wrong. Only people on the following list will be lynched on D1. Personally I have a preference for Rels, HtS, Chez, Yam or Kelsier. Overall, those are the strongest players and are effectively being completely useless. The fact that this list contains so many people is a major issue because that means no one cares about this game in general.
Rels
HtS
yamato
OWS
ritoky
VA
Ticktock
Tubesock
LT
Beneather
Kelsier
Chezinu

This really doesn't do anything. What was the point of this post?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 04:13 GMT
#701
On August 20 2015 13:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2015 13:08 geript wrote:
Sure. And ruxxar has the longest filter and has proven to say stupid shit as town. It's not a very high odds flip. He's a much better check than a lynch.


Okay I suppose.
I'll switch to Tube. I'm a bit more wait-and-see with yam because I'm still expecting him to deliver something towny.

I expect absolutely nothing from yamato.
Shoot him tonight.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 05:15 GMT
#719
On August 20 2015 14:03 Tictock wrote:
I'd also like to note that people (mostly looking at geript, but also rit and a few others) who are trying to associate role/personality with alignment are being retarded.

Just because you have identified the role/personality that someone received does not mean you've narrowed down their alignment just because of what alignment you THINK that personality SHOULD be associated with.

This is honestly as bad as trying to apply the meta of the personality somebody received to the person playing that personality in this game.

As such I disregard all reads based on these types of reasoning.

I do find it a bit interesting (though probably NAI) that both geript and rit believe that their personalities imply a scum role. Interesting for what that says about how they think of themselves.

lol on this note I bet whoever has me is scum and is lurking because they don't know what else I'm capable of.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 05:22 GMT
#721
On August 20 2015 14:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Read through WoS' filter. Pretty sure he's town.

And I have to go to work. I'll look through more stuff during lunchtime. I'd say at this point top three lynches for me at this point are ruXxar, Lord, Tubesock.

I'd be fine to compromise on Yamato, and as stated, Beneather is pure policy.

Why is yamato not policy but beneather is?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 11:43 GMT
#798
On August 20 2015 16:12 Tictock wrote:
So when I was looking at Fidei earlier I couldn't help but notice one of his pregame posts and something he said in his defense.

Show nested quote +
On August 20 2015 07:21 Fidei86 wrote:
(8) I want to briefly address whether or not Ritoky would pretend to RNG me. I've played with Ritoky twice, but the second (himalayas) doesn't count because I was terrible town in that game until way after he got NKed. But in the first game, which was my first game too, basically I made all sorts of stupid newbie posts and mistakes and ritoky was scum softing me until he got NKed n1. I also said after himalayas that I really struggled because the game was big (although there was much much much more spam in tha game). This game is also big. So I think it's reasonable that he might have tagged me early as easy mis-lynch bait. The fact that I played into his hands with a pretty misguided thread entry only goes to show that he might have been onto something. But ... meh. It's hard for me to judge because he's going after me, so it's difficult to be totally objective. Anyone who was in Holy Guardians (VE, Damdred, TickTock) are better judges of this than me.

From Pregame:
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On August 13 2015 17:41 Fidei86 wrote:
I'm going to stay in this game, even though it's bigger than I'd like, and will rely upon rolling masons with HTS or some shit to keep me sane through D3.


So yea, this is very possible. Obviously this lead me to reading ritoky's filter from the perspective of him being scum pushing the RNG thing as a cover to push someone he thinks will be an easy mislynch.

At first it looks promising as it was all rit wanted to talk about in the first half of D1 and even now that I see rit talking about more than his RNG push he isn't really sharing any reads.

However I did feel that this defense of the RNG push was pretty decent.
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2015 13:41 ritoky wrote:
On August 19 2015 13:20 Breshke wrote:
On August 19 2015 13:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:41 Breshke wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:
I don't think ritoky actually RNG'd fidel


He probably did.


On August 19 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
Clearly what needs to happen this game is that we need to follow the most surefire way to lynch mafia and win games, and that is to follow the RNG lynch.

Here's how it works:

1) you will all follow me because i am better than you.

2) i will choose who we lynch every phase via RNG, then we will lynch him without question. the RNG will be determined by this post (the one you're reading right now). each post is assigned a unique id on team liquid which cannot be manipulated because of the rate of posts on TL; this makes it the perfect candidate for determining people via RNG. then from that post id i will use the following formula to determine whom is the candidate for lynch:

(sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity

this formula will provide a number from 1 to 21, we will lynch the player it determines without hesitation or questioning. no possible explanation or reasoning could convince me that RNG lynching is in any way sub-optimal play. please bow before the RNG and watch it carry us to victory.


I don't think so given this explanation

I at first thought this was really scummy because if he was town why the fuck does he make this bullshit crap reason up to explain his "RNG" and not just be like yeah i used random.org

But it makes sense in a world where he is trying to be BH and trying to be idk the word long winded? and he couldn't remember the way/couldnt be bothered doing it the way BH does it.

So he is either a fucking shitter or scum

Not to say his following read on fidel is bad but I don't wanna talk about that until fidel has been around some more


Bh makes longish arguments backing his rng lynches all the time.
Totally normal.


That's why i was saying it makes sense if that is in fact what he was doing

On August 19 2015 13:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:50 Breshke wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:46 JudgeJudy wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:41 Breshke wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:
I don't think ritoky actually RNG'd fidel


He probably did.


On August 19 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
Clearly what needs to happen this game is that we need to follow the most surefire way to lynch mafia and win games, and that is to follow the RNG lynch.

Here's how it works:

1) you will all follow me because i am better than you.

2) i will choose who we lynch every phase via RNG, then we will lynch him without question. the RNG will be determined by this post (the one you're reading right now). each post is assigned a unique id on team liquid which cannot be manipulated because of the rate of posts on TL; this makes it the perfect candidate for determining people via RNG. then from that post id i will use the following formula to determine whom is the candidate for lynch:

(sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity

this formula will provide a number from 1 to 21, we will lynch the player it determines without hesitation or questioning. no possible explanation or reasoning could convince me that RNG lynching is in any way sub-optimal play. please bow before the RNG and watch it carry us to victory.


I don't think so given this explanation


[image loading]

That doesn't make sense. If you say he didn't RNG fidel, that would mean he had a reason to single out fidel. Fidel had no posts at the point where he claimed to have RNG'd him. So what would be the selection criteria? Are you saying he selected a weak player to go after or something? Your reasoning doesn't seem fluid/natural which is scummy.


Explain to me how given this formula

(sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity

ritoky can RNG a number between 1 and 21. When the "coefficient of the thread's stupidity" would have to be a number chosen by himself as he couldn't put fucking infinity into this becouse that wouldnt give him a number between 1 and 21.

SO YES I AM SAYING HE LIED ABOUT HOW HE RNG'D OR HE SPECIFICALLY CHOSE FIDEL.

Do i have a reason why he chose fidel? No. But from what he has said i don't see how he could have rng'd him. What do you fail to understand here


Bh used the exact same algorithm or whatever in FF.


Is FF fantasy football mafia? Because this is BH's explanation of his RNG lynch.

For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.

The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-14 by taking that number mod 14. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 13 mod 14 = 13. 14 mod 14 = 0. 18 mod 14 = 4. 19 mod 14 = 5. and so on.

Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 14. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST.


This is not what ritoky did.


The methods you have outlined here are clearly outdated and old fashioned. We have a database that compiles statistics and choosing not to compile those statistical tendencies into your RNG formula is very poor judgment, irresponsible, and poo pooing on those who work so hard to compile said statistics. Although it is a secret formula, I will share it with you.

People are stupid when they lose, thus the coefficient of the thread's stupidity is: the inverse of the average of all players' winrates. or 1/[(sum of players winrates)/(total players)]. Plugging this value into the equation gives you 4.114, which I have rounded based on standard mathematical practices to 4.

+ Show Spoiler +
it's called parody


It makes sense, it's cleaver and it fits with the overall theme of the game. Honestly this sounds a ton more likely than a scum!ritoky seeing Fidei's pregame post and deciding to push him with RNG.

The fact of the matter is rit only claimed something more than RNG after Fidei entered the game, and did so in a fashion that made himself look bad. Thus I find myself still thinking the case rit made is fairly sexy, though I do question his math a bit.

30% is generouse and I find it pretty unlikely that we have more than 5 mafia, it is possible though to have 6 if there are roles to keep thing balanced. So real chance of a RNG lynch this game to hit mafia is somewhere between 25 and 30%

To be fair I don't have any real strong scum reads atm. I think the case on Fidei outside of RNG is good. I have my own thinking telling me Damdred might be scum. Ruxx is super null with only a twinge of scum lean, mostly because I almost feel like he's hiding behind his role more than having fun with it but I can't really read ruxx for shit so idk. This one I hate myself for even thinking about + Show Spoiler +
I told ruxx he was stupid for this, but geript really has been indirectly calling himself scum. Call it a projection read.
.

Other than that I just think it's weird LT says he wants to sheep HtS and Rels is really weird so far too. It's hard to tell where the role play begins and ends which is making this a interesting challenge to read people.

For now I'm gunna sheep the RNG I guess.

##Vote: Fidei

In the middle of catching up and good lord is this a terrible post.
Might switch later.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 11:45 GMT
#800
On August 20 2015 17:39 Rels wrote:
fidei + tubesock scumteam
only meaningful posts from tubesock comes from discussion with fidei
tubesocks does nothing except naming some townreads and defending from fidei, goes to sleep
then fidei townreads him

Might be wrong but love his thinking.
Town pile
Tube sock comes off worse looking than fidei imo
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 17:11 GMT
#866
On August 21 2015 02:08 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2015 01:50 yamato77 wrote:
I have a read. I think Geript is mafia.

Why do you even join games because you 'play' like this?

He's probably still mad from dooters.
It's OK yamato I'm here for you.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 18:31 GMT
#900
On August 21 2015 02:26 geript wrote:
Basically, we should be lynching one of VA, Yamato, Kelsier or Chezinu. All of them know about the game. All of them have posted. None of them care to do anything or in any way help lynch actual scum. Like these votes for ruxxar who has the longest fucking filter are pretty fucking egregious when we have dickheals like these 4 who choose not to play. Lynch them. Shoot them. Tell them to go fuck themselves.

Cmon bby.
You know as well as I do that that's not particularly effective.

The fact that you think ruxxar shouldn't be lynched based on filter, even though half of that filter is pregame spam is what's egregious.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 19:02 GMT
#929
Chez actually could be a solid lynch today.
I'm not lynching lurk for the sake of lynching lurk, bby. I know how you feel about it and you know how I feel as well but it's often just not productive.

Can you look at Tubesock/Tictock for me real quick?
Specifically there was that one post I picked out when catching up of Tictoc's that just stuck out like a sore thumb. I think Rels picked up on it as well.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 19:03 GMT
#930
On August 21 2015 03:52 Lord Tolkien wrote:
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On August 21 2015 03:50 Half the Sky wrote:
On August 21 2015 03:49 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On August 21 2015 03:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
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By the way I was thinking about it and if Lord Tolkien is FecalFeast, I am fairly vocal about my preference toward scum


I too am liking fidei more and more, still voting yamato until he does something I like.

1) Finally, someone figured it out. Now I can stop RPing and/or shitposting.

2) I am not, however, scum. So nyaaaaah. This is the same line of reasoning that I called out for being retarded when geript says: there's like an 80% chance that a Blazinghand role is scum". Role speculation based on flavor is bad and should make you feel bad.

For instance,
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia#3

Hearthstone Mafia. Tirion Fordring as a scum role? Kelthuzad and Rexxar as a town role? lel.


On #2, then who is?

It could be fucking anyone. Just stop relying on role meta to try and figure it out.

I'm actually putting on my serious face, so I'll be back in 1hr do to #townthings.

I hope they're better than the last time you tried to do #townthings lululululul
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 20 2015 19:07 GMT
#933
This one.
On August 20 2015 20:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On August 20 2015 16:12 Tictock wrote:
So when I was looking at Fidei earlier I couldn't help but notice one of his pregame posts and something he said in his defense.

On August 20 2015 07:21 Fidei86 wrote:
(8) I want to briefly address whether or not Ritoky would pretend to RNG me. I've played with Ritoky twice, but the second (himalayas) doesn't count because I was terrible town in that game until way after he got NKed. But in the first game, which was my first game too, basically I made all sorts of stupid newbie posts and mistakes and ritoky was scum softing me until he got NKed n1. I also said after himalayas that I really struggled because the game was big (although there was much much much more spam in tha game). This game is also big. So I think it's reasonable that he might have tagged me early as easy mis-lynch bait. The fact that I played into his hands with a pretty misguided thread entry only goes to show that he might have been onto something. But ... meh. It's hard for me to judge because he's going after me, so it's difficult to be totally objective. Anyone who was in Holy Guardians (VE, Damdred, TickTock) are better judges of this than me.

From Pregame:
On August 13 2015 17:41 Fidei86 wrote:
I'm going to stay in this game, even though it's bigger than I'd like, and will rely upon rolling masons with HTS or some shit to keep me sane through D3.


So yea, this is very possible. Obviously this lead me to reading ritoky's filter from the perspective of him being scum pushing the RNG thing as a cover to push someone he thinks will be an easy mislynch.

At first it looks promising as it was all rit wanted to talk about in the first half of D1 and even now that I see rit talking about more than his RNG push he isn't really sharing any reads.

However I did feel that this defense of the RNG push was pretty decent.
On August 19 2015 13:41 ritoky wrote:
On August 19 2015 13:20 Breshke wrote:
On August 19 2015 13:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:41 Breshke wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:
I don't think ritoky actually RNG'd fidel


He probably did.


On August 19 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
Clearly what needs to happen this game is that we need to follow the most surefire way to lynch mafia and win games, and that is to follow the RNG lynch.

Here's how it works:

1) you will all follow me because i am better than you.

2) i will choose who we lynch every phase via RNG, then we will lynch him without question. the RNG will be determined by this post (the one you're reading right now). each post is assigned a unique id on team liquid which cannot be manipulated because of the rate of posts on TL; this makes it the perfect candidate for determining people via RNG. then from that post id i will use the following formula to determine whom is the candidate for lynch:

(sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity

this formula will provide a number from 1 to 21, we will lynch the player it determines without hesitation or questioning. no possible explanation or reasoning could convince me that RNG lynching is in any way sub-optimal play. please bow before the RNG and watch it carry us to victory.


I don't think so given this explanation

I at first thought this was really scummy because if he was town why the fuck does he make this bullshit crap reason up to explain his "RNG" and not just be like yeah i used random.org

But it makes sense in a world where he is trying to be BH and trying to be idk the word long winded? and he couldn't remember the way/couldnt be bothered doing it the way BH does it.

So he is either a fucking shitter or scum

Not to say his following read on fidel is bad but I don't wanna talk about that until fidel has been around some more


Bh makes longish arguments backing his rng lynches all the time.
Totally normal.


That's why i was saying it makes sense if that is in fact what he was doing

On August 19 2015 13:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:50 Breshke wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:46 JudgeJudy wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:41 Breshke wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On August 19 2015 12:12 Breshke wrote:
I don't think ritoky actually RNG'd fidel


He probably did.


On August 19 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
Clearly what needs to happen this game is that we need to follow the most surefire way to lynch mafia and win games, and that is to follow the RNG lynch.

Here's how it works:

1) you will all follow me because i am better than you.

2) i will choose who we lynch every phase via RNG, then we will lynch him without question. the RNG will be determined by this post (the one you're reading right now). each post is assigned a unique id on team liquid which cannot be manipulated because of the rate of posts on TL; this makes it the perfect candidate for determining people via RNG. then from that post id i will use the following formula to determine whom is the candidate for lynch:

(sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity

this formula will provide a number from 1 to 21, we will lynch the player it determines without hesitation or questioning. no possible explanation or reasoning could convince me that RNG lynching is in any way sub-optimal play. please bow before the RNG and watch it carry us to victory.


I don't think so given this explanation


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That doesn't make sense. If you say he didn't RNG fidel, that would mean he had a reason to single out fidel. Fidel had no posts at the point where he claimed to have RNG'd him. So what would be the selection criteria? Are you saying he selected a weak player to go after or something? Your reasoning doesn't seem fluid/natural which is scummy.


Explain to me how given this formula

(sum of each individual digit in the post id [ex: 1111 = 4]) / 21 [number of players alive in game] * coefficient of the thread's stupidity

ritoky can RNG a number between 1 and 21. When the "coefficient of the thread's stupidity" would have to be a number chosen by himself as he couldn't put fucking infinity into this becouse that wouldnt give him a number between 1 and 21.

SO YES I AM SAYING HE LIED ABOUT HOW HE RNG'D OR HE SPECIFICALLY CHOSE FIDEL.

Do i have a reason why he chose fidel? No. But from what he has said i don't see how he could have rng'd him. What do you fail to understand here


Bh used the exact same algorithm or whatever in FF.


Is FF fantasy football mafia? Because this is BH's explanation of his RNG lynch.

For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.

The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-14 by taking that number mod 14. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 13 mod 14 = 13. 14 mod 14 = 0. 18 mod 14 = 4. 19 mod 14 = 5. and so on.

Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 14. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST.


This is not what ritoky did.


The methods you have outlined here are clearly outdated and old fashioned. We have a database that compiles statistics and choosing not to compile those statistical tendencies into your RNG formula is very poor judgment, irresponsible, and poo pooing on those who work so hard to compile said statistics. Although it is a secret formula, I will share it with you.

People are stupid when they lose, thus the coefficient of the thread's stupidity is: the inverse of the average of all players' winrates. or 1/[(sum of players winrates)/(total players)]. Plugging this value into the equation gives you 4.114, which I have rounded based on standard mathematical practices to 4.

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it's called parody


It makes sense, it's cleaver and it fits with the overall theme of the game. Honestly this sounds a ton more likely than a scum!ritoky seeing Fidei's pregame post and deciding to push him with RNG.

The fact of the matter is rit only claimed something more than RNG after Fidei entered the game, and did so in a fashion that made himself look bad. Thus I find myself still thinking the case rit made is fairly sexy, though I do question his math a bit.

30% is generouse and I find it pretty unlikely that we have more than 5 mafia, it is possible though to have 6 if there are roles to keep thing balanced. So real chance of a RNG lynch this game to hit mafia is somewhere between 25 and 30%

To be fair I don't have any real strong scum reads atm. I think the case on Fidei outside of RNG is good. I have my own thinking telling me Damdred might be scum. Ruxx is super null with only a twinge of scum lean, mostly because I almost feel like he's hiding behind his role more than having fun with it but I can't really read ruxx for shit so idk. This one I hate myself for even thinking about + Show Spoiler +
I told ruxx he was stupid for this, but geript really has been indirectly calling himself scum. Call it a projection read.
.

Other than that I just think it's weird LT says he wants to sheep HtS and Rels is really weird so far too. It's hard to tell where the role play begins and ends which is making this a interesting challenge to read people.

For now I'm gunna sheep the RNG I guess.

##Vote: Fidei

In the middle of catching up and good lord is this a terrible post.
Might switch later.
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